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[Supremocognito]

No one seems to remember Legion takes a piece of Shepard's armor and continues to explore the galaxy for 2 years before meeting up with Shepard.

From what I gather, Liara acquired Shepard's armor once she delivered Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard's armor would probably be deposed by Cerberus, if Liara didn't take it, as it was trashed. Liara probably took it as a memento of Shepard, in case Cerberus wasn't able to resurrect Shepard, as Miranda wasn't looking too optimistic about it being successful.

[Barquiel]

Whether or not you're under legal authority, a parent is the next of kin if the person is unmarried. Legally, unless specified in a living will or DNR, the next of kin has medical rights. Which, doesn't apply in fiction, but nonetheless. 

 

I think it's pretty telling that you cannot even for one moment, see any other side to the argument than your own. Which is why I think you're a little biased on the situation. As I said, I can certainly understand if Liara is your significant other, but it's a bit "broken window" not to acknowledge that for someone who really didn't give a flip about Liara, would be perfectly fine with having her decide anything of that priority. 

 

I can't speak for my own parents and I certainly wouldn't speak for anyone else's, but I don't think you'd find too many who would disagree that if there was a major medical decision to be made that would affect their child's entire life--adult or otherwise--and a casual friend stepped in and not only over-ruled them, but didn't even consult them before making the decision for them....it would be some bloodshed going on. It would be completely unacceptable. After seeing Dr. Frankenstein's portfolio, I wouldn't take my dead kid to him and be like, "Hey, I know that last one didn't work out so well, give this one a shot!" So, I absolutely wouldn't want someone else to do it.

 

I understand if it's a lover. I mean, you discussed the future, you're invested in their lives. Their future is your future, so on and so on. But a friend? A casual friend? I mean, I love my co-worker. I would do anything for him. Maybe even donate an organ to save him. If he died, wouldn't drive him over to Pet Cemetery and think, "Well, don't know if he is coming out good or bad, but let's chuck him in anyway! Least he'll be alive!"

 

Liara is rather sceptical of the Lazarus project. She only agreed to help TIM because he mentioned that the collectors are looking for Shepards body...but she didn't know that Cerberus wants to ressurect Shepard at this point of the story (L: I don't understand, if Shepard is dead, what would you want with a corpse)

After Liara brought Shepard back Miranda tells her that Cerberus wants to revive Shepard. To which Liara responded, "Then I don't see the point, Miranda. Maybe I don't know what human traditions are ... But I really think you should let the dead rest.This isn't what I brought Shepard back for."

But what exactly is she supposed to do at this point? She had to make a decision (and I doubt Cerberus would have accepted a "no")

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 It's this nasty combination of overexposure and forced-friendship(-bordering-on-romance).

[dreamgazer]

Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but Shepard's resurrection itself is partly why I'm not a big fan of Liara. Liara, rightly or wrongly, has become the figurehead of Shepard's resurrection. Which, IMO, is the most disturbingly narcissistic plot point possible. I respect Liara's accomplishments in the ME trilogy, but I desperately wish it had been written differently. Call me crazy, but I wish Shepard had stayed dead and the ME trilogy starred three separate protagonists.

While I also think Shepard's death and resurrection wasn't handled too well, Miranda seems like much more of the "figurehead" to me than Liara.

[KaiserShep]

Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but Shepard's resurrection itself is partly why I'm not a big fan of Liara. Liara, rightly or wrongly, has become the figurehead of Shepard's resurrection. Which, IMO, is the most disturbingly narcissistic plot point possible. I respect Liara's accomplishments in the ME trilogy, but I desperately wish it had been written differently. Call me crazy, but I wish Shepard had stayed dead and the ME trilogy starred three separate protagonists.

I think it would've been much better and simpler to ditch the entire Lazarus bit altogether and just have the Normandy be destroyed by the Collectors.

 

I think that the best way to have the separate protagonists would simply be to kill the reaper plot at the end of ME1, and let the new protagonist have some other storyline. I don't really trust BioWare to handle three story lines converging into one at the end.

