So your saying T'soni found the plans right at the very moment when Cerberus attacked? I doubt that.
I would say she never actually found the plans to the Crucible till we got in the archives. She just found clues leading to the archives where the plans could be found.
Either way, she found them.
Either way, she found them.
I would say Eva found them first
I would say Eva found them first
Sure, whatever floats your boat. Just makes humanity even look more helpless, They needed either an asari scientist or a human terrorist group to find the most important device in the Reaper war on their research base. woohoo.
If the Asari are as selfish as you claim them to be, I don't see why they bother to serve as mediators of the Council, or stopped the turians from obliterating humanity.
Serving as mediators to look good and stopping the Turians to serve their needs better at the end of the day, which is fine - Humanity would be selfish as well, it's just that we didn't hold a piece of knowledge that could of, you know... done things, but you know "big deal, right?".
I would say Eva found them first
Judging from one of the data pad entries you can come across as you make your way to the archives, Eva was horning in on everyone's work and looking through their files, much to the disapproval of one of the poor suckers who died in the attack. Then there's the fact that Cerberus was using surveillance to keep tabs on their progress. So, it's likely that they found it first, and Cerberus simply watched and waited.
Sure, whatever floats your boat. Just makes humanity even look more helpless, They needed either an asari scientist or a human terrorist group to find the most important device in the Reaper war on their research base. woohoo.
Why is humanity helpless? Is it because they don't understand the ruins? The one thing that bothers me the most about that is why didn't the council send a team or a Prothean scholar to help study the ruins? Or why didn't humanity ask for help from the council to study the ruins?
Sure, whatever floats your boat. Just makes humanity even look more helpless, They needed either an asari scientist or a human terrorist group to find the most important device in the Reaper war on their research base. woohoo.
I suppose that's better than having a prothean becon for thousands of years and fail to even notice the reaper data in it.
This is stuff you copy from the codex and post here. This is, in a way, irrelevant. What truly matters for me is what we see in the game, and the truth is that in all three Mass Effect I saw one or two Asari there were worth something. They come up as vain with not capacity to stand up to themselves. Pretty, but with no substance.
Why is humanity helpless? Is it because they don't understand the ruins? The one thing that bothers me the most about that is why didn't the council send a team or a Prothean scholar to help study the ruins? Or why didn't humanity ask for help from the council to study the ruins?
Without Council help, humanity is helpless in dealing with Prothy/Reaper tech (i.e. Eden Prime), aside from TIM's pernicious doings that ultimately have little to do with humanity's well-being. As for your other questions: 
I suppose that's better than having a prothean becon for thousands of years and fail to even notice the reaper data in it.
If you think so. Regardless, neither blunder qualifies an entire civilization to be a "failure". Like James said, its "hard to imagine how you prepare for a thing like [the Reaper attack]". It was not only the Asari, but all of the Council races as well as humanity that failed to heed Shepard's warnings and didn't believe the Reaper/Prothean connection as a thing to act upon.
Serving as mediators to look good and stopping the Turians to serve their needs better at the end of the day, which is fine - Humanity would be selfish as well, it's just that we didn't hold a piece of knowledge that could of, you know... done things, but you know "big deal, right?".
this sounds like headcanon.
This is stuff you copy from the codex and post here. This is, in a way, irrelevant.
Yeah, lets completely disregard the official lore encyclopedia of the game.
Because, you know, it kills your argument so therefore it must be irrelevant.
Ha, the internet, what a place 
It's funny how people go on about this becaon and how it could have saved lot's of lives etc.
You know what would have saved more? Humanity getting it's home grown terrorism under control. That's a massive failure right there.
I also find it funny how everybody is ready to bash on asari for hiding the beacon, but everybody conveniently overlooks the efforts of humanity's own councilor to give the control over the Citadel(aka, the Catalyst) to the aforementioned terrorists. How many lives have been lost there? How many would have been lost had they succeeded?
Where's the hate for humanity, people? Double standards?
And the council did send someone to the Mars archives to help study the ruins, but she was locked out/kept in the dark (there was a CDN story).
Do you have a link for that? I wonder who and why she was locked out and when this happened? I would personally dropkick the person/persons, who locked her out, to the next planet.
I also find it funny how everybody is ready to bash on asari for hiding the beacon, but everybody conveniently overlooks the efforts of humanity's own councilor to give the control over the Citadel(aka, the Catalyst) to the aforementioned terrorists. How many lives have been lost there? How many would have been lost had they succeeded?
Where's the hate for humanity, people? Double standards?
I won't argue about Udina. I would've liked to of shot him in the shoulder to see what information he could provide. Why not create a thread asking your question?
“Controversy brews tonight as scientists on Mars assess the contents of a newly opened chamber in the Prothean ruins. The opening has been a dream of exoarchaeologists for decades, delayed by the many steps necessary to replicate Prothean code keys and crack the cryptography for entry. Critics say the Milky Way Foundation, which provided supercomputers for the cryptanalysis, could hoard any Prothean discoveries. Dr. Unira T’Lam, liaison from the Citadel Committee on Paleotechnology, says she’s been kept in the dark. “Foundation personnel have orchestrated a security system that keeps out everyone except a select cabal,” she accuses. “Anything could be taken from inside and we’d never know.” Dr. Ilsa Warren, who heads the analysis unit, dismisses the allegation. “We’ve made it clear all technology stays in situ throughout the cataloging and analysis process, which could take years,” she says. “Dr. T’Lam’s fears would be more appropriate closer to the end of the decade.””
