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[DeinonSlayer]

Just remembered this was supposed to be the "no spoilers" forum. Are we caring about that anymore? I get the impression we don't. Game's only, what, three years old?

[Livi14]

The Catalyst was aware of the plans, but also believed that these plans were destroyed, by its own admission that it underestimated the resourcefulness of the organics. The reapers also did not know that the Citadel was key to the Crucible's completion.

 

Vendatta mentions that the prothean crucible project was sabotaged within by an indoctrinated separate group and the protheans always knew that the "citadel is the catalyst", therefore the reapers should know this, too. I mean, the catalyst explains that the crucible by itself is just an energy source and can't really be fired. Only when docked with the Citadel does it become a true weapon. As far as I understood it, the reapers knew that the Crucible is being built (via indoctrinated TIM who knows that Liara found the plans on Mars), but Hackett's really good at hiding a giant space construction.

 

Vendetta: Very well. If you have followed the plans for the Crucible, I will interface with your systems and assist with the Catalyst to--

 

Its possible that Vendetta could help with building the Crucible, since it knows about the plans, that may of been completed earlier

 

According to Hackett the crucible schematics are designed insuch a way that allows our scientists to easily translate the information because they are not prothean specific. How is Vendetta supposed to help?

[Livi14]

Just remembered this was supposed to be the "no spoilers" forum. Are we caring about that anymore? I get the impression we don't. Game's only, what, three years old?

 

Hm, you're right of course. I'll drop it.

[Farangbaa]

Just remembered this was supposed to be the "no spoilers" forum. Are we caring about that anymore? I get the impression we don't. Game's only, what, three years old?

 

If you're this late to the party, you gotta expect to have to evade puddles of puke.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Addendum.

 

Or stupid or troll.

 

Or maybe someone is a bit too sensitive and takes everything a bit too seriously, like a bunch of blue pixels in a video game.

[Sir DeLoria]

Have a good night, child.

I believe it's pretty safe to say that Mikefest has far more experience in life than most people on this board

[Sir DeLoria]

The asari government wanted the rest of the galaxy to believe that they achieved their level of technology on their own without the aid of the protheans. Big deal.

Yes, hiding Prothean tech is illegal and the Asari government will and should be punished accordingly.

[spirosz]

I lol'd at the "big deal".

 

Like - hey, we could of prevented millions of dying - no biggie!  

[spirosz]

Anyway, back to Liara - I don't hate her character per say, I hate the way the writers dealt with her arc and forced attention on Shepard/plot in general.  

[wolfhowwl]

I lol'd at the "big deal".

 

Like - hey, we could of prevented millions of dying - no biggie!  

 

How many Renegade points do you think they got for that?

[Vilio1]

They couldn't, because nobody knew the beacon was housing a secret Prothean VI that had info on the Crucible. As for Liara, I don't mind if people don't like Liara, the asari (even if I can't understand their logic sometimes) or other characters that I like, I'm glad this forum is a diverse place and it would be boring if everyone was the same. But it does bug me when people hate on a character, saying they wish the character could be killed etc. There's a difference between voicing an opinion and being an arse about it (lol all asari are blue bimbos!!!). I mean, there are a couple of characters I don't like and I don't constantly write posts like let's kill all the suit rats!!!!!

[Sir DeLoria]

They couldn't, because nobody knew the beacon was housing a secret Prothean VI that had info on the Crucible.

Doesn't matter, the council races were searching everywhere for scraps of any Prothean technology and yet the Asari decided to hide one of the biggest beacons in the galaxy for whatever stupid reason. Hiding tech is a serious crime and laws are laws.

[Vilio1]

I wasn't aware that the salarians or the turians did anything to help the crucible project, let alone open their own archives. At least the asari did help with the construction and send some scientists. But I didn't get any WA points for the crucible from salarian or turian sources. But that wasn't my point. I don't mind people not liking certain races or characters for one reason or another, it's just like real life. We don't like everyone. I just sometimes get a little peeved when their own prejudice against the character or race voids even the good the race/character did. For example, you're right - hiding tech is against the law. But everyone seems to forget that the asari still contribute more to the war effort than every other race except humans and krogan. And as mentioned above, I dislike the tacit and implicit misogyny in this thread (bimbo, ******, etc ).

