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[Daemul]

One thing about Liara that always makes me laugh, is how during the VS/Liara confrontation in ME1, she seems cool with the idea of a threesome with either Ashley or Kaidan, as she stays with Shepard after Ashley/Kaidan walks away.

To this day, I still can't believe Kaidan turned that offer down. He could have banged both Femshep and Liara and he turned it down. What is wrong with that boy.

[President of Boom]

This particular scene... With Vigil playing in the background... I think it's one of the most beautiful, touching moments during Priority: Earth. 

 

Yes, that was indeed a pretty touching scene, but I have to disagree, the scene that really kicks me in the groin part of my feelings is when Shep says "There is no Shepard without Vakarian."   

It's Ashley I dislike... I let her live just so I can snub her in ME3...

Picking Ashley on Virmire was the worst mistake of my character's life. I wanted to punch her in the eyeballs in ME2 and she creeped the hell out of me in ME3. Just like you, I used every opportunity to be mean to her in ME3. I was about 80% paragon and 20% renegade in ME3 and interactions with Ashley and Miranda made up about 97.4% of that 20% renegade score.

[KBomb]

Yes, that was indeed a pretty touching scene, but I have to disagree, the scene that really kicks me in the groin part of my feelings is when Shep says "There is no Shepard without Vakarian."   

Picking Ashley on Virmire was the worst mistake of my character's life. I wanted to punch her in the eyeballs in ME2 and she creeped the hell out of me in ME3. Just like you, I used every opportunity to be mean to her in ME3. I was about 80% paragon and 20% renegade in ME3 and interactions with Ashley and Miranda made up about 97.4% of that 20% renegade score.

I agree with you about the Garrus comment. I loved that. Good stuff.

 

I loved Ash though. I understand how she can rub some the wrong way. She was my girl, though.

[Elite Banana]

Yes, that was indeed a pretty touching scene, but I have to disagree, the scene that really kicks me in the groin part of my feelings is when Shep says "There is no Shepard without Vakarian."   

Picking Ashley on Virmire was the worst mistake of my character's life. I wanted to punch her in the eyeballs in ME2 and she creeped the hell out of me in ME3. Just like you, I used every opportunity to be mean to her in ME3. I was about 80% paragon and 20% renegade in ME3 and interactions with Ashley and Miranda made up about 97.4% of that 20% renegade score.

 

Honestly my eyes were anything but dry during the whole Priority: Earth. I highlighted Liara's part because... Well, the topic...

It all built up from the moment my Shep said farewell to Joker in the Normandy. By the time I reached Liara I was already a mess. And yes, all the talks about Turian heaven and Shepard always having Garrus' back...  I didn't even bother to aim when using the turret after the scene with Garrus. (or maybe I'm just bad at aiming)

[zestalyn]

This particular scene... With Vigil playing in the background... I think it's one of the most beautiful, touching moments during Priority: Earth. And no, my Shepard is a flaming poof---does not romance Liara (despite what her father thinks). Liara may not have Tali's endearing quirk nor Jack's badass-ness, but I always see her as Shepard's friend who deeply cares about him/her.

 

 

Ughhhh, I love that scene  I see Liara that way, too. I've always loved the scenes where Shep shares hugs with people. Makes her feel more human. Sure, ME has a mostly military setting, but its so much about friendships/relationships. The hugging makes it more real for me. 

[KaiserShep]

Picking Ashley on Virmire was the worst mistake of my character's life. I wanted to punch her in the eyeballs in ME2 and she creeped the hell out of me in ME3.

 

I found the VS to be rather grating for both characters in ME2, but my biggest point of frustration in that scene actually lies with Shepard, because none of the options provided really grant you particularly satisfactory explanations for what's happening.

[Mordokai]

It doesn't invalidate the popularity, just some of the reasoning behind it. Personally, romance takes a second seat for me. Don't get me wrong, I like the romance in Bioware games, but it isn't as important to me as other aspects. In other words, I like it, but could certainly live without it. Romance in these games are extremely popular, even I won't deny that.

 

For instance, Mass Effect isn't my friend's usual style of game, but she loved the romance part. A lot. She really loved the romance with Liara and she loved Kaidan--until she got to the romance scene. You get an extra clip with Liara, (one I had completely forgot about until she mentioned it) and you get a more "romantic" dialog with her. There is more interaction with Liara in ME2 than with Kaidan, even extra romance dialog. (keep in mind, I am using Kaidan because that was her example) In ME3, there is more interaction with Liara, and once again, a more extensive love scene. She said Liara was her favorite play through--not because Liara meant more to her, but simply because she felt she got more romantic content and more interaction.

