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Why did only the Protheans go extinct?


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There's a theory I have that with each passing cycle the races the Reapers harvest get less advanced. There was a race in the past that carved their own image out of a moon for goodness sake, the Protheans could make suns go supernova. This cycle is primitive. 

Maybe they lowered the threshold to minimize their own losses via supernova?



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From what Javik tells us about the War in his cycle, the Reapers stay in the milky way for centuries, maybe even 1000 years.

That is long enough to watch civilisations evolve and dedcide if and when to **** them up.



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That seems inconvenient. Throughout all the Cycles, each species must've developed asymmetrically, meaning a Cycle had to be started prematurely pretty often. So why use the "50,000 years" template in the first place? It makes more sense to me that they would get rid of any threats, either current or those that would become threats too soon before the next Cycle.


Sure. Saying that there was actually some sort of timer ticking off every 50,000 years was just stupid writing. Chorban's ME2 email is particularly egregious.

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50k years is just a rough time frame, the Reapers are called (by the Citadel or the Collectors) and start their genocide tour when ever they need to.

50k years is a pretty good value given the fact that all sapient species are wiped out and most civilisations need at least this time to go from stoneage to spaceflight.

And remember: Our cycle is special in much ways and very differnet from a normal cycle.



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And remember: Our cycle is special in much ways and very differnet from a normal cycle.

The only thing different about this cycle is that they have Space Jesus. Without him and the power of his Gary Stu'ness Sovereign would have succeeded and the Reapers would have poured through.

Don't believe the nonsense the game tries to preach about the power of friendship being needed to beat the Reapers, you can screw over half the races in ME3 and still win. RIP Hanar, Rachni, Krogan and Quarians.
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I don't think Shepard gets all of the credit.

 

The only reason why Shepard was preaching 'the end is nigh' is because the Protheans managed to leave behind a warning for the next cycle, and Shepard happened to be in the right place at the right time. The Protheans also sabotaged the Citadel relay so that the Reapers couldn't simply leap into the galaxy as they did in cycles past.


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The only thing different about this cycle is that they have Space Jesus. Without him and the power of his Gary Stu'ness Sovereign would have succeeded and the Reapers would have poured through.

Don't believe the nonsense the game tries to preach about the power of friendship being needed to beat the Reapers, you can screw over half the races in ME3 and still win. RIP Hanar, Rachni, Krogan and Quarians.

What? I knew we could screw over the rachni, krogan and quarians, but we can screw over the hanar, too? Awesome! XD


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The Vorcha may never advance to the stars or develop artificial life themselves but they can tell others about the Reapers so they are effectively guilty by association.

 

I wouldn't put it past them to intend to deal with the Yahg and the Raloi before they were stopped either.

I know the wiki's not the best source, but it does say, "In 2186 during the Reaper invasion, the raloi delegation withdraws from the Citadel. Unwilling and unable to fight the Reapers, the raloi decide to isolate themselves on Turvess and destroy any satellites and observation equipment in orbit around their planet. They hope that the Reapers will see them as a pre-spaceflight civilization and spare their planet."

 

I'm pretty sure the Raloi would be killed, but I don't know if I'd say the same for the yahg. We met one yahg who was intelligent, and another who was basically an animal. Liara even said that the Shadow Broker was probably supposed to have been someone's slave or pet.

 

I disagree with the "guilty by association" argument, because if that were the case, then the asari, humans and salarians would all be extinct for that very reason. They were around when the Protheans were.



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Reapers harvest any race that is space faring, organic and synthetic, as they are the biggest threat. The Vorcha and Krogan, despite not achieving space flight on their own, are targeted due to the fact they are found in multiple places throughout the galaxy, even if amajority of their own population in confined to their planet.

Remember Javik said they ceased all observations of all current space faring races in the hope that the Reapers would consider them too primitive to harvest. If the Protheans were able to uplift the Asari, Turians, and Humans, in their era, the Reapers would have harvested them during the last cycle. The Reapers ignore harvesting the Yagh because they aren't a space faring race. If Bioware decided to make the Raloi cannon in ME3 we would know if the Reapers decided to harvest them or ignore them, as they were an emerging space faring race that the Asari discovered before the Reaper invasion, but then destroyed all technology to look pre-space flight.

The Reapers ensure new life is given a chance to grow/evolve, by harvesting the space faring races, that could possibly enslave or destroy pre-space flight races.

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Reapers harvest any race that is space faring, organic and synthetic, as they are the biggest threat. The Vorcha and Krogan, despite not achieving space flight on their own, are targeted due to the fact they are found in multiple places throughout the galaxy, even if amajority of their own population in confined to their planet.