With that being said, back to the Dragon Age forums

[rekn2]

I wasn't aware that the salarians or the turians did anything to help the crucible project, let alone open their own archives. At least the asari did help with the construction and send some scientists. But I didn't get any WA points for the crucible from salarian or turian sources. But that wasn't my point. I don't mind people not liking certain races or characters for one reason or another, it's just like real life. We don't like everyone. I just sometimes get a little peeved when their own prejudice against the character or race voids even the good the race/character did. For example, you're right - hiding tech is against the law. But everyone seems to forget that the asari still contribute more to the war effort than every other race except humans and krogan. And as mentioned above, I dislike the tacit and implicit misogyny in this thread (bimbo, ******, etc ).

With that being said, back to the Dragon Age forums

 

 

it would be the same if liara was a man just different semantics i.e. mommas boy, pansy etc

[KaiserShep]

Mama's boy and pansy are not masculine equivalents of words like bimbo (though they would not really be acceptable either). I strongly suspect that such terms wouldn't be used if there was a male character in place of Liara anyway. It would most likely be references to the alien appearance and nothing more. It's only the female characters that get these words, I guess because it's a popular habit. In any case, I never really took Liara as an empty-headed character, but whatever.

[rekn2]

Mama's boy and pansy are not masculine equivalents of words like bimbo (though they would not really be acceptable either). I strongly suspect that such terms wouldn't be used if there was a male character in place of Liara anyway. It would most likely be references to the alien appearance and nothing more. It's only the female characters that get these words, I guess because it's a popular habit. In any case, I never really took Liara as an empty-headed character, but whatever.

he would be called a sissy

[rekn2]

check the context **** like bimbo and ****** dont mean what they used to. a cut is a cut

[Oni Changas]

Incompetant woman (90% of the asari race) = Bimbo. It's just calling it like it is.
Quarian women tend to be shrewd or strong willed.
Turian women happen to be badasses.
Salarian women usually run things.
Krogan women are shown as wise and powerful in their own right.
Humans are all over the place.

There's no mysogyny up in here.

I've even said I liked Liara in ME1. Despite being a nub like Tali, she had her moments of hilarity and felt much more genuine as a character. Though to compare my initial feelings of her in ME2, I at first thought she was Aria. Aria's persona is consistent as the always-aloof hardened leader of the galaxy's degenerates. Liara on the other hand, I realized hadn't quite changed but rather kept teetering and felt as if she were forcing herself to act cool and tough. She's making these grievous threats and still comes across as a nub. Perhaps a lot of that blame goes to her voice actress from me (and Shepard's assumed/mandatory friendship).

[DeinonSlayer]

@Oni
"NUB." Had to consult the Urban Dictionary on that one. I would call neither Tali nor Liara non-useful bodies, though out of the two of them, Liara is the only one with no established combat training of any kind. As far as gameplay is concerned (ME1), Tali puts Ashley's skillset to shame and comes with the most powerful shields in the game to boot, and Liara, while quick to go down and basically unarmed, has biotics which are hilariously overpowered. In an RP sense, Liara is the last person on the squad I'd consider taking into the field. I concur on the assumed/mandatory friendship, though.

[Sir DeLoria]

I wasn't aware that the salarians or the turians did anything to help the crucible project,

They supplied much needed military relief, especially the Turians.

let alone open their own archives.

What archives? The Asari are the only ones with a huge Prothean beacon right in the middle of a large city.

For example, you're right - hiding tech is against the law. But everyone seems to forget that the asari still contribute more to the war effort than every other race except humans and krogan.

Hiding tech is against the law, period. The Asari government screwed up and needs to feel the consequences. And I'm pretty sure that the Turians, Quarians and Geth contribute equally or more to the war effort

Edit: Minor correction thanks to Deinon

[DeinonSlayer]

They supplied much needed military relief, the Turians provided more than almost anyone.

