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[Sifr]

She hids the fact Kieran is her son. For what I understands, she presents him as an kid she is taking care of for someone else. So Morrigan would very likely hid the fact her lover is the greastest hero of this generation. Imagine the fuss it would cause if the HoF went to the ball. I'm sure he must be an celebrity even out of Ferelden.

 

Yeah, Morrigan does enjoy attention but she's not one to draw it unnecessarily if she can help it?

 

It wouldn't serve her goals to have too many people in Celene's court aware of her presence, especially the scrutiny she'd be under if her knowledge of her ties to - or any kind of relationship with - the HoF were to become widely known? Having people aware that she's an apostate and possibly has a son, would put both of them far too much in the public spotlight and be dangerous for both of them... a risk I don't think she'd take, especially since she's trying to hide from Flemeth?

[Mr Plow]

not sure for my canon playthrough for any future DA 4 whether I should make dear Morrigan drink from the well or not

 

I mean it probably won't matter  -they will likely handwave it away - I mean if you can just take souls out of bodies then hey some dodgy water should be no biggie

 

but still cannot decide - do we think the drinking will be to her harm or possible glory?    (and by harm I don't mean a tummy bug either)

[Jedimaster88]

Yeah, Morrigan does enjoy attention but she's not one to draw it unnecessarily if she can help it?

 

It wouldn't serve her goals to have too many people in Celene's court aware of her presence, especially the scrutiny she'd be under if her knowledge of her ties to - or any kind of relationship with - the HoF were to become widely known? Having people aware that she's an apostate and possibly has a son, would put both of them far too much in the public spotlight and be dangerous for both of them... a risk I don't think she'd take, especially since she's trying to hide from Flemeth?

 

 

She hids the fact Kieran is her son. For what I understands, she presents him as an kid she is taking care of for someone else. So Morrigan would very likely hid the fact her lover is the greastest hero of this generation. Imagine the fuss it would cause if the HoF went to the ball. I'm sure he must be an celebrity even out of Ferelden.

 

You´re propably right both of you. It would create all sorts of problems. The idea just sounds so nice. The way Morrigan talked about my canon warden when I played Inquisition for the first time...was that pride in her voice when she said "my warden" and almost everything after that ? It was nice to hear everything she said. Those two would have sooooo stolen the show at the ball.

 

Its weird that when Leliana was announced as the HoF´s mistress, there was no reaction from anyone. Like it was no big deal. I wonder if its some orlesian thing...

[Jaison1986]

Well, Vivienne is well know of being the lover of the Duke guy, so perhaps Leliana being the king's lover is also known fact. So that's likely why there is no reaction to that announcement. Morrigan however would be an complete scandal for manly two reasons: 1) She is an apostate 2) Their relationship produced an child, meaning the throne has an bastard heir.

[Sifr]

You´re propably right both of you. It would create all sorts of problems. The idea just sounds so nice. The way Morrigan talked about my canon warden when I played Inquisition for the first time...was that pride in her voice when she said "my warden" and almost everything after that ? It was nice to hear everything she said. Those two would have sooooo stolen the show at the ball.

 

Oh yeah, there's no doubt that Morrigan's just as besotted with the Warden as they are with her, even if she pretends that it's just him who is the hopeless romantic in their relationship. Same as with Kieran, she might have to hide the fact that he's her son, but there's no doubt that she's completely adores her son and is proud in buckets of him.

 

If she didn't have to hide and could get away with it, I have no doubt that Morrigan would show her family off every chance she could get?

[Serza]

Oh, don't be absurd...

 

 

[ferasha]

Sorry to interrupt your discussion, guys, but I just wanted to share some pics of my Morrigan cosplay project that, unfortunately, I could not submit to the Fan Celebration Contest - as, alas, my country was not eligible for participation (tough luck when you happen to live in a small East European country many people haven't even heard of - or if they have, what they've heard often ain't pretty).

I did both Morrigan costumes, and in a series of photo edits, we wanted to recreate some of her iconic moments from the games, as well as to confront two versions of the character.


 

 

More Morrigan stuff on my page: https://www.facebook.../ferashacosplay

 

Thank you for your attention, sharing this work with more Dragon Age fans means a lot!

