Wonder what Morrigan will have to say about the Warden.
Morrigan Research, Discussion, and Speculation Thread - The Chasind Have Tales of We Witches
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:15
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:52
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Wonder what happened to a Warden who went through the Elluvian with her.
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:54
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Wonder what Morrigan will have to say about the Warden.
she will just say he/she doesnt talk much
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 07:00
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@KC_Prototype: Yeah, I'm just dying to know what her role will be in Inquisition. Is she going to function like one of the advisers, offering counsel to the Inquisitor and accompanying him or her on the occasional mission? Bioware has already said that there are only three advisers (Cullen, Scribbles, and Leliana), so she must have a slightly different role to play. I'm also curious about where she will reside in the game. Will she accompany us to Skyhold and live there? And what about the other companions? Will they have their own quarters in our Keep? Morrigan's relationship with Leliana is going to be strained, to say the least, in my playthrough. She and my Warden killed her (or at least attempted to) in the ruined temple of Andraste. 
@Caladin: David Gaider is writing for Morrigan this time around, just like he did in Origins, so the quality should be there. I just hope that he doesn't force us to kill Morrigan or send her on a suicide mission. He does like his "bitter-sweet" endings. If that happens, I'll just drop the game and stop playing.
@Wolfen09: Regarding the OGB - yeah, I was a bit disappointed when I found out that he wasn't going to be mandatory canon. I feel like Bioware missed a great opportunity there. Reminds me of when (spoilers) Battlestar Galactica was coming to an end. All of the fans had these fanciful theories about the final Cylon, Daniel, being Starbuck's father ... that he was the pianist who kept appearing to Thrace, and that he was going to come back and lead this war against Cavil. Man were we wrong. Ronald Moore actually had to intervene and cut the speculation off at one point because the fans were getting so carried away. (end of Battlestar non sequitur). I'm still hoping that the OGB can play a significant role in Inquisition or future games, maybe as a puppet master like figure? Kind of pulling the strings behind the scene? Who knows. It seems hard to believe that Morrigan would bother doing the Dark Ritual if she didn't have some grand plan in mind for the child. So many questions. What is her motivation? Is she a devotee of the Old Gods? Perhaps trying to fascilitate their return to Thedas. We know that she is a vocal critic of the Chantry. Was it just a powergrab to protect herself from Flemeth? For some reason, I think not.
All we really know is that she is sick of the status quo and wants change. Whether that's bringing the Old Gods back, untainted, and getting rid of Andrastianism, or toppling the Chantry and freeing the mages, who knows.
@Gearwarden: I'm hoping he might actually make a cameo appearance. Mike Laidlaw said that it is a "non-zero," which I assume to mean still within the realm of possibility?
@SgtSteel91: I've hearrd a lot of people saying, "Oh, surely the Warden would have succumb to the effects of the Taint by now," but I don't necessarily think that's the case. I still believe Avernus' chemical concoction has the potential to reverse the effects of the Taint, and if the Warden ingests it (which you are given the option in the DLC), it's possible he could still be alive. Plus he was pretty young in Origins. In his 20s I'd say? Blackwall is still trugging along, and that guy looks like he is approaching his mid-forties.
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 09:40
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While I agree with your sentiment - for me Morrigan is one of Bioware's best characters ever as well, and the best in DA by far - the writing was not always good. For instance, her survivalist attitude sometimes came across as almost gratuitously evil. Not often, but that came across as very odd considering that whatever else she is, she's certainly not stupid.For me personally she the best character in the entire DA series, everything from her VA to her one liners are great, again for me this is the model of a nigh perfect character in a bioware game an ive yet to see anything of her standard since, be great to see her in DA:I if just to have a wee chin wag about what she been upto an she alone is the reason i stick my middle finger up at all those who dont want to see the warden back because i sure as hell do an with her'
Out of all the characters revealed for DA:I she an only she has perked my interest, the rest pale in comparison, i just hope the writing of her is just as good if not better as DA:O if she playing a major role
What I like is that she wasn't twisted by so-called "character development" in the end, and she stayed mysterious and followed her own plans even while acknowledging that she liked/loved the Warden. The end of the romance arc (pre Witch Hunt) Witch hunt worked perfectly with me, since I thought if she had stayed, she wouldn't have been the woman my Warden loved, and the end of Witch Hunt worked perfecty as well, with the only downside that I couldn't express curiosity as my motivation to go with her.
