Hackett probably likes to keep in touch with contacts within Cerberus. I mean, look at what he says or does in ME2 and 3. He freely boards a Cerberus vessel to debrief the Commander, and then in ME3, he talks to Shepard about Cerberus as if they have some kind of PR department when Shepard's mission on Benning is concluded.
You know, I always thought the same about Hackett. Not in a bad way, but just an acknowledgement.
You have to make up things those with an opposing opinion say, so that your argument fits? Then you call it headcanon? Lol I haven't read that from anyone other than you. Just now.
And for the gazillionth time! It is creepy when it isn't a collector or a museum or an archive that has it on display. At least, it is creepy to some. It's called an opinion. And not a "made up" one. A real one. Not everyone loves her to the moon and back, so they might be uncomfortable with it.
Also, why are you so angry? lol Just because they don't love/adore/worship her, doesn't take away your love for her. It's still safe in your heart. And your heart will go on and on.
I'm not making things up. That's the entire point, people are making things up to make Liara look bad. That's headcanon, there's nothing in the comics nor the game about Liara taking it off Shep's body.
Liara's appartment kinda is a museum, isn't it? At the very least the home of a collector... unless everybody has Prothean tech and art of Ilos in their living room.
And aren't you just a hilarious piece of work. You start of by saying I need to make up things to get my point across, and then you proceed to get your point across by trying to paint me off as someone who's in love with a video game character.
Damn, better inform my girlfriend she has competition.
Oh, you know Liara is wearing a piece of the abdominal portion of the armor under her own, and when no one is looking, she strokes it, ever so tenderly. It practically makes one's azure quiver to think about.
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Hackett probably likes to keep in touch with contacts within Cerberus. I mean, look at what he says or does in ME2 and 3. He freely boards a Cerberus vessel to debrief the Commander, and then in ME3, he talks to Shepard about Cerberus as if they have some kind of PR department when Shepard's mission on Benning is concluded, since he claims that they are officially denying having any part in the abduction of colonists.
What if Liara and Hackett are the same person? Do you ever see them together? It is implied that Asari can manipulate minds.
By the way, I mean this mostly in jest.
That kind of goes to my idea that the asari's true form is some kind of weird squid-like creature, much like the thermians of Galaxy Quest, and use their perception-altering abilities to make everyone else in the galaxy perceive them as blue women.
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That kind of goes to my idea that the asari's true form is some kind of weird squid-like creature, much like the thermians of Galaxy Quest, and use their perception-altering abilities to make everyone else in the galaxy perceive them as blue women.
Dear Shepard, they'd be unstoppable!
Oh, you know Liara is wearing a piece of the abdominal portion of the armor under her own, and when no one is looking, she strokes it, ever so tenderly. It practically makes one's azure quiver to think about.
I lol'd.
I'm not making things up. That's the entire point, people are making things up to make Liara look bad. That's headcanon, there's nothing in the comics nor the game about Liara taking it off Shep's body.
Liara's appartment kinda is a museum, isn't it? At the very least the home of a collector... unless everybody has Prothean tech and art of Ilos in their living room.
And aren't you just a hilarious piece of work. You start of by saying I need to make up things to get my point across, and then you proceed to get your point across by trying to paint me off as someone who's in love with a video game character.
Damn, better inform my girlfriend she has competition.
What exactly are they making up? They assume she got the armor from his body because it's a logical conclusion. Between Shepard's fast-travel-planet landing, only a few people had charge of his body. I don't think the Shadow Broker gave it to her. I don't see Miranda being the sentimental type enough to say, "Oh Li-Li, take this armor and display it. I know how much you love Shep." So, it's more likely than not she took it from him or dumpster dived it.
As far as her apartment being a museum, she either took his armor for collection purposes, which in my opinion is bizarre. Or she took it because she loves him and displayed it like a museum piece so she could gaze lovingly at it everyday....also bizarre. Verdict: Either way, imo, it's bizarre. Okay, you don't think it's creepy. Cool. That is how opinions work. Funny ole' world, innit?
You don't love her, yet you're very angry someone doesn't share your opinion on her and you're accusing people of making up lies to make Liara "look bad". Okay. Sure. Seems legit. Sorry I implied anything of the sort.
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I mostly dislike the idea of big standout characters period, when this really worked better as an ensemble story. Most of the characters were pretty good and deserved the attention Liara they got.
But they did get that in Citadel. It's just unfortunate it wasn't possible in the original story.
Mass Effect tries to do two conflicting things.. Kind of tries to be like a movie plot, with central characters. Like Star Wars has it's Luke, Leia, and Han. Yet at the same time, ME tries to be an RPG that allows you customize your team and pick who your favorite central characters are. It falls short on the latter in ME3.
No one seems to remember Legion takes a piece of Shepard's armor and continues to explore the galaxy for 2 years before meeting up with Shepard.
From what I gather, Liara acquired Shepard's armor once she delivered Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard's armor would probably be deposed by Cerberus, if Liara didn't take it, as it was trashed. Liara probably took it as a memento of Shepard, in case Cerberus wasn't able to resurrect Shepard, as Miranda wasn't looking too optimistic about it being successful.