Remember Javik said they ceased all observations of all current space faring races in the hope that the Reapers would consider them too primitive to harvest. If the Protheans were able to uplift the Asari, Turians, and Humans, in their era, the Reapers would have harvested them during the last cycle. The Reapers ignore harvesting the Yagh because they aren't a space faring race. If Bioware decided to make the Raloi cannon in ME3 we would know if the Reapers decided to harvest them or ignore them, as they were an emerging space faring race that the Asari discovered before the Reaper invasion, but then destroyed all technology to look pre-space flight.

The Reapers ensure new life is given a chance to grow/evolve, by harvesting the space faring races, that could possibly enslave or destroy pre-space flight races.

 

Raloi are canon, their delegation is mentioned fleeing the citadel in a news net broadcast that plays in the spectre req room.



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So, I just recruited Javik, and I'm pretty confused. He calls the asari primitive and says that all of these species were around when the Prothean civilization still existed. If all life got wiped out by the Reapers, then how come the asari, salarians, humans, etc. survived, while the Protheans and whatever the Keepers originally were all died or turned into some new indoctrinated species controlled by the Reapers? Why wouldn't the same go for the asari and others? I thought the Reapers wiped out ALL organic life.

I'm really confused, so can someone explain this to me?

 

Be careful.  They didn't say "ALL life".  Only those that were advanced enough for space flight.  The further along you get in the game, the more it will be explained.  Especially at the end.  By the way, DOWNLOAD THE EXTENDED CUT DLC!!!!



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Be careful.  They didn't say "ALL life".  Only those that were advanced enough for space flight.  The further along you get in the game, the more it will be explained.  Especially at the end.  By the way, DOWNLOAD THE EXTENDED CUT DLC!!!!


And Leviathan if you want a better explanation as to the cycle and how it began and why.
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I know the wiki's not the best source, but it does say, "In 2186 during the Reaper invasion, the raloi delegation withdraws from the Citadel. Unwilling and unable to fight the Reapers, the raloi decide to isolate themselves on Turvess and destroy any satellites and observation equipment in orbit around their planet. They hope that the Reapers will see them as a pre-spaceflight civilization and spare their planet."

 

I'm pretty sure the Raloi would be killed, but I don't know if I'd say the same for the yahg. We met one yahg who was intelligent, and another who was basically an animal. Liara even said that the Shadow Broker was probably supposed to have been someone's slave or pet.

 

I disagree with the "guilty by association" argument, because if that were the case, then the asari, humans and salarians would all be extinct for that very reason. They were around when the Protheans were.

 

But they had no idea the Protheans were interfering with their development, or even that they existed.



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Not killing the Yahg would be a collosal mistake.



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Remember when you met Harbinger on that secret base of Saren. That was one of the highlights of masseffect. And he gave us a lecture. I felt speechless afther he finshed. He was very intimidating .

It was Sovereign not Harbinger.



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But they had no idea the Protheans were interfering with their development, or even that they existed.

Still refutes the "guilty by association" argument.



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The Reapers ensure new life is given a chance to grow/evolve, by harvesting the space faring races, that could possibly enslave or destroy pre-space flight races.

 

See, I just don't understand this reasoning.

 

It's like the reapers LIKE harvesting and causing mass panic/sorrow/death/destruction.

 

Why leave pre-space flight lifeforms alive to evolve evolve if you leave tech lying around to so that that life evolves along a pathway that ENSURES you are going to be coming back to reap them. What is the POINT of letting new life evolve? The reapers say it themselves, that we evolve along a pathway they have determined for us, thus making the return of the reapers a 100% given in every cycle..



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See, I just don't understand this reasoning.

 

It's like the reapers LIKE harvesting and causing mass panic/sorrow/death/destruction.

 

Why leave pre-space flight lifeforms alive to evolve evolve if you leave tech lying around to so that that life evolves along a pathway that ENSURES you are going to be coming back to reap them. What is the POINT of letting new life evolve? The reapers say it themselves, that we evolve along a pathway they have determined for us, thus making the return of the reapers a 100% given in every cycle..

That's just to make the victims of the harvest and their locations predictable and easier.  They let new life evolve because the preservation of life is their function (As far as they consider Reaper form life)



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Not killing the Yahg would be a collosal mistake.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! It would be a mistake for US if they did!  :D



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What? I knew we could screw over the rachni, krogan and quarians, but we can screw over the hanar, too? Awesome! XD


Lol yep. Kasumi's mission in ME3, if she died in the SM or wasn't recruited you have to choose between saving Bau or the Hanar homeworld. If you choose Bau, then the Hanar planetary defences which were protecting them from the Reapers are shut down with a virus, and they are forced to retreat under the sea. RIP Hanar.

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I can imagine the Yag being just like the Protheans in their cycle. Not so nice if you are one of the enslaved races but nothing to worry about from the Repers pont of view.