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[DeinonSlayer]

Your post is basically the equivalent of this:You use ogyxen molecules to liveNo no no, I have never seen an oxygen molucule, they don't exist!Or going into the favellas, and only the favellas and proclaiming all Brazilians are poor people with no hope for the future.Or claiming the entire human race consists of backstabbing megalomanic idiots because cerberus exists.

Have a bit of a change of heart on collective blame, then?

[DuskWanderer]

Alright people, Let's sum it up to this. The Asari government is selfish, They kept the beacon for themselves and that was a bad call. But also, most humans are power-hungry and very strictly thinking, Like Hackett. The Illusive Man is purely the opposite of Hackett, He takes whatever means necessary to achieve his goals and he's very open. So, Every government makes mistakes, Every government is selfish. But that's what ME3 was for, To make you change the course of history.

Illusive Man: Cerberus isn’t just an organisation or the people behind it. Cerberus is an idea; that idea is not so easily destroyed.

 

Illusive Man: Fascinating race, the Protheans. They left all this for us to discover, but we've squandered it. The Alliance has known about the Archives for more than 30 years, and what have they done with it?

 

 

About Liara, She's not my personal favorite, But everyone has their own style. Some people see her as childish, Some people like her. It doesn't matter, That's what Mass Effect is all about, To make everyone choose their own path. For instance, I hate Jack so bloody-much, But i understand others' reasons to like her. it's a simple as that.
 

We know the asari government is selfish, the problem is, Liaramancers and asari lovers seem to think they were, somehow, in the right to do so.

 

I don't see the humans like that. I've yet to see the Alliance act in such a unilaterally dooming the galaxy way.

 

As for Liara, we're fully aware that some people like her and some don't. The lovers seem to blame non-existent silliness on the haters, not the opposite. The problem isn't that: The problem is, no matter how you treat her when you first meet her, she has to be treated like your complete and utter bestie, and you have to be nice and friendly to her. Citadel DLC require you to flirt with her if you have a non-squadmate LI, or no LI at all (and respond positively to it)

[Sir DeLoria]

No it's not. It's an example of another race hiding something from their allies (and a fairly major one at that) and yet again they get a free pass - but not the asari! Boo hiss!

How does that make the crime of the Asari any better? Yeah, the others screwed up just the same, so they're all responsible in their own way.

You'll have to back that bolded claim with something more substantial than just "because I said so". We don't know how asari government works. In fact, the wiki states that "few outside highest echelons of the asari government were aware of the part the Protheans played in asari history." What's that, one percent? Ten? Fifty? In any case, I'm willing to believe that what you're saying here is not the case.

It doesn't really matter how many government officials new about it, the Asari government as a whole is still responsible. The Asari clearly voted for the wrong people.

Besides, what is more dangerous? A mistake that takes careful orchestration of entire body of government(which, again, I believe is not the case) and takes millennia to unfold or an action made by a single person that takes couple of years(if you're willing to believe Udina and TIM took that long to plan the coup, which I again find unlikely) to get in motion.

What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Asari development, but with the fact that they hid information in the form of Prothean technology away from the other council races.

Udina screwed big time. If there wasn't a war going on, humanity would loose the seat on Council because of what he did. No buts, ifs, maybes... scram! In fact, I'm pretty sure, were humanity not the special little snowflakes we are in MEverse, we should loose the seat anyway. Not to mention major political and economical ramifications.

I highly doubt that. If humanity was punished this was punished this way, so should the Asari, but no they didn't suffer any ramifications whatsoever either. The Asari get almost the same "special little snowflake" treatment as the humans do in ME.

And yet, we never hear even a line of background chatter on how much humanity is hated. Something that alien population of Citadel at least would be very much entitled to after the coup.

Do you get any chatter about how much the Asari are hated for screwing up so much? No, so what's your point here?

And no they would absolutely not be, humanity can't be held responsible for one mad man. What's worse one crazy human politician or an entire collective of the highest ranking Asari politicians hindering the war effort?

I'm not trying to defend anything, though I believe I understand why they did it. They screwed up and they paid the prize. But they weren't the only ones screwing up and they are the only ones taking the blame.

Why pray tell me? To conceal their Prothean guinea pig history, out of pride, when the galaxy is at the verge of total annihilation? That is no good reason

And no, they didn't really pay the prize, which is the entire point of this argument.

Mistakes were made. I find it funny we can only point a finger at one faction, when there is, in fact, blame to be shared.

We can chastise the entire Quarian admirality board and even have them destroyed, we can berate the Krogan and have them go extinct, we can we can accuse the Turian Primarch, berate Legion and have the Geth annihilated, mock the Salarian dalatrass but we have to apologize to the Asari councilor and can't confront her or anyone else for this massive screw up. That's the problem, that's the point of this debate.

Yes, of course they all made major mistakes, but the Asari are the only ones(except for humanity) to get away completely scott-free.

[SNascimento]

So unless you observed the entire Asari race, their planets, got your hands on their economic numbers and double checked them against references, your post is pure **** and you're debunking lore on a sample size of a couple of dozens on a population of 10s of billions.

Or going into the favellas, and only the favellas and proclaiming all Brazilians are poor people with no hope for the future.
 

You err when you treat the Asari like a real life species or scenario. It would be true then, that judging the entire species from the little with seen is wrong. But that's not what we have in the game, and that's what matters for me. They represented the Asari in such a way that the conclusion I reached is the one I posted some time ago.

In your favellas example. What we have in the game is something like a film that shows Brazil in such a way that the viewers are lead to believe it's a very poor country and that everybody lives like that. Would it be wrong? Yes, since Brazil is not like that. Would it change the fact that the film displayed Brazil in a poor light? No. The representation is, and will be the same, regardless of the truth.