I wonder if we'll get any information about what happened with her and the Warden who followed her through the Eluvian.
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 11:49
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While I agree with your sentiment - for me Morrigan is one of Bioware's best characters ever as well, and the best in DA by far - the writing was not always good. For instance, her survivalist attitude sometimes came across as almost gratuitously evil. Not often, but that came across as very odd considering that whatever else she is, she's certainly not stupid.
What I like is that she wasn't twisted by so-called "character development" in the end, and she stayed mysterious and followed her own plans even while acknowledging that she liked/loved the Warden. The end of the romance arc (pre Witch Hunt) Witch hunt worked perfectly with me, since I thought if she had stayed, she wouldn't have been the woman my Warden loved, and the end of Witch Hunt worked perfecty as well, with the only downside that I couldn't express curiosity as my motivation to go with her.
I wonder if we'll get any information about what happened with her and the Warden who followed her through the Eluvian.
I'm prob pinning to much hope on this keep thing than anything else tbh, im hoping giving the choices you do in the keep reflects heavily in-game and in some way dictates the personality of the ppl from previous games, like if you romanced morrigan/had a child an followed her through the mirror, i think you should see a different morrigan from one who was say told to leave the party or was stabbed, for me there is a possibility of 3 different morrigans showing up, the one who wee meet in the kokari wilds, the woman who went on to fall in love an have a child an one who could be well not exactly a nice person lol
To say the encounter will be interesting regardless is to say the least, i just really hope bioware are upto all the different variables that exist even outside ppls headcannons, i just hope they dont choose the easy route of "meh child or not,stabbed or not lets just do Morrigan DA:O2" cause if we encounter a morrigan who is basically just the same regardless of what you import/choose i think that would disappoint me more than if they tried an i never liked the attempt.
Basically i can accept if they tried an i never liked the attempt more than if they never attempted anything
Progression an Development i guess are the things i love most, even if they totally conflict with my ideas i love them, if i wanted something to conform to everything i think should be, heck i shouldnt play anyone elses games i guess lol, so regardless of it all i will enjoy the encounter and dialogue that ensues
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:12
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Oh dear, didn't notice that my Morrigan thread got closed until today. Well it hadn't been active for awhile, and I am glad that someone decided to create a new one. Hopefully this thread will stay active this time around 
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 10:49
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Oh dear, didn't notice that my Morrigan thread got closed until today. Well it hadn't been active for awhile, and I am glad that someone decided to create a new one. Hopefully this thread will stay active this time around
I'm sorry Jerome! I created this thread before I realized that yours existed. I asked the moderator to merge them, but he decided to shut the other one down because it was inactive.
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 11:32
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@SgtSteel91: I've hearrd a lot of people saying, "Oh, surely the Warden would have succumb to the effects of the Taint by now," but I don't necessarily think that's the case. I still believe Avernus' chemical concoction has the potential to reverse the effects of the Taint, and if the Warden ingests it (which you are given the option in the DLC), it's possible he could still be alive. Plus he was pretty young in Origins. In his 20s I'd say? Blackwall is still trugging along, and that guy looks like he is approaching his mid-forties.
The writing supports 20 +/-2, I'd say, but more importantly, his Joining was only ten years ago, so he (as well as Alistair et al.) should still have a decade or three left to live.
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Posté 25 juin 2014 - 06:48
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How do you all think the various states of Morrigan are going to be acknowledged in Inquisition?
