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#676
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I suppose BioWare listened to it's fans. Next game will be a sequel, Shepard is alive.. but he's not the protagonist. The Protagonist is the little blue lovechild of Shep and Liara.
 

 

'Shepard and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'

Shep Jr., an obnoxiously annoying teenage rebel turned obnoxiously annoying teenage reluctant hero, races Elcor communists to the secrets behind a mysterious collection of Salarian skeletal remains. 



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'Shepard and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'

Shep Jr., an obnoxiously annoying teenage rebel turned obnoxiously annoying teenage reluctant hero, races Elcor communists to the secrets behind a mysterious collection of Salarian skeletal remains. 

 

 

It will have a stupid name, too. Like Varren


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I did not hate her, but she never was attractive to me (More like I hated Ashley for not trusting and turning her back on Shep). In fact I kinda ignored her throughout the game in my first run (never visited her in her room). She became a friend later on but nothing more. That is kinda odd since the romance has been supported so much by the story development in total (saves your life, most interactions during the games etc.).

 

I love to be faithful and have a partner who I can count on through all hardships. That is why Tali is my obvious choice, from all the Characters she appealed to me the most since the first run in ME 1 and she is - together with Garrus - the one who stands by your side in all parts.

 

Anyone noticed, that none of the in ME2 newly introduced characters made it into ME3 as a squadmate? For me that was a real downside - especially since part 2  mostly revolved around the companions!

Just on a side-note...


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I suppose BioWare listened to it's fans. Next game will be a sequel, Shepard is alive.. but he's not the protagonist. The Protagonist is the little blue lovechild of Shep and Liara.
 
(just messing with you guys)

 

 

Should-Have-Been-Aborted Effect, coming 2015.



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Should-Have-Been-Aborted Effect, coming 2015.

What did you think her "gift" at the FOB was really about? :devil:

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She never gave me that "gift" cause I ignored her nasty ass ^_^. She can keep her space STDs to herself.



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This thread is certainly taking a good turn.



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I probably shouldn't be surprised by how close minded certain people can be.

 

Alas...


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I did not hate her, but she never was attractive to me (More like I hated Ashley for not trusting and turning her back on Shep). In fact I kinda ignored her throughout the game in my first run (never visited her in her room). She became a friend later on but nothing more. That is kinda odd since the romance has been supported so much by the story development in total (saves your life, most interactions during the games etc.).

 

I love to be faithful and have a partner who I can count on through all hardships. That is why Tali is my obvious choice, from all the Characters she appealed to me the most since the first run in ME 1 and she is - together with Garrus - the one who stands by your side in all parts.

 

Anyone noticed, that none of the in ME2 newly introduced characters made it into ME3 as a squadmate? For me that was a real downside - especially since part 2  mostly revolved around the companions!

Just on a side-note...

Indeed. This really bothered me with guys like Jacob and Miranda who could've had some character development in ME3 and come to the Alliance (and change those damned skintight outfits). Or Legion who gets no vigil in ME3 despite playing as big a role in reuniting the geth and quarians as Shepard. Then there's people like Zaeed, Samara, and Kasumi who do jack **** in ME3 after we "recruit" them. Grunt, Thane, and Wrex had legit reasons for not being on the Normandy, (Grunt wanted to fight with fellow Krogan and is seen as a leader amongst them). I supposed Jack's had a good reason too, but come on, she's the baddest biotic in the galaxy and she's playing guidance counselor with a bunch of teens. Can we at least get the option to recruit her?



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You also need to factor in the morale boost of having her on the squad. Shepard fights 50% harder when she graces the battlefield with her presence.

lolhehehe I bet he does. :ph34r:



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I did not hate her, but she never was attractive to me (More like I hated Ashley for not trusting and turning her back on Shep). In fact I kinda ignored her throughout the game in my first run (never visited her in her room). She became a friend later on but nothing more. That is kinda odd since the romance has been supported so much by the story development in total (saves your life, most interactions during the games etc.).

 

I love to be faithful and have a partner who I can count on through all hardships. That is why Tali is my obvious choice, from all the Characters she appealed to me the most since the first run in ME 1 and she is - together with Garrus - the one who stands by your side in all parts.

 

Anyone noticed, that none of the in ME2 newly introduced characters made it into ME3 as a squadmate? For me that was a real downside - especially since part 2  mostly revolved around the companions!

Just on a side-note...

One of the things we have to remember is that in ME2, any of the squaddies could die. That's what made it hard to incorporate them in larger roles in ME3, since they might be dead. They only did Garrus and Tali for popularity power. 

 

Anyway, back to Liara. Would it have been so hard to get a Renegade Interrupt to tell her to shut the hell up when she's whining about Thessia after the planet falls. Why is it a Paragon Interrupt



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Would it have been so hard to get a Renegade Interrupt to tell her to shut the hell up when she's whining about Thessia after the planet falls. Why is it a Paragon Interrupt

 

Only if we can get the NPC's to tell Shepard to shut up about going on and on and on about Earth, even whilst standing in the light cast from a burning homeworld of another speciies.


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Only if we can get the NPC's to tell Shepard to shut up about going on and on and on about Earth, even whilst standing in the light cast from a burning homeworld of another speciies.

Ugh. I wanted to punch Shepard a couple of times, I swear. I always spacebar through Shepard's autodialogue there (and in Udina's office, and after Thessia, and...)

