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[DuskWanderer]

She's the strongest squadmate in every ME game. If she keeps dying, you're doing something wrong.

In ME1 there's not even a contest, biotics are extremely overpowered and so a near-pure biotic (lol, useless electronics skill...) is almost mandatory. Adept Shep + Liara is just a breeze.
In ME2 she has Stasis (madly broken) and an instant Singularity.
In ME3 she can detonate her own singularities (instant, again), and, given the fact unprotected enemies are common even on insanity, she provides superiour crowd control. Couple her with biotic Shepard and everything explodes. Though I'll easily admit Adept Shepard doesn't need her at all, as Adept Shep is a detonation machine all by him/herself

 

If I need to wait for Liara to recharge and detonate her singularities, honestly, I'm doing it wrong. Also, if I need more than one in any battle that isn't those brutes at the end of Priority: Earth, I'm also doing it wrong. Thus, recharge times are completely useless, since I'm already charged up for the next battle. 

 

CC is ultimately not as useful as you think it is, considering the really dangerous enemies are immune to her stasis and Singularity since they are armored, particularly the reaper faction. Quite literally, the only thing she can do is dangle Cannibals, since Husks don't have a ranged weapon to be dangerous, and go down with a shot or two to the legs. 

 

Also, you've massively contradicted yourself. You say that she's redundant with an Adept Shepard, but say she's useful for a biotic. Adepts *are* one of two and a half biotics. The other, Vanguard, has Shepard handle everything on his own with Charge and Nova. The Sentinel has Warp and Throw. If I want to prime multiple targets, I'll use Area Reave (and eat the rest of the health the detonation doesn't get while the enemy is on the ground) or Dark Channel (we all know what that does)

 

All I see from people praising Liara in gameplay are folks who never bothered to use the other characters or crunch the numbers.

[Farangbaa]

If I need to wait for Liara to recharge and detonate her singularities, honestly, I'm doing it wrong. Also, if I need more than one in any battle that isn't those brutes at the end of Priority: Earth, I'm also doing it wrong. Thus, recharge times are completely useless, since I'm already charged up for the next battle.

Lol you can't wait those mere 2 seconds? Find me a squadmate that has any skill at all with a 2 second cooldown that isn't a grenade power. 

CC is ultimately not as useful as you think it is, considering the really dangerous enemies are immune to her stasis and Singularity since they are armored, particularly the reaper faction. Quite literally, the only thing she can do is dangle Cannibals, since Husks don't have a ranged weapon to be dangerous, and go down with a shot or two to the legs.

There are really dangerous enemies in ME3? Point me to them please.
 

Also, you've massively contradicted yourself. You say that she's redundant with an Adept Shepard, but say she's useful for a biotic. Adepts *are* one of two and a half biotics. The other, Vanguard, has Shepard handle everything on his own with Charge and Nova. The Sentinel has Warp and Throw. If I want to prime multiple targets, I'll use Area Reave (and eat the rest of the health the detonation doesn't get while the enemy is on the ground) or Dark Channel (we all know what that does)

I didn't contradict myself, nor did I say she was redundant. I said Adept Shepard doesn't need her, which is not that same as having no use for her at all. In fact, coupling Adept Shepard with Liara makes the game almost too easy. You can completely forgo on having someone who can strip shields. Liara and Adept Shep do that just fine on their own.

And again: 2 seconds cooldown on Singularity. A singularity that does not collapse after detonating a combo and can pick up new enemies in that time, who can be detonated again. A singularity that expands in range.

Funny how you come up with crunching numbers later in your post. I suppose the number 2 isn't in your numeral vocabulary, seeing how you prefer the forever on cooldown Dark Channel (you can spam at least 5 singularities in the same time) or Reave (+/- 3 singularities in the same time)

All I see from people praising Liara in gameplay are folks who never bothered to use the other characters or crunch the numbers.

Funny. Last game I finished I used Adept Shepard with Ashley and James. Used Javik for a long time (until he opposed my decision to choose the Geth over the Quarians). Not because he's better than Liara, but because I think Slam looks cool.

All I see from people saying Liara is weak are folks who never bothered to actually use her properly, crunch the numbers or just downright hate her.