As already mentioned, it's only a very small minority who complains about this anyway. Just look at the various review or discussion threads on BSN or other sites when LotSB was released. Nobody complained about the armor. On the contrary, people loved exploring Liara's apartment.
As already mentioned, it's only a very small minority who complains about this anyway. Just look at the various review or discussion threads on BSN or other sites when LotSB was released. Nobody complained about the armor. On the contrary, people loved exploring Liara's apartment.
There are a lot of hits for Liara is creepy, though. I wonder why that is.
Anyway, I don't think greater than/lesser than invalidates opinions. If two out of ten people hate chocolate---two people still hate chocolate.
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Liara is definitely popular. There's no denying that.
But it's a game about SPACE. In the spirit of that, I'd prefer expansive, not tightly focused.
It also has one of the biggest teams in all of Bioware games. It's a shame to squander that and assume everyone wants to be best friends with only one or two of them.
Tired of liara being Shoved down my throat she gets her own dlc just so you can romance her. She gets put back on my team right away in me3 and i have to take her on ashes dlc and thessia. Im glad me4 is a new story no more liara in my team.
There is no proof that someone gave the armor or she found the armor just as I have no proof that she took it off the body. Unforunately I don't have the option of asking her that question. Until there is a definite answer I will guess she did take it off the body. And even if she didn't, its still gives her no right to put it in a glass case and display it like its some kind of trophy. Wouldn't having an image of Shepard be sufficent? And me being a hater and seeing that armor on display my first guess is she has serious head problems.
The dogtags I don't understand. She gives a really lame story of how Hackett acquired them and for some reason gave them to her? Again I don't get the opportunity of asking why he gave the tags to her. Why? What's wrong with giving the tags to Shepard's mother? Or give them to Anderson? Or to Ashley/Kaidan if they're Shepard's LI? What makes her more important than those people?
There are a lot of hits for Liara is creepy, though. I wonder why that is.
Anyway, I don't think greater than/lesser than invalidates opinions. If two out of ten people hate chocolate---two people still hate chocolate.
There's no denying that Liara is a very polarizing character. Her exposure (or overexposure) makes this sort of thing inevitable. The fact that she can only die if you take the galaxy down with her only makes that a bit worse (or better), but it does make for some amusing forum exchanges.
Even as one who really likes this character, the hug is pretty problematic, but only because this encounter only varies between hug and passionate kiss. I hope that the next Mass Effect has more flags for the way the PC interacts with companions, because getting them angry or upset enough to leave you for good, like Dragon Age, makes for some satisfying replays.
Because some people are really REALLY obsessed with her. Just look in any thread with Liara in the title. You always find the same few people: Oh, Liara is sooooo creepy. She has a part of Shepards old armor. Stalker!!!!! As I see it, Liara simply keeps a memento that reminds her of Shepard. We know it is not unusual for an asari to keep mementos. The armor is a relic from Shepards battles. Shepard is the saviour of the galaxy keeping his armor is the equivalent of having the space age Excalibur. Nothing creepy.
Anyway, my point was, that I doubt the vast majority of Mass Effect players make such a big deal about this or some harmless hug. That's why I mentioned the review threads for LotSB, which are a better indicator of what non-hardcore fans think about the DLC or, specifically, Liara's apartment.
You're right, some people are obsessed with her. You're also right that it is the same few people. If someone mentions how they feel about Liara and it does not contain the words, "love" "blue babies", etc. ,a lynch mob is formed and they are set upon as if they're killing puppies.
Again, some seem to think that because they say, "It is not creepy because I don't think it is!" is going to magically have someone think, "You know what? You're completely right! I see the light! It doesn't creep me out at all!"
I mean, this is a thread asking why people hate her. Why is anyone surprised that someone posts reasons why they hate her? I am going to use the same logic as the Liara fans use when someone posts something negative in their thread. If you like her, why post in a thread where you know the majority of posters don't?
There's no denying that Liara is a very polarizing character. Her exposure (or overexposure) makes this sort of thing inevitable. The fact that she can only die if you take the galaxy down with her only makes that a bit worse (or better), but it does make for some amusing forum exchanges.
Even as one who really likes this character, the hug is pretty problematic, but only because this encounter only varies between hug and passionate kiss. I hope that the next Mass Effect has more flags for the way the PC interacts with companions, because getting them angry or upset enough to leave you for good, like Dragon Age, makes for some satisfying replays.
Doesn't help either that she's by far the most powerful companion in.. every game.
ME3 is the best in that aspect, because that game makes anything work. Ashley + James + Soldier Shep? Not a problem.
It's just way less of a problem with Liara 
In ME1 she's pretty much mandatory on Insanity unless you're playing an Adept yourself.
In ME2 she has stasis. Stasis is 'broken'
You're right, some people are obsessed with her. You're also right that it is the same few people. If someone mentions how they feel about Liara and it does not contain the words, "love" "blue babies", etc. ,a lynch mob is formed and they are set upon as if they're killing puppies.
