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[zestalyn]

 

If that was a take on popularity as a whole, the most popular would be Miranda and Kaidan, and Garrus would be among the least. I'm also seeing a real dearth of hate topics for characters like that, but Liara's seem to pop up an awful lot. 

Uhh I'm not saying those threads indicate popularity. The fact the Liara, Miranda, Ash, and Sam threads are most active right now with people posting smutty fanart pictures just shows that this part of BSN is probably mostly occupied by dudes right now. 

All I'm saying is that of course there aren't "love" threads for Liara, or anyone for that matter, because we already have fan threads that people make use of. 

FYI in the past couple of months there have been multiple threads like 'is Ash racist' where Ash haters go crazy, and threads like 'why is Garrus so popular' where Garrus haters do likewise. Everyone has their characters they really love or really hate. The only characters I find that most fans can agree on disliking or have lack of enthusiasm for are ppl like Diana Allers or Jacob (esp in romance). 

[DuskWanderer]

 

 

Uhh I'm not saying those threads indicate popularity. The fact the Liara, Miranda, Ash, and Sam threads are most active right now with people posting smutty fanart pictures just shows that this part of BSN is probably mostly occupied by dudes right now. 

All I'm saying is that of course there aren't "love" threads for Liara, or anyone for that matter, because we already have fan threads that people make use of. 

FYI in the past couple of months there have been multiple threads like 'is Ash racist' where Ash haters go crazy, and threads like 'why is Garrus so popular' where Garrus haters do likewise. Everyone has their characters they really love or really hate. The only characters I find that most fans can agree on disliking or have lack of enthusiasm for are ppl like Diana Allers or Jacob (esp in romance). 

 

I don't know, lots of fanart folks are girls, usually. No statements of any kind.

 

Part of the problem why questions like that keep coming up is the Liaramancer's insistence that she is somehow a "fan favorite." If you want fan favorites, go for Kal'Reegar, Kirrahe, or ME2 Aria. Liara has far too large (and understandable) a hatedom to be one, developer comments nonwithstanding: Such things have been wrong before. 

[wolfhowwl]

We've actually proven that the data is hogwash, and the complaining these boards provide is quite ample evidence.

 

The BSN is your evidence, seriously? 

[Mordokai]

I see lots of emotion there -- and I have my own [emotional] OPINION -- which is: though Miranda is the sexiest of the series (only outdone by EDI), Miranda speaks from the intellect in contrast to Liara who speaks (to me) from the heart.   Whether she's right or wrong is not the issue.   We've been right & wrong at times in our lives (though some think they are NEVER wrong -- though I can think of a specific 16-year-old that has the whole universe figured out & has concluded everyone is an idiot but him).

 

Personal preferences and all that, but I personally love Liara precisely because she speaks from hearth Not to say I don't love Miri as well, mind you. She's a great character and sexy as hell too.

 

And seriously, you're telling me there are sixteen year old who aren't like that?

 

From what I read she apparently talks about wanting to have sex with Javik at the DLC party Shepard can host, or someone mentions it and she gets nervous/blushy, even if she's with Shepard. I didn't romance her though so again I might be wrong.

 

Actually, it's Javik who lets it be known that maybe he doesn't hate Liara as much as he makes it appear during the regular game. As well as Garrus, Grunt, Kaidan... There need to be certain prerequisites met for that to happen, but yeah, you kinda have it backwards.

 

Everybody wants Liara, you know

 

Whether Liara was popular or not, it wouldn't justify whatever special treatment she may have received. Soldier was the most popular class, but it didn't get any more attention than the other classes. ManShep was more popular than FemShep but both got equal treatment. Etc.

 

That is not totally true, depending on how you view it. Like you mentioned, soldier was the most popular class and it shows in the game, where Shepard has Avenger/Predator equipped in pretty much every cutscene. Why does my adept use Avenger, when she never picked it up before? Why can't my engineer be shown blasting the cannibal with the incinerate? Soldier did get preferential treatment, in it's own way, though how much of that was because of laziness/time constraints is anybodies guess.

 

As for FemShep/MShep... I give you evidence number one that you're not right. Then there is the fact that FemShep uses pretty much all the same animation as MShep, which makes her look... pretty damn odd at times. Once again, how much of that was laziness/time constraint and how much was favoritism is anybodies guess, but FemShep actually got pretty screwed in that department.

[themikefest]

 

Everybody wants Liara, you know

 

Can you prove everybody wants T'soni? I know I don't, you know.

