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[VelvetStraitjacket]

All I see is an almost extinct race of stripper bimbos. Withholding the information about the beacon sure didn't work in their favor.

The moral kids...sharing saves your home world from big bad squid monsters.

[Livi14]

Like the drell (apparently, when the BioWare artists were designing Thane's appearance they kept showing him to female employees in the offices to gauge just how much he was appealing to heterosexual women), the asari were created as fanservice. But I think there's nothing wrong with fanservice. What is wrong, is when the only reason they are there IS fanservice. And there is really more to the asari than that, the fleshed-out, interesting Asari characters were far more prevalent than the fanservic-y bar dancer kind.
 

All I see is an almost extinct race of stripper bimbos. Withholding the information about the beacon sure didn't work in their favor.
The moral kids...sharing saves your home world from big bad squid monsters.

Do you even pay attention while you're playing the game? They are neither almost extinct nor would have sharing saved Thessia or anyone else. Shepard explicitely says so in the post-Thessia conversation with Liara.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

No, I do not. I get distracted by all the pretty images!

[Farangbaa]

No, I do not. I get distracted by all the pretty images!

 

Another oppertunity to talk about one's hormonal situation.

 

What a day!

[DuskWanderer]

Like the drell (apparently, when the BioWare artists were designing Thane's appearance they kept showing him to female employees in the offices to gauge just how much he was appealing to heterosexual women), the asari were created as fanservice. But I think there's nothing wrong with fanservice. What is wrong, is when the only reason they are there IS fanservice. And there is really more to the asari than that, the fleshed-out, interesting Asari characters were far more prevalent than the fanservic-y bar dancer kind.
 

Do you even pay attention while you're playing the game? They are neither almost extinct nor would have sharing saved Thessia or anyone else. Shepard explicitely says so in the post-Thessia conversation with Liara.

 

That's just warm feelies to the fake bestie. If the asari had gotten on board earlier, even if the situation happened where Thessia fell, the Crucible would already have everything it needed. It's been made abundantly clear that Kai Leng would not have been in Thessia if Shepard had known to get the Catalyst before Udina's coup (and for all we know, that knowledge would have prevented Udina from cooperating with Cerberus)

 

The asari are more than a bunch of space bimbos. They're a bunch of lying hypocrites who hide behind the bimbo veneer to try and keep themselves on the top of the food chain. 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Another oppertunity to talk about one's hormonal situation.

 

What a day!

 

 

Or mental state.

 

On a more serious note, I actually like some of the asari Aria and Samara were some of my favorites in the trilogy, and Morinth was one of Bioware's most interesting characters.

[Livi14]

That's just warm feelies to the fake bestie. If the asari had gotten on board earlier, even if the situation happened where Thessia fell, the Crucible would already have everything it needed. It's been made abundantly clear that Kai Leng would not have been in Thessia if Shepard had known to get the Catalyst before Udina's coup (and for all we know, that knowledge would have prevented Udina from cooperating with Cerberus)
 
The asari are more than a bunch of space bimbos. They're a bunch of lying hypocrites who hide behind the bimbo veneer to try and keep themselves on the top of the food chain.

In-game dialogue from several objective characters trumps your headcanon. But don't let facts stop you.

[spirosz]

In-game dialogue from several objective characters trumps your headcanon. But don't let facts stop you.

 

The Asari lying and trying to keep themselves on top is factual. 

[Pateu]

So why did you mention her?

 

Because it's still a romance.

[Pateu]

In-game dialogue from several objective characters trumps your headcanon. But don't let facts stop you.

 

Logic trumps your headcanon about objective characters.

 

The only reason Thessia fell is that the Crucible wasn't done.

 

Why was it not done? Because they didn't tell the Alliance about the Prothean information.

 

With it, a load of mess would've been averted, including Shepard dying.

[Barquiel]

The Asari lying and trying to keep themselves on top is factual. 

 

Well, everyone is trying to keep themselves on top The asari government wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe that they achieved their level of technology on their own without the aid of the protheans. Big deal. But revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have changed a thing (ok, maybe a shorter game/less work for Shepard because there would have been no reason to attack Cronos station...and Miranda and her sister would have died on Horizon, of course). Why do we need the thessian beacon (Vendetta)? Because our scientists are too stupid to figure out that the crucible is designed to dock with the citadel

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready." (and according to Hackett the crucible is ready when we attack Cronos station...except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess)

This is an absolute fact with no room for interpretation.

[Farangbaa]

This is an absolute fact with no room for interpretation.

 

Just watch them.