 

It simply made me wonder how many others kept going back to romance Liara because they felt they had more content than the other LI. If all the romance options were the same, same scenes, same amount of dialog and interaction, would people still choose Liara? If you're going to have ten playthroughs, why not choose the romance option that has more meat, rather than one that feels less appetizing. I hope I am explaining this well enough. I am pretty tired and had a lot of sun today lol, maybe I am not coming across well, but I hope you get what I mean.

 

Speaking from personal experience, I like Liara as character and would pick her even if all the other LIs had the same amount of content(which is something I heartily support, mind you).

 

I got the feeling your friend liked Liara even before the extra content was factored in the picture, much like myself. And I get the feeling most of the Liara haters wouldn't hate her any less if she had even more content, if this topic and certain people in it are and indication I didn't knew romance and extra content of it meant so much to her.

 

Now personally, romances are pretty important part of the game to me, so a good romance will make a game better for me. And I guess maybe Liara's romance did make ME better for me because of it.

 

Some interesting thoughts in there

 

One thing about Liara that always makes me laugh, is how during the VS/Liara confrontation in ME1, she seems cool with the idea of a threesome with either Ashley or Kaidan, as she stays with Shepard after Ashley/Kaidan walks away.

To this day, I still can't believe Kaidan turned that offer down. He could have banged both Femshep and Liara and he turned it down. What is wrong with that boy.

 

He was a gentleman?

 

Kinda stupid, mind you, but still a gentleman

[Coming0fShadows]

I wouldnt say she was cool with it, she just didnt comment while the vs whines i believe.

I have to say though, comparing Kaidan's dialogue to Liara's is pretty unfair, that guy is like one of the NPC guards at the door, only you can talk to him for some reason. About as much personality as a vulcan...

[KBomb]

Speaking from personal experience, I like Liara as character and would pick her even if all the other LIs had the same amount of content(which is something I heartily support, mind you).

 

I got the feeling your friend liked Liara even before the extra content was factored in the picture, much like myself. And I get the feeling most of the Liara haters wouldn't hate her any less if she had even more content, if this topic and certain people in it are and indication I didn't knew romance and extra content of it meant so much to her.

 

Now personally, romances are pretty important part of the game to me, so a good romance will make a game better for me. And I guess maybe Liara's romance did make ME better for me because of it.

 

Some interesting thoughts in there

 

 

 

She did like Liara, but she also liked Kaidan. She just didn't feel as though he had the same quality of "care" with his options. She may have liked Liara more just because it was Liara, but that isn't the reason she gave me. She said it felt short changed. 

 

Whether or not people believe Liara gets special treatment in the entire game, it cannot be denied she got a lot more consideration with the romance aspect. As I said, romance isn't a huge deal to me, but I know it is to some people and if they didn't choose Liara, I can understand the feeling they have of being cheated a bit. Which may lead people choosing Liara simply for that extra content--which could be a reason you shouldn't trust character polls so much.  That is entirely my opinion, however. It's just something I never really thought about until today. 

 

 

 

I wouldnt say she was cool with it, she just didnt comment while the vs whines i believe.

I have to say though, comparing Kaidan's dialogue to Liara's is pretty unfair, that guy is like one of the NPC guards at the door, only you can talk to him for some reason. About as much personality as a vulcan...

It isn't unfair simply because you don't like Kaidan. He is a companion, a LI and is a part of the ME universe. It is an equal representation. 

[Mordokai]

She did like Liara, but she also liked Kaidan. She just didn't feel as though he had the same quality of "care" with his options. She may have liked Liara more just because it was Liara, but that isn't the reason she gave me. She said it felt short changed. 

 

Whether or not people believe Liara gets special treatment in the entire game, it cannot be denied she got a lot more consideration with the romance aspect. As I said, romance isn't a huge deal to me, but I know it is to some people and if they didn't choose Liara, I can understand the feeling they have of being cheated a bit. Which may lead people choosing Liara simply for that extra content--which could be a reason you shouldn't trust character polls so much.  That is entirely my opinion, however. It's just something I never really thought about until today.