[Ryriena]

Hell, as a female Shepard player I can tell you she gets screwed over a lot. For one thing, Alexi Shepard can't call out Kaidan over the cheating line. A male Shepard can call out Ashley or Liara for that matter and justify his right to move on. While female Shepard gets to say, hay I'm sorry or nothing to him to justify her moving on. They don't get the equal treatment. Hell even in the LI we get two straight LI while the guys get seven. No we don't get equal treatment

[Barquiel]

Whether Liara was popular or not, it wouldn't justify whatever special treatment she may have received. Soldier was the most popular class, but it didn't get any more attention than the other classes. ManShep was more popular than FemShep but both got equal screentime. Paragon more popular than renegade, saving Ashley more popular than Kaidan, spacer more popular than colonist or Earthborn...etc.

Well, it would be hard to give ManShep and FemShep a different amount of screentime

Anyway, the problem was that Bioware introduced too many new characters and love interests in ME2, and even a few more in ME3. Yes, some returning characters didn't get the screentime they deserved in ME3...but that was unavoidable. I mean, I really wonder who thought having 13 romance arcs would be a good idea...they simply couldn't please everyone. But I'd too give more content to the most popular/fan-favorite squadmates, it is the most logical thing to do (and in most stories, some characters have more screentime than others) if your resources/development time are rather limited. That's why characters like Liara and Garrus got a lot of content...but look what happened to poor Morinth or Jacob.

[themikefest]

Well, it would be hard to give ManShep and FemShep a different amount of screentime

Anyway, the problem was that Bioware introduced too many new characters and love interests in ME2, and even a few more in ME3. Yes, some returning characters didn't get the screentime they deserved in ME3...but that was unavoidable. I mean, I really wonder who thought having 13 romance arcs would be a good idea...they simply couldn't please everyone. But I'd too give more content to the most popular/fan-favorite squadmates, it is the most logical thing to do (and in most stories, some characters have more screentime than others) if your resources/development time are rather limited. That's why characters like Liara and Garrus got a lot of content...but look what happened to poor Morinth or Jacob.

They give T'soni a few unnecessary cutscenes that mean nothing.

 

After the first dream she mentions no support from the Turians until their leader is rescued. We already knew that. So what was the purpose of having her tell us something we already knew?

 

After the second dream she is there. Why? Wouldn't using the intercom be easier? Or how about edi or Traynor informing the Commander over the intercom?

 

After talking with Hackett after Mars, there is dialogue between her and Shepard that has nothing to do with anything. Why not just have fade-to-black after talking with Hackett?

 

What was the purpose of those scenes? I don't care if she's popular or not. Unfortunately I can't avoid these scenes. And with Garrus, if alive in ME3, can be ignored the whole game, after coming aboard the ship, except when you cure/sabotage the genophage he gets a cutscene.

[CannotCompute]

I know a lot of people out there really like her, but I always thought she was dull and got too much screentime in comparison to some of the others. The plot armor also didn't help.

[Xilizhra]

Whether Liara was popular or not, it wouldn't justify whatever special treatment she may have received. Soldier was the most popular class, but it didn't get any more attention than the other classes.

Yes it did. All of the cutscenes are based around soldiers being soldiers; certainly, biotics are never used by biotic Shepards in cutscenes when they could have been useful.

[Mordokai]

Yes it did. All of the cutscenes are based around soldiers being soldiers; certainly, biotics are never used by biotic Shepards in cutscenes when they could have been useful.

 

Which is pretty much the case for entire trilogy, when you stop and think about it. No matter the class, Shepard is usually portrayed solving his problems by shooting them. In much of the trilogy, Shepard is a soldier(class, not a member of an organized army). So yeah, the class itself definitely got more attention when compared to others.

 

Omega introduced a single class specific interrupt for engineers and there's a nod at engineers and their hacking knowledge in Citadel. Other than that, I believe no such things exist. Which is, you know, nice. But too little, too late.

[Nuclear]

I can certainly understand dislike towards Liara. She does come off as, for lack of a better description, the 'writer's pet' of Mass Effect. Invulnerable until the end of ME3 (where literally everyone in the galaxy has a chance of dying anyway), comes off as Shepard's most important companion whether you like her or not, can't get rid of her or simply not recruit her, has a major personality switch between games and has so much content and dialogue surrounding her it's unfair for people who want content for other party members (LotSB, whilst I feel is a good DLC for ME2, is the perfect example for this).

 

I personally like Liara, she is my most romanced companion, but I certainly understand all the gripes that people have when it comes to her forced inclusion.

[DuskWanderer]

Well, it would be hard to give ManShep and FemShep a different amount of screentime

Anyway, the problem was that Bioware introduced too many new characters and love interests in ME2, and even a few more in ME3. Yes, some returning characters didn't get the screentime they deserved in ME3...but that was unavoidable. I mean, I really wonder who thought having 13 romance arcs would be a good idea...they simply couldn't please everyone. But I'd too give more content to the most popular/fan-favorite squadmates, it is the most logical thing to do (and in most stories, some characters have more screentime than others) if your resources/development time are rather limited. That's why characters like Liara and Garrus got a lot of content...but look what happened to poor Morinth or Jacob.