Again, some seem to think that because they say, "It is not creepy because I don't think it is!" is going to magically have someone think, "You know what? You're completely right! I see the light! It doesn't creep me out at all!"
I mean, this is a thread asking why people hate her. Why is anyone surprised that someone posts reasons why they hate her? I am going to use the same logic as the Liara fans use when someone posts something negative in their thread. If you like her, why post in a thread where you know the majority of posters don't?
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I think the root of the hate is that these games works best with her in a special role. If you try to play another way or don't like her, then she comes off strange. If you try to avoid her or view things differently, then it's sort of like fitting a square peg in a round hole. It doesn't work. It's frustrating.
Some people didn't just want to partake in a story like other single player games. And be told who or what to like. They wanted a part in creating a story as well. But Liara is basically the writers saying.. "No, no. You were wrong. This is actually our story. You're just going to have to deal with it this way." And people end up resenting that.
I've stood back from ME long enough that I don't even care anymore. It is what it is. I used to get annoyed myself, but this is how I used to view it at least.
No one seems to remember Legion takes a piece of Shepard's armor and continues to explore the galaxy for 2 years before meeting up with Shepard.
From what I gather, Liara acquired Shepard's armor once she delivered Shepard to Cerberus. Shepard's armor would probably be deposed by Cerberus, if Liara didn't take it, as it was trashed. Liara probably took it as a memento of Shepard, in case Cerberus wasn't able to resurrect Shepard, as Miranda wasn't looking too optimistic about it being successful.
They do: Shepard can ask about it. More importantly, Joker mentions it in the third game as "creepy" (It's a cutscene, talk to Joker/EDI after Priority: Geth Dreadnought)
I'm not making things up. That's the entire point, people are making things up to make Liara look bad. That's headcanon, there's nothing in the comics nor the game about Liara taking it off Shep's body.
Liara's appartment kinda is a museum, isn't it? At the very least the home of a collector... unless everybody has Prothean tech and art of Ilos in their living room.
And aren't you just a hilarious piece of work. You start of by saying I need to make up things to get my point across, and then you proceed to get your point across by trying to paint me off as someone who's in love with a video game character.
Damn, better inform my girlfriend she has competition.
A person's private apartment in not a museum, by any stretch of the imagination. Museums are open to other people to learn: Liara's apartment is where she lives.
How else did she get Shepard's armor? And how did Shepard's armor get burned. We see, throughout all the things in ME1, Shepard never has burned up armor. We do, however, watch Shepard burning because of the re-entry
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Personally, I think all Asari are creepy. 
That isn't just Liara's fault. I don't really like getting too close to people, especially not of my choosing. So a race that can do it when they want puts me off.
They created them to be most human like of the alien races in appearance, but their culture and mentality is not.
None are as creepy as Morinth though. She's super creepy. But I think Asari connect to people in very alien ways.
Because some people are really REALLY obsessed with her. Just look in any thread with Liara in the title. You always find the same few people: Oh, Liara is sooooo creepy. She has a part of Shepards old armor. Stalker!!!!! As I see it, Liara simply keeps a memento that reminds her of Shepard. We know it is not unusual for an asari to keep mementos. The armor is a relic from Shepards battles. Shepard is the saviour of the galaxy keeping his armor is the equivalent of having the space age Excalibur. Nothing creepy.
Anyway, my point was, that I doubt the vast majority of Mass Effect players make such a big deal about this or some harmless hug. That's why I mentioned the review threads for LotSB, which are a better indicator of what non-hardcore fans think about the DLC or, specifically, Liara's apartment.
You're making an assumption (they don't say anything about that), most of the people that mentioned LotSB loved the fight with Tela Vasir more than anything else. Further, initial reviews usually gravitate towards such things, they quiver the nostaglia glands. It's far better to get a sense of how people feel after the glamour is gone, and they look at things with a clear mind.
When I first played Old World Blues in Fallout: New Vegas, I was stunned, it was a complete tonal shift that shocked me, and I came out of it with a big "huh?" After I played it again a few months later, I started thinking "Yeah, this is hilarious, it's funny." Likewise, once people stopped thinking "OMG, it's nice to have Liara back" and "Ooh, Tela Vasir fighting is fun", they could stop and say: "Hey, wait a sec, she's got my charred burned armor as a trophy. Cree-py" and "Hey, the third party member doesn't talk at all, despite it being Garrus or Tali. What gives?"
More to the point, people are still complaining about it now, and, like it or not, the complaints exist and have merit. Instead of making the argument that "Oh, they're just haters who are obsessed", accept that Liara was forced as a bestie, that she got far too much screen time to justify her flaws, and move on.
If you romanced her, maybe.And can someone please explain to me what the *BLEEP* is wrong with having Shepard's armor on display? I, for the life of me, cannot understand what's so wrong with that. It's not even creepy.
Creepy is having your dead relative embalmed and on display in your living room. This is just affection and remembrance.
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