The Turians provide a max of 648 war assets (quick number crunch on the Wikia).
 

What archives? The Asari are the only ones with a huge Prothean beacon right in the middle of a large city.

THE ONES THAT NEED TO EXIST TO EXCUSE THEM shut up!
 

Hiding tech is against the law, period. The Asari government screwed up and needs to feel the consequences. And I'm pretty sure that the Turians, Quarians and Geth contribute equally or more to the war effort

Asari provide a max of 698 war assets, Quarians provide a max of 830 (an additional 45 straight to the Crucible if you support Xen's salvage efforts), Geth provide a max of 815. Salarians provide a paltry 385 if you keep Mordin alive and sabotage the Genophage. Krogan provide 895 if the cure is distributed with Wrex in charge and Eve alive.

The Alliance has some crazy high number of war assets, more than any other (because humans is special). The Asari are typically in fourth place in species-specific war assets, capable of reaching second place if you blow up the stronger side in the Quarian vs Geth conflict and get the Krogan to withdraw from the fight entirely by sabotaging the cure with Wrex at the helm. Basically, Asari can only ascend beyond fourth place by aggressively pursuing their assets and screwing up asset collection elsewhere.

[Mordokai]

Incompetant woman (90% of the asari race) = Bimbo. It's just calling it like it is.

 

Samara, Liara, Dr. Jelize, Rana Thanoptis, Serrice guard, asari engineers helping with Crucible and every multiplayer asari character would like to have a word with you. As well as pretty much every named asari character in the games, as well as good portion of unnamed ones.

 

Quarian women tend to be shrewd or strong willed.

 

Yeah, admiral Ra'an(you know, one of the top dogs in quarian society) is a shining example of those qualites.

 

Turian women happen to be badasses.

 

We meet one turian woman. Two, if you count cabal from multiplayer. If you're basing your findings on a reference sample of one(possibly two), well, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

 

Salarian women usually run things.

 

Asari are running the galaxy

 

Krogan women are shown as wise and powerful in their own right.

 

You mean Bakara, whom Liara compares in wisdom to asari matriarch?

 

Humans are all over the place.

 

Yeah, big surprise there. We're like roaches... we breed everywhere

 

There's no mysogyny up in here.

 

You're right, just obliviousness and selectiveness.

[DuskWanderer]

Liara is neither strong-willed nor very intelligent. I'm sure she's a passable, but not great, Prothean scientist and has basic asari training in biotics, the equivalent of gym class. If you want examples of strong, capable asari women, I'd go for the asari NPCs you meet on Thessia. (Lieutenant Kurin, Specialist Jenova, "Outpost Tykis", and Talon Five). A non-soldier would be Matriarch Athetyta They are badasses who fought for the defense of their home as valiantly as they could. A shame Asari High Command, the supposed wise leaders, couldn't recognize their greatness. And doomed many of them, and the rest of the species, for their arrogance. Anyone objective who looks at it can see what they did was wrong, long before the war even started. The asari put forth the penalties for withholding Prothean tech, and they decided they were too good to follow them.

 

 

Liara, by contrast, is just some random civilian given unbelievable talents and abilities through the power of plot.

[Farangbaa]

 Liara, by contrast, is just some random civilian given unbelievable talents and abilities through the power of plot.

 

Ah, like Shepard and Tali.

Shepard isn't a random civilian, I know. He's a God Soldier. With powers far surpassing anything in the galay, for no reason at all.

[DuskWanderer]

Ah, like Shepard and Tali.

Shepard isn't a random civilian, I know. He's a God Soldier. With powers far surpassing anything in the galay, for no reason at all.

 

Shepard is considered for Spectre talent long before the first game starts. That is part of his backstory, Akuze/Elysium/Torfan. You may not like it, but there is a reason for it.

 

The only time Tali's skills are mentioned is her mechanical and technical skills. Of which quarians are the best when it comes to hacking and computing.

 

 

Liara is a college grad with no special talents whatsoever. It's been established that asari and humans are of comparable skill in biotics, and Liara has had, literally, no weapons training at all ever mentioned.