The Milky Way Foundation is also listed as a front organization for Cerberus by the Shadow Broker.
I also find it funny how everybody is ready to bash on asari for hiding the beacon, but everybody conveniently overlooks the efforts of humanity's own councilor to give the control over the Citadel(aka, the Catalyst) to the aforementioned terrorists. How many lives have been lost there? How many would have been lost had they succeeded?
Where's the hate for humanity, people? Double standards?
What the Asari government did is absolutely despicable, you shouldn't try to defend it.
Er, no. It really isn't.
I also find it funny how everybody is ready to bash on asari for hiding the beacon, but everybody conveniently overlooks the efforts of humanity's own councilor to give the control over the Citadel(aka, the Catalyst) to the aforementioned terrorists. How many lives have been lost there? How many would have been lost had they succeeded?
Where's the hate for humanity, people? Double standards?
Yeah, lets completely disregard the official lore encyclopedia of the game.
Because, you know, it kills your argument so therefore it must be irrelevant.
Ha, the internet, what a place
Istead of being all sarcastic about what I said you tried to actually understand it you'd make the internet a batter place.
Let me put this way: Let's say there is a random character in the game, and the codex says it's a extremely complex character and some deep psychological scarring. Yet, the writing for this character is almost childish, with no complexity to it whatsoever. What matters the most? For me, it's the latter.
In the codex you can write anything you like, but you doesn't matter if you cannot make it so in the game. You have to be able to create what you imagined there. That's why I even argue about the importance of the codex, and if there might be a better way to convey the information you want.
Er, no. It really isn't.
Yeah, because hiding crucial information from your allies in a war for your own political agenda is totally cool, right?
It's pure hindsight that it is important. It could have been just another eden prime warning.
As to hiding things - how about a massive bomb on a planet? We only find out about that because it goes wrong.
That's not a valid comparison. The beacon choice was made by the entire(or at least a major part) of the Asari government, while the betrayal of Udina was the work of a single man. We don't even know if Udina was indoctrinated or not when he did his little 180°.
You'll have to back that bolded claim with something more substantial than just "because I said so". We don't know how asari government works. In fact, the wiki states that "few outside highest echelons of the asari government were aware of the part the Protheans played in asari history." What's that, one percent? Ten? Fifty? In any case, I'm willing to believe that what you're saying here is not the case.
Besides, what is more dangerous? A mistake that takes careful orchestration of entire body of government(which, again, I believe is not the case) and takes millennia to unfold or an action made by a single person that takes couple of years(if you're willing to believe Udina and TIM took that long to plan the coup, which I again find unlikely) to get in motion.
Udina screwed big time. If there wasn't a war going on, humanity would loose the seat on Council because of what he did. No buts, ifs, maybes... scram! In fact, I'm pretty sure, were humanity not the special little snowflakes we are in MEverse, we should loose the seat anyway. Not to mention major political and economical ramifications.
And yet, we never hear even a line of background chatter on how much humanity is hated. Something that alien population of Citadel at least would be very much entitled to after the coup.
What the Asari government did is absolutely despicable, you shouldn't try to defend it.
I'm not trying to defend anything, though I believe I understand why they did it. Despicable also isn't the word I'd use to describe it.
They screwed up and they paid the price. But they weren't the only ones screwing up and they are the only ones taking the blame.
Mistakes were made. I find it funny we can only point a finger at one faction, when there is, in fact, blame to be shared.
Precisely. Who exactly gets to be high and mighty in this regard? The human councilor stages a coup, TIM and Cerberus with their rich and powerful backers on Earth and in the Alliance spent all of ME3 openly helping the Reapers, the salarians sat on the sidelines during the war and tried to uplift the Yahg, the quarians didn't care about the rest of the galaxy and started their own little war. Are all these races failures? The only race that looked good during the war were the turians. We're told only a tiny cabal of asari were privileged to the knowledge that the prothean beacon even existed, and that is still a step removed from actually collaborating with the Reapers, attacking a race that is willing to fight the reapers or watching from the sidelines.
Such as this. Thank you for pointing it out for me.
Sure the Turians screwed up there, but that's completely irrelevant here.
I believe uber is, in fact, referring to humanity sending nukes into turian space.
He can fix me if I'm wrong.
EDIT: proven wrong, my bad.
Istead of being all sarcastic about what I said you tried to actually understand it you'd make the internet a batter place.
Let me put this way: Let's say there is a random character in the game, and the codex says it's a extremely complex character and some deep psychological scarring. Yet, the writing for this character is almost childish, with no complexity to it whatsoever. What matters the most? For me, it's the latter.
In the codex you can write anything you like, but you doesn't matter if you cannot make it so in the game. You have to be able to create what you imagined there. That's why I even argue about the importance of the codex, and if there might be a better way to convey the information you want.
Or going into the favellas, and only the favellas and proclaiming all Brazilians are poor people with no hope for the future.
Or claiming the entire human race consists of backstabbing megalomanic idiots because cerberus exists.
Or claiming that all salarians are narcissistic, power hungry backstabbing traitors because of dalatrass Linron.
Or claiming all krogan are chauvinistic, bloodthirsty, insensitive brutes because of Wreav.
Or claiming that all quarians are war mongering idiots and profiteers because of Han'Gerrel and Daro'Xen.
Or claiming all turians are empty headed sarcastic show-offs because of Sparatus.
The list goes on.
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