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[God]

I was talking about the games (under Bungie), but you're certainly right on that count.

 

And yeah, 343i really been trying to kill off every last main or side character no matter where they come from. Wonder if that's why Halsey was given plot armor in the form of the eulogy she's supposed deliver decades later...

 

Well, we know that she will survive up to at least 2587, and that the Master Chief is still publicly seen as a hero as of 2610. 

 

Spartan Team Black is KIA now, I wouldn't be surprised if Grey get's the axe, part of Red Team is still out there, and sans a few unmentioned S-II's, there are only 5 known active Spartan-II's left:

 

Naomi-010

Linda-058

Kelly-087

Frederic-104

John-117

 

Naomi is more tangential. She's more likely to die in something smaller, but also more likely to be left aside.

 

I think this game is going to show that a tragic fate awaits Blue Team (sans Chief). I'm already preparing myself for Linda and Fred's death. Kelly is going to be the last one to die I think due to her connection to Chief (them being teammates since the very beginning of everything). She'll be the last to die if I had to guess.

 

As I said, knowing 343, Red and Grey teams are both already dead, every other named Spartan-III will be dead (sans Jun), and this is going to be the time where 343 shows how uber-awesumz the S-IV's are. I personally don't think S-IV's should be called Spartans, especially the batches we've been seeing. The only one worth the title is Buck (and that First Blood novella was just terrible).

[TurianRebel212]

lol, send all the Spartans you want after Sierra 117, he's one of only 2 Spartans to be designated "hyper lethal" and the only one alive (Noble Six was the other and was KIA in Reach). Chief will fvck up anyone that tries to kill him. Even The Arbiter of the Covenant Empire considers Chief the greatest warrior he's ever seen. Locke.... Blue team. Spartans..... ONi. Whatever, Chief will kill them all if they get in his way of his mission. 

 

 

Chief's mission has always been and always will be- 

 

 

To Protect Humanity..... No matter the cost. 

[God]

I always felt that over all ONI had a far better depiction of being a morally ambiguous organization than Cerberus as the later was often depreciated (in all three games) as mad scientist while the former got stuff done. If we were to fight ONI I'd guess it'd be a rogue faction since it'd be against the UNSC's and even ONI's interest to label MC a traitor.

 

Well, ONI might be different. Part of Halo 4 was meant to show that despite his hero status, the Master Chief was gone for years. Humanity moved on. They got their new Spartans (who rather arrogantly and ignorantly think they're equal to Master Chief, let alone any of the S-II's or S-III's).

 

Half of ONI is propaganda after all. They'd throw Chief under the bus in an instant if it meant more funding and publicity. Which is weird, since Parangosky is basically described as the most powerful human alive (at least after Lord Hood ceded his power back to the UEG).

[Drone223]

*snip*

Red team's fate is tied in with the SoF's crew so once the story of the SoF continues so will Red team's. grey team usually operates for many years without contact with the UNSC but I'd like to see more of them. Then there's Maria-062 who retried at some point to start a family but we don't know what happen to her during the battle of earth and Blue team will obviously be with MC in the next game.

[God]

lol, send all the Spartans you want after Sierra 117, he's one of only 2 Spartans to be designated "hyper lethal" and the only one alive (Noble Six was the other and was KIA in Reach). Chief will fvck up anyone that tries to kill him. Even The Arbiter of the Covenant Empire considers Chief the greatest warrior he's ever seen. Locke.... Blue team. Spartans..... ONi. Whatever, Chief will kill them all if they get in his way of his mission. 

 

 

Chief's mission has always been and always will be- 

 

 

To Protect Humanity..... No matter the cost. 

 

No Spartan II (or Spartan III I suspect) will go after the Chief, nor would he harm any S-II if he could help it. Blue Team will follow him no matter what path he takes.

 

That said, I don't consider Spartan IV's to be true Spartans. But still, I think the whole lead up 343 is doing is to show that even the Master Chief's fortune will only hold out so long. After all, 343 is trying to show that even the Spartan II's are still 'only human'. Which I disagree with.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I always felt that over all ONI had a far better depiction of being a morally ambiguous organization than Cerberus as the later was often depreciated (in all three games) as mad scientist while the former got stuff done. If we were to fight ONI I'd guess it'd be a rogue faction since it'd be against the UNSC's and even ONI's interest to label MC a traitor.

 

That morally ambiguous depiction only goes as far as the Bungie to 343i switch, however. Thereafter it became clear that there's now Mass Effect fanboys in charge of the series (O'Connor being the most obvious one), whose only experience with "moral ambiguity" might actually be Cerberus...

 

Dear Lord, what a terrifying thought.

[TurianRebel212]

If ONI sends other Spartans after Chief, I hope they remember to bring one thing.......

