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[Mordokai]

I would suspect(and only my guess) that she didn't tell anyone because the people she knows on the SR1, she built up a frendship with them and didn't want to jeopardize losing those friendships.

 

And that's bad why? But there's also what zestalyn posted. It's kinda cruel bringing people's hopes up, when you can't know for sure you'll be able to deliver.

 

Looting and body mutilation is actually a serious crime and while you might not care, your friends and family might think otherwise.

 

The body mutilation came from... where exactly?

 

I highly recommend watching the romanced version, she flat out admits it.

 

As for the second part, I literally have no idea what you're talking about? Are you saying Kaidan wouldn't have believed Liara? Your logic is more than unsound, it is completely AWOL

 

No, I don't want to see her more. You're missing the entire point of the conversation: We constantly have a weak, ineffective Shadow Broker thrust into our face as the canon bestie. There are two problems (1.) She's terrible as Shadow Broker and 2.) She gets too much screen time, that aren't exclusive. That's all

 

Number one: so she admits to being jealous? Heaven forbid, we have a character with a weakness"

 

Number two: I'm saying neither of VS would leave Shepard's corpse in Cerberus's possession. Which once again leads to Lazarus failure, which is, you know... kinda bad for survival of every sapient being.

 

Number three: wrong on both counts.

 

Not only total supposition, but massively poor logic. 

 

Then prove me wrong. Please.

[Barquiel]

Do I constantly post meaningless memes/gifs of muh waifu? No, if anything I post reaction gifs and those at least contain an actual joke.

 

Yes, you are contantly posting meaningless memes/gifs, which is a lot more annoying than posting pictures of Mass Effect characters...in a Mass Effect discussion forum (be it Liara or someone else).

[Sir DeLoria]

Yes, you are contantly posting meaningless memes/gifs, which is a lot more annoying than posting pictures of Mass Effect characters...in a Mass Effect discussion forum (be it Liara or someone else).

Reaction gifs and memes are neutral, they don't offend anyone and like I said, they're usually actually funny(or at least are intended to be).

Spamming creepy fan art and gifs of an already polarized character bating their eyes is neither funny nor neutral.

But hey, defend it all you want, I don't care. If you want people to dislike your fanbase and/or favorite character, then please continue

[Sir DeLoria]

 
The body mutilation came from... where exactly?
 

They're both in the same category of crime. Wether a soldier strips the body of an enemy naked or carves it up, there's not a big difference, you're defiling the body either way and sadly both usually go hand in hand with each other.

Sure, Liara didn't mutilate Shep's body, but what she did is not much better.

[Barquiel]

Reaction gifs and memes are neutral, they don't offend anyone and like I said, they're usually actually funny(or at least are intended to be).

Spamming creepy fan art and gifs of an already polarized character bating their eyes is neither funny nor neutral.

But hey, defend it all you want, I don't care. If you want people to dislike your fanbase and/or favorite character, then please continue

 
...says the Talimancer

And if you're offended by harmless fanart (this isn't exactly rule34 stuff)...that's your problem, really.

[themikefest]

And that's bad why? But there's also what zestalyn posted. It's kinda cruel bringing people's hopes up, when you can't know for sure you'll be able to deliver.

 

Isn't cruel not to tell Shepard's mother? Again, what right does she have not to tell his/her mother?

[Sir DeLoria]

...says the Talimancer

What does that have to do with anything? And I don't shove it in anyone's face, last time I ever said anything was months ago.

And if you're offended by harmless fanart (this isn't exactly rule34 stuff)...that's your problem, really.

I'm sorry, but this stuff is just seriously weird. Pics of a character in lingerie and ambigous positions belong in a private group and not spammed all over the place.

And no one is offended, but a lot of people are annoyed.

[Mordokai]

They're both in the same category of crime. Wether a soldier strips the body of an enemy naked or carves it up, there's not a big difference, you're defiling the body either way and sadly both usually go hand in hand with each other.

