Because both uses abilities that are forbidden. The chanty makes it legal for Templars. While out casting blood magic. You need lyrium to be a templar. So basically you are a drug addict. Who needs a fix. The chanty controls your fix.
I see all 3 evil. Blood magic corrupts. Drug addicting Templars. Drug Dealer Chantry.
Because both uses abilities that are forbidden. The chanty makes it legal for Templars. While out casting blood magic. You need lyrium to be a templar. So basically you are a drug addict. Who needs a fix. The chanty controls your fix.
Necessary self-sacrifice for the greater good without unleashing demons on the world.
And how is Templar magic forbidden?
anytime some idea becomes the "power" base, it becomes corrupt and evil by the nature of those who embrace it
When you say "bad" do you mean by your own moral view point or by the chantry's standards?
Because both uses abilities that are forbidden. The chanty makes it legal for Templars.
You don't know what "forbidden" means, do you?
And I don't think we know for certain that lyrium is necessary for Templar abilities. It could just be used as a way for the Chantry to control them.
And I don't think we know for certain that lyrium is necessary for Templar abilities.
Yes we do, it is needed.
Allister didn't need it and he can still use his templar abilities as a warden
Allister didn't need it and he can still use his templar abilities as a warden
I think RED templars are as bad as BLOOD mages. Both are going outside of what is normally practiced and playing with powers that can easily corrupt them. I'd also say that regular mages and regular templars can both be pretty bad to each other, but I wouldn't compare red templars with regular mages or blood mages with regular templars morally. That's just my opinion, though.
That was retconned.
I bloody hope not, he actually says it too the players face.
Can I have a source?
Sorry, I'm lazy to search. Gaider said outright that Templars need lyrium for their abilities. Search yourself, I'm sure you will find it, it was discussed quite many times.I bloody hope not, he actually says it too the players face.
Can I have a source?
Sorry, I'm lazy to search. Gaider said outright that Templars need lyrium for their abilities. Search yourself, I'm sure you will find it, it was discussed quite many times.
Damn you Gaider!
Why are you such a terrrible writer!
Damn you Gaider!
Why are you such a terrrible writer!
It was terrible before, not now. Non mages shouldn't have any special abilities without some magic source. Otherwise there is no real difference between mages and mundanes.
Mundanes can also be possesed by demons and, other then dwarves, can dream.
I always thought it was just highly different degrees of power between Mages and non-mages, rather then yes and no
Mundanes can also be possesed by demons and, other then dwarves, can dream.
I always thought it was just highly different degrees of power between Mages and non-mages, rather then yes and no
Mages have mana, mundanes don't. So mundanes consume artificial mana - lyrium, which mages can also consume to refill. Then when mundanes have used their mana, they need lyrium again, or they don't have fuel anymore for their abilities.
What I am more interested to see is mundanes that consume lyrium and train in duplicating traditional mage spells, rather than train only in the anti-magic school.
Meredith did many interesting magical things, and red Templars in the demo were throwing fireballs, Fenris did his own magic things.
Edit: I am also interested in seeing blood magic using mundanes. Canonically to use blood magic you still expend some mana to establish connection to the blood, a blood mage can't use blood magic for days just because he has unlimited blood, would still get exhausted at one point when mana ends ( this is not how gameplay works of course, but I take it as segregation), just that the mana expense is a lot less, it's a lever effect. So in theory a mundane that consumed lyrium would also be able to use blood magic.
But this is all my theory, that might be complete bull. It just makes sense to me.
in before OP makes a thread advocating deletion of chantry affiliates from companion roster.
I think RED templars are as bad as BLOOD mages. Both are going outside of what is normally practiced and playing with powers that can easily corrupt them. I'd also say that regular mages and regular templars can both be pretty bad to each other, but I wouldn't compare red templars with regular mages or blood mages with regular templars morally. That's just my opinion, though.
This. If Templars are equal to Mages on the scale, then Red Templars are equal to Blood Mages.
I bloody hope not, he actually says it too the players face.
Can I have a source?
No, Alistair says he has doubts it is needed, not that it isn't.
Don't phylacteries work via blood magic? So technically the chantry does allow Templars to employ forbidden magic
I don't think templars do the phylacteries though. It would require them to use form of blood magic and only templar magic I have seen so far is anti-magic one that weakens people's magic. I'd guess some mage in the circles do the blood magic to vials for them. I'm not sure though, it hasn't been revealed who does the phylacteries and vials in them.
I don't remember the exact retcon, it was either Alustair didn't spend enough time without lyrium to lose his abilities, or it was Marrics blood that allows him those abilities without lyrium.
Alistair has a naturally high Midi-Chlorian count...sorry wrong game. But thats kind of how it works if lyrium is alive.
you are almost there little grass hopper. yes they are both evil and wicked and heretic filth.... but we are the inquisition we don't need to give explanations we just sign "HERETIC" form and burn them.
So let it be.
Because both uses abilities that are forbidden. The chanty makes it legal for Templars. While out casting blood magic. You need lyrium to be a templar. So basically you are a drug addict. Who needs a fix. The chanty controls your fix.
I see all 3 evil. Blood magic corrupts. Drug addicting Templars. Drug Dealer Chantry.
You don't need lyrium to use Templar abilities. According to the convos with Alistair in DA:O to learn the Templar spec. the lyrium only makes the abilities more powerful but you don't have to have lyrium to use the abilities.
Thus, if they become addicted it is their own fault they cant control themselves. They should only be using the lyrium in emergencies.
http://dragonage.wik...i/Templar_Order
"All templars are addicted to lyrium, which is officially used to help develop their anti-mage skills and unofficially used as a control mechanism by the Chantry."
I say all 3 are bad. The Chantry controls the lyrium flow to Templars. Meaning they have full control of it. Mages are being locked up against there own will. Which is why most of them go to blood magic.
Mages who are children are taken away from there parents. All because of the Templars and Chantry. Blood mages get corrupt of there formal selves. And The Chantry is basically a drug dealer who controls the drug lyrium to the Templars. Templars will not be able to use there abilities without lyrium. Almost all Templars hate mages.
"A lack of lyrium causes the templar to lose touch with reality and suffer from delusions within 1-2 months."
"The effects of lyrium addiction for templars include paranoia, obsession, and dementia."
"Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours."
"the Chantry knows of its addictiveness."
Of course the drug dealer going to know of this addictiveness.
""the Chantry controls the supply of lyrium, and thus they control the templars.""
All drug dealers control the drug supply. And the Chantry no different.
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