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[Ruadh]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, TIM is a bawbag.

[Steelcan]

no he's actually an entirely different species of hominid that looks just like modern ****** sapiens

 

 

edit:  Really?  you block that?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I was REALLY, REALLY hoping in ME3 that The Illusive Man would royally HANG himself.   Instead he just gets "controlled" & shot (big deal).

 

In all his [infallible] cleverness, cunning, & planning -- it would be wonderful if one of his INCREDIBLY BRILLIANT plans backfired.     Yes, I know his investment in Shep & Normandy2 didn't quite end like he wanted -- but the team DID IN FACT accomplish his major objective.  As TIM said (ME3) "Shep was only a tool".

 

For example, he attempts to agument himself to be the Hulk and instead becomes a mouse.  I love it when someone (like him) sets a trap, then falls into it.  

 

Not to KILL him -- that's too easy -- he needs to live out the MISERY (& infamy) he's caused in countless others.

 

No he doesn't. TIM did what he always set out to do. I have nothing but unending respect for the man because of it. 

 

I think the people who suffered misery from him would have gotten it regardless. They didn't deserve any better. They'd have been little more than useless prawns.

[Animositisomina]

I'm surprised he didn't speak to Shepard in voice only, like SEELE in Evangelion.

Or like Charlie to his Angels.

[KaiserShep]

I think the people who suffered misery from him would have gotten it regardless. They didn't deserve any better. They'd have been little more than useless prawns.

I suppose that kind of depends. If TIM died or failed to flee to the Citadel in time, the war would have ended much sooner. Of course, if destroy is selected, it's very likely that a lot of people would die as a result of the damage the station inflicts, but in a war with the reapers, a day can make a huge difference.

The guy turned into a huge monkey wrench.

[Shahadem]

Bah, everybody knows The Illusive asari is the only real one.

 

 

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Mmmm, Illusive Liara. Yum!

[jros83]

Or like Charlie to his Angels.

Or like my neighbor's dog.

[Dale]

The guy turned into a huge monkey wrench.

Agreed.  In my professional career, I've known too many of his type who live by the ethics of Niccolo Machiavelli ("The Prince").   Lie, cheat, steal, betray, murder -- all the name of a NOBLE cause.   In this case, TIM wraps himself in the flag of humanity to inflate his own status.   Politicians wrap themselves in the "flag" for the same reasons.  

 

TIM says "I have the best of humanity's interests at heart".   Let's examine that -- in ME1 many murders, in ME2 he betrays his entire team "all for the good of humanity".  He could have privately told Shep "there is a 50/50 chance you might need to get out of there fast".  I certainly don't buy his rationalle as that was a [really] stupid gamble.   In ME3, just about everyone of ME2 is on the "run" from Cerberus.   [sweetheart] Kelly has to change her identity just to stay alive from Cerberus hit men that are out for "humanity's best interest".   When the game designers dreamed up the most despicable, murdering, cutthroat, back stabbing, self-serving jerk -- they did an excellent job since we need good villain!    Unfortunately there are too many people in the REAL world like him -- that can't be brought down with a "mouse", "toggle stick" or "button".

[jros83]

yes yes, how quaint, the ol' "every powerful person is the absolute worst possible they can be under the surface" argument.

[Dale]

After playing ME2 about 9 times, I was ready to move into ME3.  

 

After 8 hours in to ME3, I was so infuriated at TIM, I went back to ME2, destroyed the collector base and restarted ME3.

[SporkFu]

After playing ME2 about 9 times, I was ready to move into ME3.  

 

After 8 hours in to ME3, I was so infuriated at TIM, I went back to ME2, destroyed the collector base and restarted ME3.

First time I played ME2, I saved the collector base for TIM. Afterwards I toured the Normandy and spoke to everyone... heh, from everyone's reactions, I knew that I had chosen poorly, especially given the paragon-y hero-type I was playing shep to be. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

First time I played ME2, I saved the collector base for TIM. Afterwards I toured the Normandy and spoke to everyone... heh, from everyone's reactions, I knew that I had chosen poorly, especially given the paragon-y hero-type I was playing shep to be. 

 

I wouldn't let the reactions of others determine for you whether you made the right call or not. I think I made the right call destroying the base, but I completely disagree with the reasons everyone agrees with me for it.

 

I don't think it was an abomination. I don't think the 'human' price of keeping it was too high. I don't think it was a stain on the soul of humanity.

 

No, I destroyed it because it was technology that likely would not be controlled or used safely. Too much in one place, and so unrestricted. It's simply too dangerous to use without enough payoff of a reward.

[SporkFu]

I wouldn't let the reactions of others determine for you whether you made the right call or not. I think I made the right call destroying the base, but I completely disagree with the reasons everyone agrees with me for it.