Sure, Liara didn't mutilate Shep's body, but what she did is not much better.

 

So wait, we're counting malicious intent?

 

If that is the case, I'm pretty sure Liara can be given a pass on pretty much all charges. Say what you will about her, but I think we can at least agree she would never do anything harmful to Shepard.

 

I don't shove that in anyone's face, last time I ever said anything was months ago.


I'm sorry, but this stuff is just seriously weird. And no one is offended, but a lot of people are annoyed.

 

So, people who don't like Liara get the right to be offended by her fans posting something favorable for Liara, but Liara fans don't get the right to be annoyed when everybody with five minutes of spare time gets to crap on her?

 

 
...says the Talimancer

And if you're offended by harmless fanart (this isn't exactly rule34 stuff)...that's your problem, really.

 

Oh boy, lets not go into rule34. I've seen what comes of it and truly, that way lies madness.

 

Isn't cruel not to tell Shepard's mother? Again, what right does she have not to tell his/her mother?

 

I prefer to think of it as pragmatic.

 

Would you tell a woman who's child has just died that she might see them alive again, but knowing you can't deliver on that promise, only to break her hearth again days/weeks/month/years later? Or would you rather keep it silent, knowing you can do it when/if the project is successful?

[Barquiel]

If you think it's against the rules, report it. Simple as that.

 

If it isn't against the rules, you simply have to deal with it (just like we had to deal with your "neutral/funny" gifs and the bashing in the Liara fan thread). Alternatively, you can use the ignore list (just like I do).

[Coming0fShadows]

I dont think Liara knows Shepard's mother, so it wouldn't make sense for her to include a unknown variable into a already tense situation. Thats not how it happened I'm sure though, its probably because Bioware didn't have time to think about something like that.

You can really nitpick every single character and event to death if you want, because a handful of writers cant think of everything the thousands of players will.

[Mordokai]

If you think it's against the rules, report it. Simple as that.

 

And then there's that. There's that handy little yellow button in the lower left corner of each post...

 

I'm told it does wonders.

[wolfhowwl]

The real reason Liara kept Tali's feelings from Shepard is that they didn't actually exist in ME1.

 

This is just BioWare trying to retroactively prop up a romance they added for the fans and make it feel less...forced or contrived.

 

If anything people should be grateful that the writers went to such lengths.

[themikefest]

 

I prefer to think of it as pragmatic.

 

Would you tell a woman who's child has just died that she might see them alive again, but knowing you can't deliver on that promise, only to break her hearth again days/weeks/month/years later? Or would you rather keep it silent, knowing you can do it when/if the project is successful?

I would tell the mother that I gave her child to a group that said there is a possibility that her child might be brought back to life. I would also tell her that its not  a guarantee that it would work.

[KaiserShep]

Isn't cruel not to tell Shepard's mother? Again, what right does she have not to tell his/her mother?

 

Honestly, if I was contributing to an initiative like the Lazarus Project, I would tell as few people as possible, including a high ranking officer in the Alliance. The way I see it, it's better for Hanna Shepard to presume her son/daughter died in the attack, than to be told of this weird new anti-death voodoo that may or may not even work for the next couple years or so.

I don't really see the cruelty in this, because in telling her, your chances of causing her greater distress are much higher.

[themikefest]

Honestly, if I was contributing to an initiative like the Lazarus Project, I would tell as few people as possible, including a high ranking officer in the Alliance. The way I see it, it's better for Hanna Shepard to presume her son/daughter died in the attack, than to be told of this weird new anti-death voodoo that may or may not even work for the next couple years or so.

For you maybe.

 

I asked my mother what she would do. She told me she would ask why she wasn't told and then use the shotgun that I bought her last year to kill that person

 

This is the question I asked her.

If someone I was close to or in a relationship with and that individual gave my body to a group that might be able to bring me back to life without telling you, what would you do?