[themikefest]

Well, everyone is trying to keep themselves on top The asari government wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe that they achieved their level of technology on their own without the aid of the protheans. Big deal. But revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have changed a thing (ok, maybe a shorter game/less work for Shepard because there would have been no reason to attack Cronos station...and Miranda and her sister would have died on Horizon, of course). Why do we need the thessian beacon (Vendetta)? Because our scientists are too stupid to figure out that the crucible is designed to dock with the citadel

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready."

This is an absolute fact with no room for interpretation.

Would they be where there at if they didn't have the beacon? Aren't they the ones who made the law that if any Prothean ruins, artifacts and anything having to due with the Protheans,  to let the Council know? They break their own laws. But that is ok because the Asari are special where they can do no wrong. Had that beacon of been on Earth, you would be at the front of the line complaining Earth should've told the Coucil of having it.

 

Had the beacon been revealed earlier it is possible that the crucible could've/would've been finished earlier. Vendetta says if you followed the plans it will integrate with your systems. With it been buildt earlier it could've/would've saved lives. It would've been taken to the Serpent Nebula and hooked up with the Citadel. Its even possible that the Citadel could've/would've been evacuated saving more lives.

[DuskWanderer]

Well, everyone is trying to keep themselves on top The asari government wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe that they achieved their level of technology on their own without the aid of the protheans. Big deal. But revealing the beacon earlier wouldn't have changed a thing (ok, maybe a shorter game/less work for Shepard because there would have been no reason to attack Cronos station...and Miranda and her sister would have died on Horizon, of course). Why do we need the thessian beacon (Vendetta)? Because our scientists are too stupid to figure out that the crucible is designed to dock with the citadel

Shepard: "If you'd told us sooner, we could have prepared for this."
Vendetta: "It was feared that if the Reapers learned of the catalyst's intended use, they would retake control of it. I was programmed to withold that information until the Crucible was ready." (and according to Hackett the crucible is ready when we attack Cronos station...except for the reaper heart/brain, I guess)

This is an absolute fact with no room for interpretation.

So having the Catalyst for when the Crucible was finished wouldn't matter? How do you suppose Cerberus would have obtained it? Kai Leng could very easily have gone to Thessia and found nothing, it wasn't as if Udina was in the loop about the Catalyst to tell him. They clearly never stopped the Crucible. 

 

Get over your asari worship, both of you. The asari f-ed up the whole galaxy for no other reason then they tried to look like they were the best. End of discussion.

 

 

I also notice how the asari worshippers claim objective sources, but don't cite a single one. Obviously, they don't have any.

[rekn2]

A.) We relate to humans in fantasy for a very obvious reason: We are humans

 

B.) No, they're not. Shepard seems Mary Sue by virtue of being the player character, but the rest of humanity is massively flawed.

 

C.) How is criticizing Liara hypocritical of Shepard?

i think its blatantly obvious that youre playing with daddy's (mac/casey's) little girl  by me3

[Mordokai]

All I see is an almost extinct race of stripper bimbos. Withholding the information about the beacon sure didn't work in their favor.

The moral kids...sharing saves your home world from big bad squid monsters.

 

Anybody who fails to see more than a race of space stripper bimbos in asari is either blind or willfully igorant.

 

Addendum.

 

Or stupid or troll.

[Zazzerka]

End of discussion.

 

Oh, if only.

[rekn2]

So having the Catalyst for when the Crucible was finished wouldn't matter? How do you suppose Cerberus would have obtained it? Kai Leng could very easily have gone to Thessia and found nothing, it wasn't as if Udina was in the loop about the Catalyst to tell him. They clearly never stopped the Crucible. 

 

Get over your asari worship, both of you. The asari f-ed up the whole galaxy for no other reason then they tried to look like they were the best. End of discussion.

 

 

I also notice how the asari worshippers claim objective sources, but don't cite a single one. Obviously, they don't have any.

exactly.

 

this is also a measure of the writer's incompetence. when you step back and look at the whole picture you can tell that they didnt have a clue how it all pieced together. that or some one on the writers team is a Fing genius and wrote it in as a slap to their "superiors"

[DeinonSlayer]

exactly.
 
this is also a measure of the writer's incompetence. when you step back and look at the whole picture you can tell that they didnt have a clue how it all pieced together. that or some one on the writers team is a Fing genius and wrote it in as a slap to their "superiors"

Well, given Chris E'toile's post about how "higher paid" forced him to rewrite Legion as obsessed with and stalking Shepard and include that crap about "essence of a species" in the Suicide Mission, not to mention Weekes' testimony about the endings, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened elsewhere.

I find it funny how immediately after the Beacon reveal we're given no option except to express sympathy towards a representative of the government in question. Our only choice is to either claim responsibility for the fall of Thessia or blame ourselves for Cerberus being there? The hell?

[themikefest]

Well, given Chris E'toile's post about how "higher paid" forced him to rewrite Legion as obsessed with and stalking Shepard and include that crap about "essence of a species" in the Suicide Mission, not to mention Weekes' testimony about the endings, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened elsewhere.