[Deebo305]

Shes no Miranda but I like her so....HATERS GONNA HATE

[KBomb]

Liara is rather sceptical of the Lazarus project. She only agreed to help TIM because he mentioned that the collectors are looking for Shepards body...but she didn't know that Cerberus wants to ressurect Shepard at this point of the story (L: I don't understand, if Shepard is dead, what would you want with a corpse)

After Liara brought Shepard back Miranda tells her that Cerberus wants to revive Shepard. To which Liara responded, "Then I don't see the point, Miranda. Maybe I don't know what human traditions are ... But I really think you should let the dead rest.This isn't what I brought Shepard back for."

But what exactly is she supposed to do at this point? She had to make a decision (and I doubt Cerberus would have accepted a "no")

You missed the point I was making. Most people wonder why this was tasked to Liara specifically. The whole point of her being forced into such an important role above anyone else in Shepard's life. If you're romancing her, it probably wouldn't come off as creepy. If you aren't and never interacted much with her--it comes off as a weird position for her to take. Which is why a lot of people see as simple favoritism. Liara needed her own story for some reason and this was the perfect way to implement it, regardless of her relationship with Shepard. Devil's Advocate could be that all Shepard's other companions could die in ME2, so it had to be her. Other's may say that they could have easily just had someone from Cerberus take his body, after all, we're not privy to those events.

 

Also, no matter how skeptical she was, or how wrong she initially viewed it, she allowed Miranda to take him because she couldn't let him go. Full circle, again.

 

The whole thing was handled poorly. I honestly have nothing against Liara. I used her whenever I thought her abilities would be useful and I considered her and my Shepard friends. I don't really care one way or another. That doesn't mean that I can't understand why some would think it weird that Liara was the "chosen one", or why she had Shepard's armor on display like it was a another part of her collection, or why she won't give Shepard back his dog tags if he doesn't invite her aboard the Normandy (furthermore, why she has them in the first place), etc. etc. 

[KBomb]

No one seems to remember Legion takes a piece of Shepard's armor and continues to explore the galaxy for 2 years before meeting up with Shepard.

From what I gather, Liara acquired Shepard's armor once she delivered Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard's armor would probably be deposed by Cerberus, if Liara didn't take it, as it was trashed. Liara probably took it as a memento of Shepard, in case Cerberus wasn't able to resurrect Shepard, as Miranda wasn't looking too optimistic about it being successful.

I found Legion wearing Shepard's armor weird, too. At least you get to ask him wtf is up with it. Also, afaik, it wasn't any "dead" armor. Just a broken piece he found somewhere. (I could be wrong about this. Do you have a link that says Legion had "dead Shepard's armor"?) 

 

I don't think it ever states where Liara got the armor, but I will assume you're right. Still bizarre, considering I am sure there were dozens of other forget-me-nots she could have acquired. I mean, this isn't something she kept in a safe. She had it on display like an artifact in her living room--right next to other artifacts she collected in her career. Almost as if they wanted to tell the player, "See how much she adores Shepard!"

[KaiserShep]

Legion specifically tells Shepard that the N7 armor was his/hers. The piece is rather substantial though.

[KBomb]

Legion specifically tells Shepard that the N7 armor was his/hers. The piece is rather substantial though.

I know it's Shepard's. There was never a question about that. I simply wanted to know if Legion ever said where he found the armor because I genuinely don't remember if that was ever stated.

[Farangbaa]

There's no indication anywhere Liara pried Shep's armor from his body. 

 

That's pure headcanon by the haters, who then proceed to call her creepy.

 

What a joke.

[Supremocognito]

I found Legion wearing Shepard's armor weird, too. At least you get to ask him wtf is up with it. Also, afaik, it wasn't any "dead" armor. Just a broken piece he found somewhere. (I could be wrong about this. Do you have a link that says Legion had "dead Shepard's armor"?) 

 

I don't think it ever states where Liara got the armor, but I will assume you're right. Still bizarre, considering I am sure there were dozens of other forget-me-nots she could have acquired. I mean, this isn't something she kept in a safe. She had it on display like an artifact in her living room--right next to other artifacts she collected in her career. Almost as if they wanted to tell the player, "See how much she adores Shepard!"

 

Video explains how Legion aquired the armor.

 

Liara becomes very conflicted as she turns Shepard over to Cerberus after hearing the likelihood of success. Liara possibly got the armor when she the transferd Shepard to Cerberus from the Redemption comic. At least that's what I gathered and is the most logical time.

[Drone223]

There's no indication anywhere Liara pried Shep's armor from his body.

That's pure headcanon by the haters, who then proceed to call her creepy.

