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[Battlebloodmage]

I remember back in the day when Ashley was being berated for being racist, but all of her remarks about not trusting the aliens and how the aliens only look out for themselves so we should do the same thing as well. Whether she lives or dies, I feel like she gets the last laugh. The council refuses to help humans since they see Earth as a meatshield to slow down the reapers and don't want to waste their resources to help Earth. The Asari hiding crucial artifacts and withholding information regarding the reapers. Looking back now, all of Ashley's worries come true. Do people still disagree with her belief and hate her for her view or at least understand her point of view a little?

[Zjarcal]

She's dead, **** if I care about her views anymore.

[Battlebloodmage]

She's dead, **** if I care about her views anymore.

Like I said, she still gets the last laugh like "I told you so" even if you disagree with her view because her concerns all come true when ships hit the fan. 

[zestalyn]

Um, hell no. There is never an excuse for racism. People always deserve to be berated for thinking its okay to act and treat others based on generalizations.

Can you imagine asking that kind of question about our kind of racism? That's not how prejudice works. 

Also, thinking expressing xenophobic thoughts is okay is a total slap to the face to all the alien allies Shepard gained through mutual trust and understanding. 

As for the Reaper attack on Earth- if it was any of the other homeworlds attacked first, while Reaper forces began appearing on human colonies, Earth would have acted the same. Resources for war prep are not limitless.

[Battlebloodmage]

Everyone agree that we are likely to act the same, so basically you're just reinforcing Ashley's voice that we should look out for our species first. Her voice does seem more to be out of concern for her own species and its interest rather than to hate them out right. We're not only separated by species but also by planet, so many of them would want to hide information to advance themselves first. Ashley's view seems to be very practical. I don't think she hates them because they're aliens but more like she can't trust them since at the end of the day, we would still look out for our own people. You think Liara would be as distraught if some other planets got destroyed instead of Thessia?

[zestalyn]

Just because we look out for our people, doesn't mean you don't extend equality. The problem with Ashley's xenophobic thoughts is that she believed it was reason enough to not entrust the same privileges to Normandy's alien crew members. That's just prejudice in action. That's not okay. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Just because we look out for our people, doesn't mean you don't extend equality. The problem with Ashley's xenophobic thoughts is that she believed it was reason enough to not entrust the same privileges to Normandy's alien crew members. That's just prejudice in action. That's not okay. 

I wonder if the aliens were born on Earth would she still have the same view. It's like you have to be born in the U.S. to be president and hold certain positions in military. She may think of the other aliens as spies for other countries. Even Wrex has spies in the Normandy, despite being best bud with Shepard, so she's not entirely wrong. It's a military ship, not a McDonald application. 

[zestalyn]

I wonder if the aliens were born on Earth would she still have the same view. It's like you have to be born in the U.S. to be president and hold certain positions in military. She may think of the other aliens as spies for other countries. Even Wrex has spies in the Normandy, despite being best bud with Shepard, so she's not entirely wrong. It's a military ship, not a McDonald application. 

To gain trust, you extend trust. That trust served Shepard well throughout the entire trilogy.

 

[Battlebloodmage]

To gain trust, you extend trust. That trust served Shepard well throughout the entire trilogy.

 

How many times have they betray him/her now? Wrex and Liara spy on Shepard, Tali stole his/her tech, Asari hides their tech, council refuses to help even if Shepard helps them, just to name a few. At this point, I wouldn't be surprise if the aliens laugh behind Shepard's back due to how easily fooled he/she is. 

[DeathScepter]

I wonder why Some people would join Terra Firma or Cerberus.

[zestalyn]

 

How many times have they betray him/her now? Wrex and Liara spy on Shepard, Tali stole his/her tech, Asari hides their tech, council refuses to help even if Shepard helps them, just to name a few. At this point, I wouldn't be surprise if the aliens laugh behind Shepard's back due to how easily fooled he/she is. 

 

 

Bioware can't really give those idealistic Paragon Shepards bad outcomes because that's what the majority plays.

 

I mean... they already got a shitstorm just because the endings didn't fit into cheesy headcanons full of rainbows and happiness.

 

So? What are you guys saying, playing ****** for tat is how you gain allies and get things done? 

That's your opinion...But back to OP, Ashley doesn't get the last laugh given how Priority:Earth ensues, or really, the moment Sparatus offered that deal to Shepard after the council meeting. 

[Obadiah]

Ashely is a racist in a racist galaxy. Naturally, her predictions on the different civilization's behavior were correct.

However, (and this is just MY playthroughs) that wasn't the way forward. To defeat the Reapers we needed the help and trust of all of the races. We needed to quit seeing ourselves as different, to stop playing power games, and work together. It started before the beginning of ME1 with the Normandy being a ship of Turian/Human design.

Also, spying is not really betrayal.

[Iakus]

Ashley ascribes it to humans too. It's just a survival instinct for any species that wants to weather a disaster: look to your own species first

Altruism isn't a survival trait.

[Peer of the Empire]

Ashley's a good woman. Too bad she's so annoying in games 2 and 3.

Pump & dump

[Battlebloodmage]

Doesn't the whole point of ME3 disagree with her racist comments? We can't just look out for ourselves, we need to explicitly help all the other races to stand a chance against the reapers together.

Except the ending has nothing to do with how much troops we gather, except gathering more troops somehow make more colors appear.

 

@Obadiah: Also, spying is a betrayal of trust since you go behind someone's back without their permission. You think it's okay for a husband to hire a detective on his wife because he doesn't trust her.

[zestalyn]

 

Except the ending has nothing to do with how much troops we gather, except gathering more troops somehow make more colors appear.

Puddlkoma's point still stands. The entire ME3 game is about making it possible for everyone to work together. The actual endgame mechanics are another discussion entirely. 

[wolfhowwl]

Did she say anything that bad in ME1?

 

I just remember the clumsy dog and the bear analogy.

[KaiserShep]

Her beliefs never get in the way of her doing her duty, so I can't really fault her. Considering how recent the first contact war is, her beliefs are understandable. I let this slide, because her concerns are pretty much justified, just like I wouldn't make this an issue with Navigator Pressly, because he does his job and serves his purpose. If anything, other characters can often be worse about this than her, but may get away with it because they're cheeky aliens and amuse us.

To be perfectly honest, if I was a human soldier in the MEU, I'd be wary of the other races, because in the end, a species will always hold its own above all others, and there's no telling what their interests are.

[zestalyn]

Did she say anything that bad in ME1?

 

I just remember the clumsy dog and the bear analogy.

No, i believe she doesn't say anything outright horrible, but her mistrust is short-sighted IMO 

edit: although i remember feeling like her views bled into how she reacted in certain situations, mainly the way she smack-talked liara in the boardroom in front of everyone for no good reason, when all liara was doing helping shepard understand the conduit or something like that. 

[KaiserShep]

Did she say anything that bad in ME1?

I just remember the clumsy dog and the bear analogy.

Most of what she says is about letting the alien crew have access to an alliance vessel, though in Garrus' case it doesn't make sense since the Normandy is codeveloped with the turians. After that she insists that she will put it all aside and do as Shepard says and the subject ends there.