[KaiserShep]

Crunching the numbers? Excuse me while my eyes glaze over. I'm not balancing Shepard's checkbook. I'm killing monsters and/or troopers with scifi-magical powers. It's like having a preference for a particular gun in the game. Being the most powerful or having the best fire rate is not necessarily the reason one goes for it, but rather they like the weapon's feel, or how it meshes with their play style, or skill set/ammo powers and combination with other members of the team, or all of the above. Stats aren't everything. Heck, I keep Shepard in the Onyx armor in ME1, despite having inferior stats to most other armors you can get in the game, because I wanted to have the N7 image from beginning to end. Just because one doesn't see much merit to Liara in Shepard's combat team, doesn't mean that no one should.

 

Just the same, as one who thinks Liara is a useful, fun combatant, I've used the others as well. I mean, you don't have that many characters to choose from compared to ME2, so you can easily use all of them in rotation throughout the game.

[Pateu]

What does Samara have to do with anything? She is not available as a romance.

 

Just because they don't do the funny business doesn't mean it's not romance.

[themikefest]

Just because they don't do the funny business doesn't mean it's not romance.

So why did you mention her?

[Farangbaa]

It's like having a preference for a particular gun in the game.

it's why I used Javik; cause Slam looks much cooler

But I'm not the one who brought up crunching numbers, that dude did. And he's not very good at it.

[Daemul]

Jesus, only on BSN could you see such irrational fanboyism AND irrational hatred of a single character in the same thread. It is always either "No, This squad mate is the strongest!" or "No, This squad mate is the weakest", when both are wrong. 

 

Bioware did a very good job at making all squadmates viable in ME3, they each have their own specific role to fill in the game and they are all damn good at it, which is much better than the clusterf**k we got in Mass Effect 2 where so many squad mates did the exact same thing. Yes, some squadmates are more useful than others over the course of the game, but you can not say that there is one who is better than the rest at everything, they each have strengths and weaknesses. 

 

One good thing about Mass Effect is that you can mix up your squad in anyway you want you want and it will all be viable. The only time you have ever needed a specific type of skill was in ME1 where you needed tech powers to open crates and doors, you have never needed a balanced squad in this series, no matter what the Mass Effect 2 loading screen said. 

[KaiserShep]

it's why I used Javik; cause Slam looks much cooler

But I'm not the one who brought up crunching numbers, that dude did. And he's not very good at it.

 

In fairness, I wasn't really responding to your post, though I should have quoted.

 

Personally, I take Javik strictly for his character's contribution in dialogue. I do like slam, and dark channel is useful, and despite not being the most powerful weapon, I refuse to have him use anything other than the PPR, because it's the most alien gun in the whole thing and his image just doesn't seem complete without it. But when coupled with Liara, they are a pretty formidable team.

[Farangbaa]

Javik can use other weapons than the Pulse Rifle?

[Farangbaa]

One good thing about Mass Effect is that you can mix up your squad in anyway you want you want and it will all be viable. The only time you have ever needed a specific type of skill was in ME1 where you needed tech powers to open crates and doors, you have never needed a balanced squad in this series, no matter what the Mass Effect 2 loading screen said.

I'm very much aware of this, as shown by my Adept Shepard + James + Ashley squad.

Liara being the best squadmate doesn't mean that the others suck or are useless, just less good

[Daemul]

I'm very much aware of this, as shown by my Adept Shepard + James + Ashley squad.

Liara being the best squadmate doesn't mean that the others suck or are useless, just less good

 

Calmate. 

[KaiserShep]

Javik can use other weapons than the Pulse Rifle?

 

I really wish that Tali could use assault rifles. I would totally hook her up with nothing but geth weapons.

[Farangbaa]

I really wish that Tali could use assault rifles. I would totally hook her up with nothing but geth weapons.

You can still give her the Geth shotgun but I see your point. Full Geth equipment on a Quarian would be great.

Calmate.

???

[Sir DeLoria]

Can you back up that claim?

Oh, don't worry Mike, you're not the only one who dislikes the blue squid...

She's the strongest squadmate in every ME game.

That's total BS, squadmate usefullness and strenght is entirely subjective and depends on class and playstyle.

I always play CQC Infiltrator and she's useless for that. I need tanks, not someone as frail and breakable as Liara.

[Farangbaa]

I always play CQC Infiltrator and she's useless for that. I need tanks, not someone as frail and breakable as Liara.

Yeah, because trapping enemies in a singularity would totally hamper your style.

.......

What?

[Sir DeLoria]

Yeah, because trapping enemies in a singularity would totally hamper your style........What?

I can kill a squad just as fast with cloak and the reegar. But I won't bother reviving her if she gets hit by an atlas missile.

Hence Garrus, Grunt and Vega are more useful to me.