I find it funny how immediately after the Beacon reveal we're given no option except to express sympathy towards a representative of the government in question. Our only choice is to either claim responsibility for the fall of Thessia or blame ourselves for Cerberus being there? The hell?

That's why when I  regain control of Shepard, I go straight to the galaxy map and head for my next destination. I just avoid talking with anyone

 

I would like to hear what Hackett would say about the mission. Not that it would make a difference.

[DuskWanderer]

I think he is referring to the banter with your party when Traynor tells you about heading to Sanctuary. The paragon option is saying it's all your fault, and the renegade is that Cerberus got the jump, and that's on Shepard. Unfortunately, it can't be skipped.

[Livi14]

So having the Catalyst for when the Crucible was finished wouldn't matter? How do you suppose Cerberus would have obtained it? Kai Leng could very easily have gone to Thessia and found nothing, it wasn't as if Udina was in the loop about the Catalyst to tell him. They clearly never stopped the Crucible. 

 

Get over your asari worship, both of you. The asari f-ed up the whole galaxy for no other reason then they tried to look like they were the best. End of discussion.

 

 

I also notice how the asari worshippers claim objective sources, but don't cite a single one. Obviously, they don't have any.

 

Vendetta is an objective sopurce (Cronos dialogue) - and you ignored it
EDI is an objective source (post thessia banter with Liara) - and you ignored it
Hackett is an objective source (talking about the progress of the crucible) - and you ignored it
Shepard is at least a semi-objective source (talking about the activation of the beacon, post Thessia dialogue with Liara and the conversation with Vendetta on Cronos) - and you ignored it

That has nothing to do with cerberus either. Shepard has access to Vendetta exactly when we need it, namely when the crucible construction is finished (confirmed by Hackett). The catalyst also reveals that the reapers always knew what the crucible was, and that they knew the plans. The catalyst doesn't need Cerberus or some prothean beacon to get this information. We can speculate why the reapers didn't attack the citadel earlier, but they would have attacked the citadel regardless of the events on Thessia, simply because the reapers have already conquered the rest of the known galaxy. So, unless you have any dialogue to back up your claim that the crucible would already have everything it needed if the asari government had revealed the beacon earlier, it is nothing but conjecture on your part. It is in fact contradicted by the in-game sources I posted. But since I already know that you won't do that, just like you ignore every poll that disagrees with your viewpoint, I won't pursue this further (it doesn't even has anything to do with Liara). Fortunately, this shiny new forum has an ignore function.

[KaiserShep]

The Catalyst was aware of the plans, but also believed that these plans were destroyed, by its own admission that it underestimated the resourcefulness of the organics. The reapers also did not know that the Citadel was key to the Crucible's completion.

[themikefest]

Vendetta: Very well. If you have followed the plans for the Crucible, I will interface with your systems and assist with the Catalyst to--

 

Its possible that Vendetta could help with building the Crucible, since it knows about the plans, that may of been completed earlier

[DuskWanderer]

Congratulations, you've made zero sense whatsoever. None of the people you've mentioned say or do anything that changes the asari sat on their racial secret. You're just saying random things now.

 

EDI only says that Liara would have needed the Cypher to probably comprehend the beacon, but clearly, the asari who spent thousands of years researching it and getting technical breakthroughs (every squaddie, EDI included, mentions this on Thessia) didn't need it. The beacon also activates without knowledge of the Crucible's completion, only that it can only distribute it when it's finished. It would be simple enough to say "OK, Vendetta, we'll finish the Crucible, then you can tell us how to use the Catalyst." The difference is, Hackett would have the beacon instead of Kai Leng taking it on Thessia. Sounds to me like EDI is just saying nice things to Liara (remember, she has the ability to lie to spare someone's feelings)

 

Hackett never says anything about the Catalyst. The other sources don't say anything either.

 

 

And why are you bringing up the Starchild? No one has mentioned the Starchild or the Reapers yet. You've gone past putting words in my mouth, you've spun a story from whole cloth (and not a very good one). No where in the posts does it say "The Reapers knew about the Crucible", that's irrelevant to the discussion. We are talking about the asari, Vendetta, and how they sat on their racial secret. Your argument was that it wouldn't have mattered (an argument you provide no evidence for aside from EDI's statements which aren't the most accurate given she contradicts herself if you take her to Thessia).

 

Also, remember that Vendetta's failsafes were overridden on Cronos Station, allowing him to share the secrets of the Citadel before the Crucible was finished. Are you telling me the Alliance and all the tech people can't do that, too?

 

Start dealing with the arguments on the page, stop making up random things to prove a point. And post things that are true, too. Otherwise, just don't post in here.