 

Well, you might find this an interesting read. In it, the author theorizes on some aspects you mentioned and why it may have happened like it did and not the other way around.

 

Honestly, there are some good points in there and it makes for an interesting read.

[Catastrophy]

Hate is such a strong word. I like the Asari as a concept. Not just because they are blue sexy space babes - they are designed to be attractive so the game sells nice to the male audience.

No, it's because an all "girl" society has potential to prove that women are men (i.e. people), too.

Although, I guess, an Asari presented with that stuff would just ask: "What's a woman?" or just say: "Shut the f*ck up." I like them Asari guys a bit rough.

[KBomb]

Well, you might find this an interesting read. In it, the author theorizes on some aspects you mentioned and why it may have happened like it did and not the other way around.

 

Honestly, there are some good points in there and it makes for an interesting read.

Thanks for the article. It was pretty interesting and hit on some points I was trying to make. 

[DuskWanderer]

Thanks for the article. It was pretty interesting and hit on some points I was trying to make. 

 

I've seen that article, it honestly doesn't say anything that hasn't been mentioned before. I'd say one of the big cases comes in the massive Genesis comic shilling. 

[Mordokai]

Thanks for the article. It was pretty interesting and hit on some points I was trying to make. 

 

I just want the record to show that I think she's the best character of the trilogy, no matter what and that I'll always think that and I'll always grab any chance to point at polls who show she's one of the most popular characters, no matter what

[themikefest]

I just want the record to show that I think she's the best character of the trilogy, no matter what and that I'll always think that and I'll always grab any chance to point at polls who show she's one of the most popular characters, no matter what

And I will always point out that she may not be as popoular if she was only available to one gender and was only available for half the game in ME3 like Tali and Ashley/Kaidan, no matter what.

[garrus vakarian]

How popular of a LI would she be is she was only available to femshep?
How popular of a squadmate would she be in ME3 if she was only available for the second half of the game like Ashley/Kaidan and Tali?

How popular of a LI would she be is she was only available to femshep?
How popular of a squadmate would she be in ME3 if she was only available for the second half of the game like Ashley/Kaidan and Tali?

[garrus vakarian]

How is she hated for I like her my female shepard loves her and so does liara

[DuskWanderer]

I just want the record to show that I think she's the best character of the trilogy, no matter what and that I'll always think that and I'll always grab any chance to point at polls who show she's one of the most popular characters, no matter what

 

And I want the record to show there is more vitrol sent to her than anyone else in the series, and for more reasons than anyone else.

[DuskWanderer]

And I will always point out that she may not be as popoular if she was only available to one gender and was only available for half the game in ME3 like Tali and Ashley/Kaidan, no matter what.

 

Slightly related: What if she didn't have to picked three times during the game. It would certainly go down, but by how much?

[themikefest]

Slightly related: What if she didn't have to picked three times during the game. It would certainly go down, but by how much?

 

I have no idea how much it would effect her popularity. It could be a little bit or a lot. We will never know.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

A general perception (real or imagined) of disproportionate favoritism. Parts of this can apply to the Asari as a whole.

 

A good portion of this could have been mitigated if there was a "I'm not your friend we're just working together, please stop acting like we're friends/lovers. k thx bye" option at some point.

[Daemul]

Talking about that popularity thing, I really want to know how Bioware calculated it, because it looks really suspect. 

 

Before I type out my reasoning, I want to know what Bioware mean by Liara was picked 24.1% of time time. Does that mean that she was picked for 24.1% of the available missions, which number 27 in vanilla Mass Effect 3, meaning that Liara was taken on 6.5/27 missions per playthrough, OR, that for every mission, Liara had 24.1% likelihood of being picked, OR, when players had the option to pick out of every squadmate they chose Liara 24.1% of the time?

 

The data is so vague right now that I don't even know what point Bioware are trying to put across. This  sort of vagueness would get me a fail in my statistics course back in University lol. 

[Farangbaa]

Slightly related: What if she didn't have to picked three times during the game. It would certainly go down, but by how much?

 

She'd still be the most powerful squadmate you have, by miles.

[Daemul]

She'd still be the most powerful squadmate for Biotic Shepard, by miles.

 

Had to edit that. 

[Farangbaa]

Had to edit that.

Honestly, class is irrelevant in ME3. Anything can combo with anyone.