Also "it's good to be home?" Shepard, you're a colony kid who voiced his intent to settle on Rannoch after the war. Earth is that place where you sat in (pent)house arrest with your thumb up your ass for six months for no reason. It is not in any sense, past, present, or future, "home."

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Only if we can get the NPC's to tell Shepard to shut up about going on and on and on about Earth, even whilst standing in the light cast from a burning homeworld of another speciies.

 

I'll never quite understand why people are so eager to hold Liara's sadness after fall of Thessia against her. Seeing your own civilization fall has got to be traumatizing, no matter how badass you are.

 

Plus, you know, it's not like Liara's the only non-human squadmate that express her condolence to Shepard for the fall of Earth. As well as to Garrus. Admittedly, my memory is a little fuzzy on the details, but I believe that to be the case.

 

But no, she's a total whiner for mourning her planet and her people falling to Reapers.


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Come ME3 I actually dislike the Shepard I played more than the Liara I interacted with.



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But its ok for T'soni to go yell at Javik for no reason after thessia. All we get is a pathetic paragon interrupt. What I do after the mission is I ignore everyone and go to the galaxy map to head for my next destination


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But its ok for T'soni to go yell at Javik for no reason after thessia. All we get is a pathetic paragon interrupt. What I do after the mission is I ignore everyone and go to the galaxy map to head for my next destination

The "choose your flavor of butthurt" vid-com with Anderson gets shunned for the rest of the game.

I side with Javik in their fight.
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The "choose your flavor of butthurt" vid-com with Anderson gets shunned for the rest of the game.

I side with Javik in their fight.

I thought the Liara-Javik fight was one of the high points for both characters, since it showed both unpleasant and relatable parts of both of them. It's a rare moment in which Liara is not portrayed as the intended sympathetic character to favor, and Javik's lines on both routes (the renegade and the paragon) are both well written and spoken responses to Liara's unreasonableness.

 

The only thing I don't like about that dialogue sequence is how Shepard intervenes to shift Javik onto the paragon path that reconciles Javik and Liara. Felt awkward to me.


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Only if we can get the NPC's to tell Shepard to shut up about going on and on and on about Earth, even whilst standing in the light cast from a burning homeworld of another speciies.


Shepard really should have been trying to appeal to their interests and how everyone everywhere is gonna die.

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Simple- she's got no death points between three games right up until the end where you have to mess up to lose your teammates on the beam run. Characters introduced in Mass Effect 3 don't count as they haven't gone three games without dying. Joker gets less one on one material than Liara in the games she stars in.

 

Liara can't get shaped to your Shepard and while my primary Shepard considers her squad her family- it doesn't hold true to my Renegade, picky and semi psychotic Shepard and the stalker bit is creepy. It's not flattering to listen to her character try and insert herself with so little grace that I cringe like I'm reading bad fanfiction. It makes absolutely no sense for a character who insists she is Shepard's best friend not make comments in the second game, responding to your Shepard and how Joker got involved, etcetera. Her self-centred ego trips turn situations into 'look at me, I'm just awesome' so yes, I only take her when it's necessary or the plot demands it, like on Noveria.

 

It's bad enough that despite my struggle to choose between teammates for most missions, I never regret discarding T'Soni. My advice is next time the writers need to treat all the main squadmates equally, extra material dependent on personal interaction although I don't hate her. Her character simply frustrates me in a railroaded and often blandly favoured child of the writers.  



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Hummmmm.....

 

700 redundant "posts" and 10,000 views  (so far).

 

What kind of message does this send to the developers?    

 

No matter WHAT they do, there will always be those who will oppose them.   That being the case, it doesn't take rocket science to conclude what they will do in the next game.



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I'll never quite understand why people are so eager to hold Liara's sadness after fall of Thessia against her. Seeing your own civilization fall has got to be traumatizing, no matter how badass you are.

 

Plus, you know, it's not like Liara's the only non-human squadmate that express her condolence to Shepard for the fall of Earth. As well as to Garrus. Admittedly, my memory is a little fuzzy on the details, but I believe that to be the case.

 

But no, she's a total whiner for mourning her planet and her people falling to Reapers.

 

We're actually not holding it against Liara that the planet is gone and she's upset about it, we're holding it against her that, in response, she acts like a spoiled child. We're holding against her the utterly tasteless and inappropriate comments she makes on the mission, about how the Alliance could start dying for Thessia. We're holding it against the game that Shepard is crying and so utterly devastated for Thessia, even more than he was sad about Earth or Palaven.


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We're actually not holding it against Liara that the planet is gone and she's upset about it, we're holding it against her that, in response, she acts like a spoiled child. We're holding against her the utterly tasteless and inappropriate comments she makes on the mission, about how the Alliance could start dying for Thessia. We're holding it against the game that Shepard is crying and so utterly devastated for Thessia, even more than he was sad about Earth or Palaven.

 

Yeah because Shepard asking the entire galaxy to save Earth is totally appropriate. 



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Yeah because Shepard asking the entire galaxy to save Earth is totally appropriate. 

 

Humanity is Superior, you know.



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And the Asari are special where they can do no wrong

 

They don't show up to the summit. Don't worry, they're special. That's ok

 

They withhold information about a beacon on their planet. Don't worry, they're special. That's ok

 

I can yell at Joker for making a joke, but I can't yell at Liara for yelling at Javik for no reason. Don't worry, she's part of the special. That's ok

 

I have to say sorry to the Councilor. Don't worry, she's part of the special. That's ok


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