I find it hard to believe that if the Warden elected to stab her at the end of Witch Hunt, she isn't going to be a little bit bitter about that. I've heard people boasting about how they "killed her" at the end of the DLC ... but I think that would just come back to bite you. If you chose that route, I imagine Morrigan sulking in that place beyond the Fade for several years, hatching a plan to get back at the Warden who denied her a child and tried to kill her.
Even though my main playthrough will assume that the Warden performed the Dark Ritual and went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, it would be interesting to see the various permutations of her character.
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Posté 25 juin 2014 - 08:10
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How do you all think the various states of Morrigan are going to be acknowledged in Inquisition?
I find it hard to believe that if the Warden elected to stab her at the end of Witch Hunt, she isn't going to be a little bit bitter about that. I've heard people boasting about how they "killed her" at the end of the DLC ... but I think that would just come back to bite you. If you chose that route, I imagine Morrigan sulking in that place beyond the Fade for several years, hatching a plan to get back at the Warden who denied her a child and tried to kill her.
Even though my main playthrough will assume that the Warden performed the Dark Ritual and went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, it would be interesting to see the various permutations of her character.
Yeah, that's what intrigues me the most. The Gameinformer article suggested that there would be some impact, but who knows. A successfully romanced Morrigan should have a slightly different outlook at life, since even she would have to accept that there was an exception to her Social Darwinism.
The same can be said of a befriended Morrigan. In fact, I found the friendship path even more meaningful than the romance and a highlight of her character (didn't people complain about instances like ME2, where dialogue with the companions ended abruptly if the romance wasn't pursued?). Being good friends should count for something in Inquisition too.
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Posté 25 juin 2014 - 08:40
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Hope we'll at least see her wearing a ring if the Warden romanced her
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Posté 25 juin 2014 - 09:34
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I'm interested to see how she interacts with our companions like Cole and Vivi. One of the trailers pretty much confirmed that we are going to meet her in some way. Where do you think she, Cullen, and the Inquisitor are at anyway? Isn't she supposed to be teaching the Empress dark magic?
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Posté 25 juin 2014 - 09:40
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I'm interested to see how she interacts with our companions like Cole and Vivi. One of the trailers pretty much confirmed that we are going to meet her in some way. Where do you think she, Cullen, and the Inquisitor are at anyway? Isn't she supposed to be teaching the Empress dark magic?
I'm not sure where we are going to encounter Morrigan first, but I have a feeling it will be in Orlais. From what I have read, Vivienne apparently invites the Inquisitor and his associates to a ball at Halamshiral in order to get in his or her good graces. It's very possible that Morrigan will be there, since Empress Celene has a winter palace there, and she is currently serving as the Arcane Adviser.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 02:45
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I'm interested to see how she interacts with our companions like Cole and Vivi. One of the trailers pretty much confirmed that we are going to meet her in some way. Where do you think she, Cullen, and the Inquisitor are at anyway? Isn't she supposed to be teaching the Empress dark magic?
oh i bet she will down right detest cole
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 03:42
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oh i bet she will down right detest cole
That wouldn't be too surprising, given that she generally dislikes just about everyone.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 04:21
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I'm not sure where we are going to encounter Morrigan first, but I have a feeling it will be in Orlais. From what I have read, Vivienne apparently invites the Inquisitor and his associates to a ball at Halamshiral in order to get in his or her good graces. It's very possible that Morrigan will be there, since Empress Celene has a winter palace there, and she is currently serving as the Arcane Adviser.
Assuming, for the sake of discussion, that she is a recruitable companion, do you think it would be a choice between her or Vivi?
oh i bet she will down right detest cole
Aw, I hope not. It would be really fun to see her dote on everybodies favourite and most adorable serial killer from the Fade!