[Farangbaa]

I can kill a squad just as fast with cloak and the reegar. But I won't bother reviving her if she gets hit by an atlas missile.

Hence Garrus, Grunt and Vega are more useful to me.

Ah yes, I forgot this is the internet. Where 'maybe not being the best option' = 'useless'.

[Sir DeLoria]

Ah yes, I forgot this is the internet. Where 'maybe not being the best option' = 'useless'.

Yeah, that was hyperbole in response to your "Liara is the bestest squadmate ever and that's a fact" comment

[Farangbaa]

Yeah, that was hyperbole in response to your "Liara is the bestest squadmate ever and that's a fact" comment

Overal she is the best.

There's only two useless squadmates in the entire series:

Jack and Legion on insanity. Though Legion has some use in missions with Geth (all 2 of them + Overlord)

[Sir DeLoria]

Overal she is the best.There's only two useless squadmates in the entire series:Jack and Legion on insanity. Though Legion has some use in missions with Geth (all 2 of them + Overlord)

But see that's the point, how can you call a squadmate "the best"? Like I said, totally depends on the player.

[Mordokai]

You can still give her the Geth shotgun but I see your point. Full Geth equipment on a Quarian would be great.

 

I can just imagine her, steaming in that enviro suit. It's a pretty amusing picture

 

???

 

Calmate.

[Farangbaa]

But see that's the point, how can you call a squadmate "the best"? Like I said, totally depends on the player.

Because there's not a squad setup in which she doesn't add a lot of value.

In ME1 she's the only true crowd controller you have, unless you're an Adept yourself. It makes her almost mandatory on insanity. Almost. Especially because it's meaningless whether an enemy is protected or not.
In ME2 she gives you stasis (so horrendously broken!)
In ME3, because of the large numbers of unprotected enemies, she provides, yet again, superior crowd control which none of your other squadmates can provide. She also has superior recharge times on all her powers. Only squadmate rivaling her in this aspect is Tali.

Honest to God, the only style I can imagine in which Liara is useless and doesn't add anything to the squad is when you play ME like it's a shooter. (no power use, just raw weapon damage). Or if you hate having to pause to the game to select squadmate powers.

Even if you ignore her singularity.. for whatever crazy reasons you might have (again, 2 seconds!), she still gives you a 4/5 second something cooldown Warp for you to abuse. (note here that using warp to detonate a tech/fire combp also primes the target for a biotic explosion)

[themikefest]

Every time I position T'soni in cover, she leaves that spot, for some reason, and ends up "dead".  I have seen a husk jump on her, hit her 3-4 times and she is "killed". You constantly have to manage her otherwise she will "die" very quickly, especially on hardcore and insanity. I have done a few playthroughs where she did ok, but the majority of my playthroughs she "dies" a lot and its mostly due to her leaving cover after I position her in that spot. I have done missions with James and Ashley that took less time than having Liara on the squad regardless of what class I'm playing.

[Mordokai]

Honest to God, the only style I can imagine in which Liara is useless and doesn't add anything to the squad is when you play ME like it's a shooter. (no power use, just raw weapon damage). Or if you hate having to pause to the game to select squadmate powers.

 

I've seen people complaining how useless she is if you evolve none of her powers and only give her the crappiest weapons.

 

There was much facepalming to be had that day.

[Farangbaa]

Every time I position T'soni in cover, she leaves that spot, for some reason, and ends up "dead".  I have seen a husk jump on her, hit her 3-4 times and she is "killed". You constantly have to manage her otherwise she will "die" very quickly, especially on hardcore and insanity. I have done a few playthroughs where she did ok, but the majority of my playthroughs she "dies" a lot and its mostly due to her leaving cover after I position her in that spot. I have done missions with James and Ashley that took less time than having Liara on the squad regardless of what class I'm playing.

I don't even bother positioning her. I just press left shift every 2 seconds and have her drop another singularity. Using this 'strategy' together with James, James died twice. Liara left the mission unscathed. (that mission in which you have to steal Prothean tech from Cerberus. Yes, did it without shield stripping skills, cause I'm cool like that ).

James dying twice was probably because he figured he was a tank. Not the class type, but the real, armored type. I saw him running directly into a Cerberus turret. This means he's completely useless and weak, right?

To be honest I never bother to position my squadmates in ME3, at all. Unlike ME2 where I do it a lot, especially at the earlier levels.
 

I've seen people complaining how useless she is if you evolve none of her powers and only give her the crappiest weapons.
 
There was much facepalming to be had that day.

The palm's probably still pressed into your face, I imagine