 

I don't think it was an abomination. I don't think the 'human' price of keeping it was too high. I don't think it was a stain on the soul of humanity.

 

No, I destroyed it because it was technology that likely would not be controlled or used safely. Too much in one place, and so unrestricted. It's simply too dangerous to use without enough payoff of a reward.

Well... the reactions told me I had probably chosen contrary to the kinda role I had been playing shep in, throughout the game. I never established her in any way as having any trust in TIM or Cerberus, then suddenly at the (seemingly at the time) big decision, she flip-flops. 

 

I don't think your reasons for destroying the base are mutually exclusive with any other reasons for destroying it. It's all part of the same reason, to me. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Well... the reactions told me I had probably chosen contrary to the kinda role I had been playing shep in, throughout the game. I never established her in any way as having any trust in TIM or Cerberus, then suddenly at the (seemingly at the time) big decision, she flip-flops. 

 

I don't think your reasons for destroying the base are mutually exclusive with any other reasons for destroying it. It's all part of the same reason, to me. 

 

What do you mean by the second statement?

[SporkFu]

What do you mean by the second statement?

Just that destroying the base because the technology isn't trustworthy, and destroying the base because it's an abomination... well, shep can destroy the base for both reasons, or any number of reasons. I'm sure a lot of them were flashing through her head when she decided. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Just that destroying the base because the technology isn't trustworthy, and destroying the base because it's an abomination... well, shep can destroy the base for both reasons, or any number of reasons. I'm sure a lot of them were flashing through her head when she decided. 

 

It's not that the technology isn't untrustworthy at all, so your reason you've ascribed to me is dead false. There's too much technology in one place and no way to get it out.

 

My Shepard is too practical for the 'abomination' route. 

[SporkFu]

It's not that the technology isn't untrustworthy at all, so your reason you've ascribed to me is dead false. There's too much technology in one place and no way to get it out.

 

My Shepard is too practical for the 'abomination' route. 

Okay I read your quote wrong, apologies. I read "likely would not be controlled or used safely." as could not... and I saw "too dangerous to use" 

[CynicalShep]

no he's actually an entirely different species of hominid that looks just like modern ****** sapiens
 
 
edit:  Really?  you block that?

lol @ ****** sapiens

[mybudgee]

Dr Zaeis?

[jros83]

alternativelifestyle sapiens

[CynicalShep]

alternativelifestyle sapiens

perfectlyacceptablealternativelifestyle sapiens

[Dale]

Good question "is TIM really human?"

 

Likely the question (in  my mind) is "is TIM really a human as we know one?"

 

He has all the evil vices that are known in history wrapped up into one character (a very great villain, for sure).  In ME2, he almost sounds "respectable" doing us a service --  but he speaks with forked tongue in ME3, slaughtering humans left and right, all "for humanity's best interest" -- yeah, sure (I'll sell you the Golden Gate Bridge if you believe that).

 

What I find puzzling and curious about TIM is his statement with Shep (Asari temple) when he makes this statement:

 

"I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine.   Don't assume you know me".

 

In that scene, TIM has the upper hand and that statement should NOT be a lie.   If Shep only discovered the Reapers 2-3 years prior, then how can TIM make that statement?  

 

Makes me wonder -- since he is so incredibly VAIN that perhaps he can perpetually clone himself ... somehow retaining his memories.    You know -- the IMMORTAL wish.
 

[themikefest]

 

Makes me wonder -- since he is so incredibly VAIN that perhaps he can perpetually clone himself ... somehow retaining his memories.    You know -- the IMMORTAL wish.
 

It would be interesting if it was his clone on the Citadel and the real TIM is in another location safe.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Good question "is TIM really human?"

 

Likely the question (in  my mind) is "is TIM really a human as we know one?"

 

He has all the evil vices that are known in history wrapped up into one character (a very great villain, for sure).  In ME2, he almost sounds "respectable" doing us a service --  but he speaks with forked tongue in ME3, slaughtering humans left and right, all "for humanity's best interest" -- yeah, sure (I'll sell you the Golden Gate Bridge if you believe that).

 

What I find puzzling and curious about TIM is his statement with Shep (Asari temple) when he makes this statement:

 

"I've been fighting the Reapers longer than you can imagine.   Don't assume you know me".

 

In that scene, TIM has the upper hand and that statement should NOT be a lie.   If Shep only discovered the Reapers 2-3 years prior, then how can TIM make that statement?  

 

Makes me wonder -- since he is so incredibly VAIN that perhaps he can perpetually clone himself ... somehow retaining his memories.    You know -- the IMMORTAL wish.
 

 

Longer than you can imagine, yes. Because in ME(1) Shepard just saw Cerberus as a evil-enslaving-powerful-admiral killing Organization. But wasn't TIM doing EVERYTHING he could to begin fighting the Reapers?