[hotdogbsg]

[BurningLizard]

I got ridiculously annoyed when the option to ask Morrigan if she had a husband, did not actually ask that question directly. "I didn't take you as the type to settle down" isn't quite the same as flat out asking, "Yo, did you and the Warden get married?" I imagine they aren't married specifically mostly because I doubt anyone with the authority to marry someone would want to perform a marriage for an apostate, not to mention even Morrigan as she appears in Inquisition would probably still be against it. Though what are your opinions/headcanons on that?

[vertigomez]

I got ridiculously annoyed when the option to ask Morrigan if she had a husband, did not actually ask that question directly. "I didn't take you as the type to settle down" isn't quite the same as flat out asking, "Yo, did you and the Warden get married?" I imagine they aren't married specifically mostly because I doubt anyone with the authority to marry someone would want to perform a marriage for an apostate, not to mention even Morrigan as she appears in Inquisition would probably still be against it. Though what are your opinions/headcanons on that?

I noticed that, too! Maybe there's a fine line in Thedas between being in a long-term committed relationship versus actually getting married, but a little clarification would be nice...

I think it depends, honestly. I like the thought of Morrigan and her Warden getting hitched, and I don't think she'd have any objection to it by the time DAI rolls around, but is marriage a religious thing in Thedas? Or just political process, that only nobles would be worried about?

I'm guessing it's a little religious for the average person (not that either of them are average, LOL) since in the DC origin someone will tell you that you can get "legally married by the human Chantry" on the surface, and in the CE origin there's only ONE sister willing to perform Andrastian weddings in the Alienage.

[Lady Artifice]

I noticed that, too! Maybe there's a fine line in Thedas between being in a long-term committed relationship versus actually getting married, but a little clarification would be nice...

I think it depends, honestly. I like the thought of Morrigan and her Warden getting hitched, and I don't think she'd have any objection to it by the time DAI rolls around, but is marriage a religious thing in Thedas? Or just political process, that only nobles would be worried about?

I'm guessing it's a little religious for the average person (not that either of them are average, LOL) since in the DC origin someone will tell you that you can get "legally married by the human Chantry" on the surface, and in the CE origin there's only ONE sister willing to perform Andrastian weddings in the Alienage.

 

One chantry mother, wasn't it?  (terribly nitpicky of me and I am duly ashamed of myself  )

 

It's funny you should mention it, though, because I've wondered how often humans from the chantry go into the alienage to perform marriage ceremonies. It just seems like it should be often, and that so much interaction should help foster better relations than what they have. 

[Sifr]

One chantry mother, wasn't it?  (terribly nitpicky of me and I am duly ashamed of myself  )

 

It's funny you should mention it, though, because I've wondered how often humans from the chantry go into the alienage to perform marriage ceremonies. It just seems like it should be often, and that so much interaction should help foster better relations than what they have. 

 

I dunno, seems to me that Elf-Chantry relations aren't necessarily that good?

 

Did you ever overhear that conversation in Haven where an Elf innocently asks "I heard from someone there was once an Elf in the Chant of Light?" and the Chantry Priestess he's talking to him suddenly shifts tone from polite conversation to full-on dogmaticism-mode and most empathically denies that there has never been any Elf in the Chant of Light?

 

Sure, she apologises and tries to reassure them that this doesn't mean the Maker loves them any less, but it does show that the Chantry has still some degree of prejudice against the Elven community. Not only do they cover up Shartan's existence as one of her earliest disciples, but it's minor heresy to mention him if you do know about him? And their reaction to an Elf as the Chosen of Andraste is to simply laugh at the idea?

 

I suspect that Alienage elves are probably married in "unofficial" ceremonies by their Hahren a lot of the time, unless they are lucky to have an actual Chantry member who's willing to come to the Alienages to officiate for them? And since we know that there's a lot of politicking and vying for power in the Chantry (especially in Orlais), I don't know how many would be willing to make themselves look bad by catering to the Elves, unless they're one of the few outliers who don't care about that?

[BurningLizard]

I noticed that, too! Maybe there's a fine line in Thedas between being in a long-term committed relationship versus actually getting married, but a little clarification would be nice...

I think it depends, honestly. I like the thought of Morrigan and her Warden getting hitched, and I don't think she'd have any objection to it by the time DAI rolls around, but is marriage a religious thing in Thedas? Or just political process, that only nobles would be worried about?

I'm guessing it's a little religious for the average person (not that either of them are average, LOL) since in the DC origin someone will tell you that you can get "legally married by the human Chantry" on the surface, and in the CE origin there's only ONE sister willing to perform Andrastian weddings in the Alienage.