[KaiserShep]

I'd say nothing. What they find out after that is up to the person being brought back, assuming he/she ever is.

 

The truth is that a parent, or at least a parent that cares, is going to be stressed the f*ck out no matter what. Basically, what she doesn't know doesn't hurt her. If it's cruel, it's at least cruelty that she's unaware of. Funny thing is, in the end, Hanna Shepard ends up suspecting or believing outright that it was some kind of top secret mission involving the Commander.

[Mordokai]

If anything people should be grateful that the writers went to such lengths.

 

But you know... it's easier to complain.

 

I would tell the mother that I gave her child to a group that said there is a possibility that her child might be brought back to life. I would also tell her that its not  a guarantee that it would work.

 

Good on you. I'd keep my traps shut, if nothing else, because I'd likely be embarrassed I did something like that.

[Ryriena]

I am another that thinks the Liara pictures just adds fuel too the fire. Deliora pictures make sense to the tread like a reaction to said comment and are funny. However, the Liara pictures in an already heated topic is not the way to go about defended said character. I don't go on a Kaidan is a whiner thread and post random fan art of said character. I actually defend said character. I do the same with Alastair. When someone try's to defend Loghain's actions by saying Alastair is too whiny about his past. In other words, my point is that this makes people hate on the character more because it shows us that the character's fans are immature. However, when someone can use words in a debate to defend said character you gain respect from more people by actually talking too the haters.

[themikefest]

 

Good on you. I'd keep my traps shut, if nothing else, because I'd likely be embarrassed I did something like that.

So the one that suffers the most would be that mother. If you're embarassed that you did something like that, than don't give the body to that group.

[KaiserShep]

So the one that suffers the most would be that mother. If you're embarassed that you did something like that, than don't give the body to that group.

 

The fact of the matter is that the mother is already suffering. She is dealing with the loss of her son/daughter. At the time Shepard's body is given to Cerberus, there is simply no guarantee that it will work. So, the question is, which option has less of a chance of adding on to her grief: telling her that her son/daughter may be brought back, thereby leaving her hanging for possibly years on end, or being told nothing, and being allowed to think that he/she is simply MIA, presumed killed in the attack?

 

The former runs the risk of possibly waiting far more than just 2 years, and if the project failed, being left in the dark indefinitely, as this would all depend on whether or not Cerberus cares enough to keep anyone posted.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

One of the best displays of her development was the way she was introduced in each game.

 

ME1: Completely helpless and needs shepard to save her.

 

ME2: Threatens to flay someone alive with her mind.

 

ME3: Ejects two trained soldiers's brains out of the back of their heads.

What Trained soldier? you mean those cerberus fodders? you know they're just random civilians controlled by reaper tech.

[themikefest]

The fact of the matter is that the mother is already suffering. She is dealing with the loss of her son/daughter. At the time Shepard's body is given to Cerberus, there is simply no guarantee that it will work. So, the question is, which option has less of a chance of adding on to her grief: telling her that her son/daughter may be brought back, thereby leaving her hanging for possibly years on end, or being told nothing, and being allowed to think that he/she is simply MIA, presumed killed in the attack?

 

The former runs the risk of possibly waiting far more than just 2 years, and if the project failed, being left in the dark indefinitely, as this would all depend on whether or not Cerberus cares enough to keep anyone posted.

Again. What gives Liara the right to not inform Shepard's mother?  I'd prefer to let Shepard's mother know ASAP. And just remind her that its not a guarantee it will work.

[dreamgazer]

You're talking about resurrecting a body from the dead here. Just a reminder.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

For you maybe.

 

I asked my mother what she would do. She told me she would ask why she wasn't told and then use the shotgun that I bought her last year to kill that person

 

This is the question I asked her.

If someone I was close to or in a relationship with and that individual gave my body to a group that might be able to bring me back to life without telling you, what would you do?

So what you're saying it would have been better to raise someone's hope about a project that probably wasn't even sure to work?

[Oni Changas]