 

 

 

A large supply of body bags. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not joking. Apart from Noble Six, no one is even in the same league as Chief. Not even The Arbiter. 

 

 

Chief is such a BAMF that Garrus Vakarian checks his closet for Master Chief before going to bed.....

 

FACT. 

[God]

Red team's fate is tied in with the SoF's crew so once the story of the SoF continues so will Red team's. grey team usually operates for many years without contact with the UNSC but I'd like to see more of them. Then there's Maria-062 who retried at some point to start a family but we don't know what happen to her during the battle of earth and Blue team will obviously be with MC in the next game.

 

Escalation gave a hint to the Spirit of Fire's fate. It's still drifting in Space, and there's a single Flood infection form on board.

 

Grey Team has been out of contact for damn near a decade at this point, and they're a potential loose end. If I was a guessing man, they're either dead, or soon will be, especially with 343's track record. 

 

I think Maria has been largely forgotten at this point. I don't know if she was one of the II's who made it through the augs on the first run. I think she's one of the ones that got crippled but was rehabilitated at a later date. We know that ONI was able to resuscitate and repair many of the II's (on a meta-level, it's to make up for the discrepancy in the number of Spartans and their locations in the universe; for example, it's hinted that Team Black were some of the 'washout' Spartans that were clinically dead after the augmentations, only to be resuscitated and revitalized later.)

 

Blue Team has an unknown status at this point. The last we see of them was Escalation Issue #10. My guess is that they're going to be killed off one by one.

[Drone223]

Well, ONI might be different. Part of Halo 4 was meant to show that despite his hero status, the Master Chief was gone for years. Humanity moved on. They got their new Spartans (who rather arrogantly and ignorantly think they're equal to Master Chief, let alone any of the S-II's or S-III's).

 

Half of ONI is propaganda after all. They'd throw Chief under the bus in an instant if it meant more funding and publicity. Which is weird, since Parangosky is basically described as the most powerful human alive (at least after Lord Hood ceded his power back to the UEG).

Not really Throne, Ray and Buck are some of the best depicted S-IV's and only a dozen or so S-IV's (admittedly some of them are bad eggs) have been depicted out of the 500-700 S-IV's in existence so I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet.

 

As for ONI I will agree that they are trying to gain more influence than they should and the only person keeping them in cheek is Lord Hood since they don't won't to get on his bad side.

[TurianRebel212]

Locke is a ONI company man and he's being tasked to kill off Blue Team and Sierra 117, for some reason. I guess, I don't know. Maybe the Didact has something to do about it. 

 

 

 

Funny thing tho, is that The Flood and thus Gravemind are still..... Out there. 

 

 

So killing off Chief and pals seems like a real derpy idea. 

 

But ONI are such a bunch of cvnts to begin with. I wouldn't put it past them. 

[SmilesJA]

So is Palmer officially out? (I hope so but I'm skeptical.) I think Locke has the potential to be an interesting character hopefully they don't mess him up like they did with Palmer.

[God]

That morally ambiguous depiction only goes as far as the Bungie to 343i switch, however. Thereafter it became clear that there's now Mass Effect fanboys in charge of the series (O'Connor being the most obvious one), whose only experience with "moral ambiguity" might actually be Cerberus...

 

Dear Lord, what a terrifying thought.

 

O'Connor actually is one of the people I think who has it right. He's the heart and soul of the franchise at this point, but he's kind of detached from the Creative Process these days. He's the grand dad of 343, though not the head. 

 

AFAIK, he's the one who charts the general direction of the franchise, while others (some of whom are formerly members of BW) are in charge of the technical execution and writing.

[SmilesJA]

That morally ambiguous depiction only goes as far as the Bungie to 343i switch, however. Thereafter it became clear that there's now Mass Effect fanboys in charge of the series (O'Connor being the most obvious one), whose only experience with "moral ambiguity" might actually be Cerberus...

 

Dear Lord, what a terrifying thought.

 

So how long until the Star Kid shows up?

[God]

Not really Throne, Ray and Buck are some of the best depicted S-IV's and only a dozen or so S-IV's (admittedly some of them are bad eggs) have been depicted out of the 500-700 S-IV's in existence so I'm not jumping to conclusions just yet.

 

As for ONI I will agree that they are trying to gain more influence than they should and the only person keeping them in cheek is Lord Hood since they don't won't to get on his bad side.

 

They're good, but sans Buck (who I think was horribly portrayed in First Blood), they're not 'Spartan's'. I will admit that Thorne has potential, but I don't think he's ever going to be anywhere on the level of the S-II's or S-III's. Buck even acknowledges this, stating in his view that the IV's aren't on the same level as the II's or III's. 