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 04:31
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oh i bet she will down right detest cole
Given that her mother is a pseudo abomination / god / thing I doubt Cole being a Spirit would be all that impressive to her. She might not like Cole (since he is apparently a goody-two-shoes), but I doubt she would muster the interest to actually detest Cole. She'll probably 'nothing' him. Isn't that special.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 07:40
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Morrigan, You killed Leliana? WHY! But anyway, I think Morrigan joins the Inquisition to further her plans and I guess she resides with the rest of us at the Skyhold(Here's hoping!) and I',m sure we all get our own personal rooms in the Skyhold.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 10:23
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Given that her mother is a pseudo abomination / god / thing I doubt Cole being a Spirit would be all that impressive to her. She might not like Cole (since he is apparently a goody-two-shoes), but I doubt she would muster the interest to actually detest Cole. She'll probably 'nothing' him. Isn't that special.
I agree.
Morrigan: "Kid, my mother is an abomination and I gave birth to an old god baby. You'll need to do more to impress me".
I can even see her being disappointed with a spirit/demon trying to learn human values such as mercy or generosity. It's really the end of the world as we know it when you can't even trust a demon to be sefishly chaotic evil.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 12:55
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I just realized that with Cole being a fade spirit/demon and being able to manifest this body and develop human mortality just strengthens Morrigan's claim of Flemeth not truly being human. Maybe Flemeth was a fade entity that brought herself into the material world. She certainly seems to know a great deal and she refers to bodies as "limited things". I even heard claims that Flemeth was the Formless One. If so that would kind of explain a lot. The fact that she seemingly is able to tell what others are thinking as well as saying and doing things at the right place at the right time such as saving the warden and Allistar. Maybe Morrigan found out what she truly is and that is why she is trying to stop Flemeth. If Flemeth is anything like Cole maybe she is planning something that she thinks needs to happen like Cole when he was killing people. Just a thought.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 01:21
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I agree.
Morrigan: "Kid, my mother is an abomination and I gave birth to an old god baby. You'll need to do more to impress me".
I can even see her being disappointed with a spirit/demon trying to learn human values such as mercy or generosity. It's really the end of the world as we know it when you can't even trust a demon to be sefishly chaotic evil.
Yep, my thoughts exactly.
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Posté 26 juin 2014 - 11:13
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We saw in the E3 trailer that Morrigan is alongside and interacts with the Inquisition military leader Cullen. So she would have interactions with the rest of the Inquisition. I wonder if and how Morrigan and Leliana would interact. If they would be on good or bad terms. Would they go shopping together? That banter of Leliana wanting Morrigan in a dress is my favorite banter in the series so far. I also wonder how Morrigan having the romance and OGB in Origins will impact her and her interactions with others. I think Morrigan and Leliana together will be kind of like in this image.
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Posté 27 juin 2014 - 12:04
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Morrigan is too proud of her cleavage to ever cross her arms...We saw in the E3 trailer that Morrigan is alongside and interacts with the Inquisition military leader Cullen. So she would have interactions with the rest of the Inquisition. I wonder if and how Morrigan and Leliana would interact. If they would be on good or bad terms. Would they go shopping together? That banter of Leliana wanting Morrigan in a dress is my favorite banter in the series so far. I also wonder how Morrigan having the romance and OGB in Origins will impact her and her interactions with others. I think Morrigan and Leliana together will be kind of like in this image.
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Posté 27 juin 2014 - 12:05
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I also wonder how Morrigan having the romance and OGB in Origins will impact her and her interactions with others. I think Morrigan and Leliana together will be kind of like in this image.
I imagine it would be awkward between them especially if the warden romanced Leliana and had an OGB with Morrigan
Leliana: So Morrigan how has it been not having the warden around?
Morrigan:Your seriously asking me this?
Leliana:Well he did choose me over you. I was just making sure you weren't still upset.
Morrigan:You think you won? Why it would seem that considering he was willing to do the ritual with me instead of having Allistar do it for him I think he may not care for you as much as you think. Also I have his child so I think it is clear who really won.
Leliana:You are so cruel.
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