Well, from what I've gathered there are different views on marriage depending on social class. For nobles it's definitely the way it used to be in our world, with arranged marriages formed for political convenience. But I assume that marriage for commoners works the way it would in our world. And now I'm imagining the warden marrying Morrigan for political convenience. 

 

"Do you have any idea how much money I save on defense of Amaranthine now? The woman can turn into a dragon, that's the only army I need."

 

I imagine that if it is a religious and not political process then they probably wouldn't be married, and Morrigan would in my mind still be opposed to having to perform some social ritual when all that would matter to her is her feelings and the warden's. I'd imagine it'd be more like an unspoken agreement not to leave each other.

 

Still, it would be awesome if in some DLC in the future she actually uses the word "husband". 

 

Also, did anyone notice in the temple of mythal, if you ask Morrigan "What about Kieran?" when talking about her drinking from the well, she basically says "He's a strong lad and will thrive without me" (also how heartbreaking is that? She seriously doesn't realize how important she must be to him), I'm a bit disappointed that a romanced Morrigan didn't say something along the lines of "And he will still have his father if something happens to me."

[Jedimaster88]

 

Also, did anyone notice in the temple of mythal, if you ask Morrigan "What about Kieran?" when talking about her drinking from the well, she basically says "He's a strong lad and will thrive without me" (also how heartbreaking is that? She seriously doesn't realize how important she must be to him), I'm a bit disappointed that a romanced Morrigan didn't say something along the lines of "And he will still have his father if something happens to me."

 

Im a bit disappointed that there wasnt any dialogue options about the warden in the temple. The HoF went to find a cure to the calling so he could have a long good life with his family. That has to mean something to Morrigan.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Well, from what I've gathered there are different views on marriage depending on social class. For nobles it's definitely the way it used to be in our world, with arranged marriages formed for political convenience. But I assume that marriage for commoners works the way it would in our world. And now I'm imagining the warden marrying Morrigan for political convenience. 

 

"Do you have any idea how much money I save on defense of Amaranthine now? The woman can turn into a dragon, that's the only army I need."

 

I imagine that if it is a religious and not political process then they probably wouldn't be married, and Morrigan would in my mind still be opposed to having to perform some social ritual when all that would matter to her is her feelings and the warden's. I'd imagine it'd be more like an unspoken agreement not to leave each other.

 

Still, it would be awesome if in some DLC in the future she actually uses the word "husband". 

 

Also, did anyone notice in the temple of mythal, if you ask Morrigan "What about Kieran?" when talking about her drinking from the well, she basically says "He's a strong lad and will thrive without me" (also how heartbreaking is that? She seriously doesn't realize how important she must be to him), I'm a bit disappointed that a romanced Morrigan didn't say something along the lines of "And he will still have his father if something happens to me."

 

When it comes to children and their purpose, Jor-El's words resonate with me the most :- "...Every child was designed to perform a predetermined role in our society as a worker, a warrior, a leader, and so on. Your mother and I believed Krypton lost something precious, the element of choice, of chance. What if a child dreamed of becoming something other than what society had intended? What if a child aspired to something greater? You were the embodiment of that belief..."

 

Kieran was brought to this world as a means to an end, as an escape plan or as a preservative container. Kieran had a predetermined role placed upon him before he was even born. 

 

A loving and functioning couple would agree to having children to raise them and to teach them and to nurture them, not to use them to preserve magics of the old or set them up on a specific destiny without even consulting the child.

 

In fact, Morrigan seems to only genuinely cares for Kieran as a human being if you romanced Morrigan but did not do the Dark Ritual and she had a child does show what Kieran essentially is to Morrigan if he has the soul of the Old God :- A tool. 

 

 

This is also why my Wardens never participate in The Dark Ritual unless he is romancing Morrigan. He persuades Alistair or Loghain to do it for the simple reason it is, to me at least, a crime to put an unborn child that my Warden fathered under so much pressure. Heck, even if my Warden romanced Morrigan, he would think hard before doing the ritual. 

[Ieldra]

I got ridiculously annoyed when the option to ask Morrigan if she had a husband, did not actually ask that question directly. "I didn't take you as the type to settle down" isn't quite the same as flat out asking, "Yo, did you and the Warden get married?" I imagine they aren't married specifically mostly because I doubt anyone with the authority to marry someone would want to perform a marriage for an apostate, not to mention even Morrigan as she appears in Inquisition would probably still be against it. Though what are your opinions/headcanons on that?