 

I should say that as Dr. Halsey said, some of the S-IV's are closer than others when it comes to being a true Spartan. And I will say that Thorne and Buck at least are closer on the end of that spectrum than many others (think Sarah Palmer, Vladimir Scruggs, Ilsa 'Captain Crazypants' Zane, Anthony Madsen and the other surviving members of Fireteam Majestic). 

 

The only other ones that are good are Fireteam Crimson and Fireteam Shadow from SpOps. And IMO, Crimson team is actually made up of former Spartan III's that have been integrated into the IV program.

 

My Spartan-IV is even designated G-216, denoting my own created character of Spartan-216 of Gamma Company (Spartan III's). He and his team were S-III's picked out by Kurt and Mendez to be like the other III's over the years that were too valuable to waste on suicide missions (like NOBLE Team). That way, I don't have to play as some shoddy soldier playing Spartan.

[God]

So is Palmer officially out? (I hope so but I'm skeptical.) I think Locke has the potential to be an interesting character hopefully they don't mess him up like they did with Palmer.

 

She's not out, but if my hunch is correct, as of Escalation #16, she's going to be somewhat sidelined (and definitely retooled) in response to the criticism for her character.

 

She was a very polarizing figure, and Frank O'Connor admitted that they were rather surprised with how she was met with such a negative response (she routinely tops polls for most disliked Halo character these days). 

 

On the plus side, this means 343 is acknowledging a problem, and are willing to fix it. I'm of the opinion that Palmer actually has potential as a character, but that she was portrayed so horribly bad. I don't think I'll ever like her character (she checks too many boxes on my list of personal pet peeves), but I won't think she's a terrible character outside the universe as well as in it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

So how long until the Star Kid shows up?

 

"Oh, I'm the strangest thing you've seen all day?"

[Drone223]

O'Connor actually is one of the people I think who has it right. He's the heart and soul of the franchise at this point, but he's kind of detached from the Creative Process these days. He's the grand dad of 343, though not the head. 

 

AFAIK, he's the one who charts the general direction of the franchise, while others (some of whom are formerly members of BW) are in charge of the technical execution and writing.

He isn't, Corrinne Robinson is the franchise manager see 1:30

 

[God]

He is. 

 

I never said he was the franchise manager. He's the franchise development director. 

 

He's the guy in charge of the overall universe, the loremaster so to speak.

[Steelcan]

I wonder if I'll even get this game

I don't like what they've done with the universe, I don't like what they've done with the gameplay, and MCC was a disgrace at how buggy and blotchy it was last time I tried to play it.

The newest comics and books have done nothing to steer the universe back onto a path I like.

[Cunning Villain]

343 seem to have fixed the matchmaking for the MCC, at least. I haven't had any problems recently; other than fellow players voting to play Halo 3 and 4 over Halo 2 in BTB.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I wonder if I'll even get this game

I don't like what they've done with the universe, I don't like what they've done with the gameplay, and MCC was a disgrace at how buggy and blotchy it was last time I tried to play it.

The newest comics and books have done nothing to steer the universe back onto a path I like.

 

My opinion entirely.

 

It's like that awkward interval between ME2 and ME3 in almost every way; the inevitable trainwreck you know is coming, but still feel compelled to get onto for old times' sake.

 

I honestly want H5 to be something I want to get, but there's no possible way that's the case with 343i not only having ran the train off the cliff, but actually doubling down on everything they've done and then some.

[SmilesJA]

I wonder if I'll even get this game

I don't like what they've done with the universe, I don't like what they've done with the gameplay, and MCC was a disgrace at how buggy and blotchy it was last time I tried to play it.

The newest comics and books have done nothing to steer the universe back onto a path I like.

 

What did they do to the universe that caused you to dislike it?

[Drone223]

That said, I don't consider Spartan IV's to be true Spartans. But still, I think the whole lead up 343 is doing is to show that even the Master Chief's fortune will only hold out so long. After all, 343 is trying to show that even the Spartan II's are still 'only human'. Which I disagree with.

MC and the S-II's for that matter have always been human its just that with the death of Cortana chief has began to realize that.

[God]

I wonder if I'll even get this game

I don't like what they've done with the universe, I don't like what they've done with the gameplay, and MCC was a disgrace at how buggy and blotchy it was last time I tried to play it.

The newest comics and books have done nothing to steer the universe back onto a path I like.

 

SP was unaffected. MP wasn't very good, but that's not necessarily an issue. 

 

What exactly do you not like about the universe's direction? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing (yet), I just want to hear your thoughts.

[God]

MC and the S-II's for that matter have always been human its just that with the death of Cortana chief has began to realize that.

 

They're post-humans who have been trained and taken from the get-go to be something fundamentally different to baseline humans. They're as close to machines as you're likely to get with a biological being. Even Cortana, an artificial entity, calls out Chief for being too much of a robot. 

 

Spartan II's, especially Master Chief, are more or less incapable of losing their cool or 'breaking'.