What a joke.

Except for the fact she was the one who recovered the body from the shadow broker and its isn't really far fetched that she took a peice of Shaprds armor. So it's quite understandable to see it as disturbing especially if she isn't Shepards LI or Shepard had little to no interaction with her.

Modifié par Drone223, 27 juin 2014 - 08:48 .

[KBomb]

There's no indication anywhere Liara pried Shep's armor from his body. 

 

That's pure headcanon by the haters, who then proceed to call her creepy.

 

What a joke.

Not everyone said that, yet still found it creepy. Not only that, they also stated why. You go ahead and chalk it up to "haters gonna hate" though. Everyone knows that is the best non-defensive way to argue without having to discuss. Deflection is the key! Seriously though, headcannon is the wrong word to use. One can assume she took it from his body, or received it after it was removed from his body. She had to get it from someplace. I doubt it showed up on her doorstep in an unmarked box.

 

Legion: "We visited Therum. Feros. Noveria. Ilos. A dozen unsettled worlds. The trail ended at the Normandy's wreckage."

 

In ME2 the the Normandy's wreckage was found on the planet Alchera.http://masseffect.wi...te_(assignment)

Thanks for the answer. They can't be from the same armor though. Don't both pieces have N7 on them? 

[Farangbaa]

Not everyone said that, yet still found it creepy. Not only that, they also stated why. You go ahead and chalk it up to "haters gonna hate" though. Everyone knows that is the best non-defensive way to argue without having to discuss. Deflection is the key! Seriously though, headcannon is the wrong word to use. One can assume she took it from his body, or received it after it was removed from his body. She had to get it from someplace. I doubt it showed up on her doorstep in an unmarked box.

 

You know damn well what I mean. The haters love to paint the picture that a moaning Liara pried the armor from Shepard's corpse, bloody fingers, drool running from her mouth while contemplating acts of necrophilia. Which is pure headcanon.

 

And again, for the gazillionth time: there's nothing creepy about having the armor of the savior of the Citadel on display.

[KaiserShep]

I don't believe both pieces have N7 on it. The one we see in Liara's case seems to be mainly the back of the torso, whereas Legion only has a bit of the front and the shoulder guard assembly.

 

Anyway, I don't see what the big deal is. It's just a piece of combat equipment. Whether it's a piece of the torso protection or the helmet doesn't really make much of a difference.

[KBomb]

You know damn well what I mean. The haters love to paint the picture that a moaning Liara pried the armor from Shepard's corpse, bloody fingers, drool running from her mouth while contemplating acts of necrophilia. Which is pure headcanon.

 

And again, for the gazillionth time: there's nothing creepy about having the armor of the savior of the Citadel on display.

You have to make up things those with an opposing opinion say, so that your argument fits? Then you call it headcanon? Lol I haven't read that from anyone other than you. Just now. 

 

And for the gazillionth time! It is creepy when it isn't a collector or a museum or an archive that has it on display. At least, it is creepy to some. It's called an opinion. And not a "made up" one. A real one. Not everyone loves her to the moon and back, so they might be uncomfortable with it.

 

Also, why are you so angry? lol Just because they don't love/adore/worship her, doesn't take away your love for her. It's still safe in your heart. And your heart will go on and on.

[KBomb]

If Liara did recover Shep's armor and dog tags from Alchera(I'm not saying she did). My question would be "Why didn't you recover anyone else's dog tags?"

 

Oh right, the whole "Shepard's the messiah thing". YUCK!!!

Admiral Hackett recovered Shepard's tags somehow and sought Liara out and gave them to her to return to Shepard--which she only does if you invite her back to the Normandy. If you don't, I guess she keeps them on display, too. 

[KaiserShep]

I forgot about that. Well that just raises even more questions. How the hell does Hackett get them? I have this feeling that Hackett makes a lot of shady deals with people throughout the galaxy, evidenced also by the Alliance's dealings with the warlord Darius in ME1.

[KaiserShep]

Hackett probably likes to keep in touch with contacts within Cerberus. I mean, look at what he says or does in ME2 and 3. He freely boards a Cerberus vessel to debrief the Commander, and then in ME3, he talks to Shepard about Cerberus as if they have some kind of PR department when Shepard's mission on Benning is concluded, since he claims that they are officially denying having any part in the abduction of colonists.