Morinth wasn't given a lot of content because there was scheduling conflicts with the voice actor. The problem with Jacob's ME3 content wasn't that he lacked it, but that the people didn't like the direction it went (his ME2 blandness is ultimately beside the point)

 

They gave it to Liara because she was the writer's pet and because she would always be there. As themikefest said, it was a lot of stuff that was plain unnecessary. She just kept pushing herself in there because Bioware wanted us to buy that she was our bestie.

[Xilizhra]

Which is pretty much the case for entire trilogy, when you stop and think about it. No matter the class, Shepard is usually portrayed solving his problems by shooting them. In much of the trilogy, Shepard is a soldier(class, not a member of an organized army). So yeah, the class itself definitely got more attention when compared to others.

 

Omega introduced a single class specific interrupt for engineers and there's a nod at engineers and their hacking knowledge in Citadel. Other than that, I believe no such things exist. Which is, you know, nice. But too little, too late.

I might play as a soldier to fit in better with the universe now that my video card is no longer utter crap, and I can actually shoot things.

[Mordokai]

I might play as a soldier to fit in better with the universe now that my video card is no longer utter crap, and I can actually shoot things.

 

My next playthrought will be with soldier as well.

 

Liara as her LI, of course

[von uber]

Can someone suggest a Squad character who should remain alive throughout the trilogy to provide easy writing continuity across the series and prevent the recording of 15 or so variations of dialogue to cover all squad death eventualities by ME3?

 

Whoever it will be, will be the writers 'pet', unless we have a new character per game who we provide all that dialogue to.

[Vegeta93]

People get tired with liara being force down peoples throats she gets her own dlc in me2. If you romance Ash Liara still gets the Dogtags she gets put back in right away in me3 and you got to take her on Ashes dlc and thessia.

[Ryriena]

Can someone suggest a Squad character who should remain alive throughout the trilogy to provide easy writing continuity across the series and prevent the recording of 15 or so variations of dialogue to cover all squad death eventualities by ME3?

Whoever it will be, will be the writers 'pet', unless we have a new character per game who we provide all that dialogue to.

The Illusive man or Miranda. However I would've rewrote Tim as the Shadow broker. This would leave the whole Cebruse plot out the window. You know as that makes more sense with how he was trying to find away to stop them.

[Mordokai]

Ok, seriously, for all you people suffering from Liara being stuffed down their throats...

 

Hope that helps at least a little.

[von uber]

The Illusive man or Miranda. However I would've rewrote Tim as the Shadow broker. This would leave the whole Cebruse plot out the window. You know as that makes more sense with how he was trying to find away to stop them.

 

How do they tie into ME1?

[o Ventus]

So you're basically saying every popularity content ever is meaningless because people who voted for characters probably didn't like them anyway, but voted for them anyway?

You didn't read the post I replied to, did you? The data taken from infographics isn't received by voting, it's taken directly from player's save data if they have the option enabled.

A character can be as popular as they want, the infographic isn't going to reflect it very accurately.

[DuskWanderer]

Can someone suggest a Squad character who should remain alive throughout the trilogy to provide easy writing continuity across the series and prevent the recording of 15 or so variations of dialogue to cover all squad death eventualities by ME3?

 

Whoever it will be, will be the writers 'pet', unless we have a new character per game who we provide all that dialogue to.

 

Why must it be one character? Different characters can say things. If you're looking for a character to provide background, it's Anderson and Hackett as the best choices for Alliances, TIM for Cerberus. Having things explained to newcomers to ME3 was James's role. There's also EDI. 

 

Or, as said, you could divide it. Further, that has nothing to do with Liara forced to become the bestie. 

[Ryriena]

How do they tie into ME1?

Um he runs Cerbuse so thats how they tie into me1. We've also got the shadow broker whom goes after Tail information on Saren in me1 it could work by just saying Tim was the shadow broker.

[von uber]

Why must it be one character? Different characters can say things. If you're looking for a character to provide background, it's Anderson and Hackett as the best choices for Alliances, TIM for Cerberus. Having things explained to newcomers to ME3 was James's role. There's also EDI. 

 

Or, as said, you could divide it. Further, that has nothing to do with Liara forced to become the bestie. 

 

You need a charcter who can mention all the missions and experinces the player went through (Virmire, Feros etc). Given Liara is the only one guaranteed to be alive by ME3 it makes sense for her to be the main bridge between games - the sheer number of characters introduced in ME2 causes all sorts of writing problems. Liara being guaranteed to survive that also means a lot more exposition can be placed on her (as well as providing a guaranteed familiar face).

If it wasn't her, it would have to be someone else, and this thread would be titled 'why do people hate Tali' or similar.