May I ask why that matters? I'm quite happy with this question remaining in limbo, since personally I prefer to not have a relationship sanctioned by an organization whose legitimacy to regulate such affairs I question. The relationship between my main Warden and Morrigan does not need to be sanctioned by anyone or anything.

[Ieldra]

@Tishen-13:

I do not get the impression that Morrigan does not care about Kieran as a person when I play a game where I import my Warden/Morrigan/DR worldstate.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

@Tishen-13:

I do not get the impression that Morrigan does not care about Kieran as a person when I play a game where I import my Warden/Morrigan/DR worldstate.

 

She talks about his destiny, all that she has worked for will be for naught, he is more than that, etc. After Mythal took Urthemiel's soul from Kieran, Morrigan was like :- "Kieran had a destiny and now Flemeth took it away, etc."

 

I am not saying she does not care for Kieran. If you do the Dark Ritual, she cares for Kieran as a boy with an Old God soul first followed by Kieran as her son. 

 

If you do not do the Dark Ritual, she cars for Kieran as her actual son first and foremost. She treats him as a human being who has choices in life, not one with a destiny she determined for him.

[thesuperdarkone2]

WTF happened to Morrigan's hair in the Keep? Seriously, check it out.

[BurningLizard]

May I ask why that matters? I'm quite happy with this question remaining in limbo, since personally I prefer to not have a relationship sanctioned by an organization whose legitimacy to regulate such affairs I question. The relationship between my main Warden and Morrigan does not need to be sanctioned by anyone or anything.

It matters in as much as I wouldn't mind knowing what the official stance is, but if that's not not happening then I'm fine with headcanons. I tend to agree that neither Morrigan nor my warden would really care about what the chantry has to say about their relationship.

 

She talks about his destiny, all that she has worked for will be for naught, he is more than that, etc. After Mythal took Urthemiel's soul from Kieran, Morrigan was like :- "Kieran had a destiny and now Flemeth took it away, etc."

 

I am not saying she does not care for Kieran. If you do the Dark Ritual, she cares for Kieran as a boy with an Old God soul first followed by Kieran as her son. 

 

If you do not do the Dark Ritual, she cars for Kieran as her actual son first and foremost. She treats him as a human being who has choices in life, not one with a destiny she determined for him.

It does bug me a bit that we get to see Morrigan talk more about Kieran if he's a regular human, but I think that is less about the character and more about content. Human Kieran doesn't get the scene in the fade, so anyone that didn't do the DR but still romanced Morrigan would get less content, hence why human Kieran gets more dialogue options from Morrigan.

 

I do agree a bit that Morrigan's initial attitude towards Kieran will vary depending on if he's the OGB or a human. But the scene in the fade really shows that by the end of that storyline Morrigan has fully embraced the attitude she has towards her human son as the one that she has towards her formerly OGB son. And I'd say that offering to sacrifice her life for Kieran's sake has nothing to do with the OG soul. That's the action of a mother trying to protect her child. 

 

Basically, in my mind, what it comes down to is when exactly Morrigan realizes how much she cares about her son. I imagine the surprise pregnancy with the Warden's human child has her going through a gamut of emotions ending with her realizing she loves her son earlier on, while with the OGB version she's more likely caught off guard by her emotions for the child, but she has the excuse of "It's all part of the plan" to hide behind so she doesn't have to admit that she cares about her child more than the old god soul.

 

The line where she's lamenting the loss of Kieran's destiny, it came across to me less like "Oh woe is me I lost the old god soul" and more like she believed that destiny to be a good thing for her child.

 

Also, head canon time: The knife that Morrigan uses to kill Abelas is the Warden's old killing knife.

[Mushashi7]

Hi, people!

 

I don't have much to comment on at this stage. I was just hit by a massive hammer, and I'm still recovering and thinking.

But I have a few screenshots from the 'hammer'.

 

 

 

I wish I could read your mind, Morrigan...

 

 

 

I did it for you... Did I do the right thing?

 

 

[RR1107]

Couple of my favorite screenshots that I have taken (very slightly edited):

 

 

[AresKeith]

Couple of my favorite screenshots that I have taken (very slightly edited):

 

 

 

She looks great