The different in then that while Brazil exist and you can see everything about it and realize that film portrayed it poorly, the Asari don't. They exist only in their representation within the game and in the lore of the codex. And it's the former that holds value for me.

[themikefest]

Udina screwed big time. If there wasn't a war going on, humanity would loose the seat on Council because of what he did. No buts, ifs, maybes... scram! In fact, I'm pretty sure, were humanity not the special little snowflakes we are in MEverse, we should loose the seat anyway. Not to mention major political and economical ramifications.

 

I agree Udina screwed up. That's why I said in an earlier post of mine, that I wanted to shoot him in the shoulder to see if he can provide any information on why he did what he did. I wouldn't have a problem with humanity loosing their seat.

 

If you say humanity should loose their seat, then would you agree the Asari should loose their seat as well for withholding information about having an artifact on their planet?

[Barquiel]

You err when you treat the Asari like a real life species or scenario. It would be true then, that judging the entire species from the little with seen is wrong. But that's not what we have in the game, and that's what matters for me. They represented the Asari in such a way that the conclusion I reached is the one I posted some time ago.

In your favellas example. What we have in the game is something like a film that shows Brazil in such a way that the viewers are lead to believe it's a very poor country and that everybody lives like that. Would it be wrong? Yes, since Brazil is not like that. Would it change the fact that the film displayed Brazil in a poor light? No. The representation is, and will be the same, regardless of the truth.

The different in then that while Brazil exist and you can see everything about it and realize that film portrayed it poorly, the Asari don't. They exist only in their representation within the game and in the lore of the codex. And it's the former that holds value for me.

Just because you don't like any asari characters doesn't mean they can't have a stable democracy, wealthy colonies, the largest economy, brilliant scientists or a high standard of living. There is nothing in the games that contradicts the information from the codex, except maybe the low crime rate (but ME is still a third person shooter and we need loads of goons to shoot...of course we see a disproportionate number of mercs). And we don't even visit a "real" asari world in peace time.
 

[Mordokai]

It doesn't really matter how many government officials new about it, the Asari government as a whole is still responsible. The Asari clearly voted for the wrong people.

 

There are ten people in the room. We know one of them is a murderer. The other nine don't know who the murderer is and didn't have anything to do with his actions.

 

Yet, they are somehow guilty anyway. Great logic you have there.

 

What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Asari development, but with the fact that they hid information in the form of Prothean technology away from the other council races.

 

What I'm talking about is, the fact that asari hid that info from the others is almost irrelevant in the face of fact that Udina's little scheme had the potential to end the war in Reaper's favor much faster than it mattered.

 

I highly doubt that. If humanity was punished this was punished this way, so should the Asari, but no they didn't suffer any ramifications whatsoever either. The Asari get almost the same "special little snowflake" treatment as the humans do in ME.

 

I said they should be punished. Obviously, that didn't happen. And that's what we're arguing about(I think... there have been so many detours it's hard to follow the course of the debate anymore). If asari should be punished, so should humanity. People are calling for the blood of the asari, but conveniently overlook the failures of our governmental officials. And others, as Livi helpfully pointed out.

 

Do you get any chatter about how much the Asari are hated for screwing up so much? No, so what's your point here?

 

Read above.

 

And no they would absolutely not be, humanity can't be held responsible for one mad man. What's worse one crazy human politician or an entire collective of the highest ranking Asari politicians hindering the war effort?

 

When the actions of that one politician almost singlehandedly end the war in the enemy's victory? Take a wild guess.

 

Why pray tell me? To conceal their Prothean guinea pig history, out of pride, when the galaxy is at the verge of total annihilation? That is no good reason

 

I never claimed their reason was good. I said I understand why they did that. Try to pay attention.

 

And no, they didn't really pay the prize, which is the entire point of this argument.

 

A near total annihilation of their homeworld, countless dead, possible hatred of entire galaxy... all because the hubris of their own leadership, when this could have been avoided? I'd say that constitutes as debt paid in full.

 

You may have not figured it out yet, but I don't believe into eye-for-an-eye policy.

 

We can chastise the entire Quarian admirality board and even have them destroyed, we can berate the Krogan and have them go extinct, we can we can accuse the Turian Primarch, berate Legion and have the Geth annihilated, mock the Salarian dalatrass but we have to apologize to the Asari councilor and can't confront her or anyone else for this massive screw up. That's the problem, that's the point of this debate.

 

The point of the debate has changed too many times to keep count, honestly. And now you're trying to do it again. Last I checked, we were trying to determine how guilty the asari were for their screw ups compared to other races, not the game's favouritism towards them.

 

Yes, of course they all made major mistakes, but the Asari are the only ones(except for humanity) to get away completely scott-free.

 

Presumption. Thessia happens so late in the game that you pretty much have no time to gather the feelings anymore. It's Sanctuary, Chronos, Earth. Maybe Ontarom, if memory serves, but that's it. You don't know what happened after the Reapers have been beaten. The asari may well have faced those repercussions you crave for. Unlike humanity, who gets away with the attack on the center of galactic government for almost half of the game.

 

Also, blatant lies. All those incidents mentioned? Turians faced nothing because of the bomb on Tuchanca. Salarians faced nothing for trying to covertly uplifting the yagh. No set backs for quarians for going to war with geth. All that happened much sooner than Thessia and we see nothing happening about it. With asari, the haters can console themselves that they got punished for it after the game ended and it's a reasonable presumption. But all those other races got nothing for the transgressions they committed.

[Vilio1]

The impression I got was that neither humans nor asari will be somehow punished. The epilogue shows that the major races get along just fine, and I think these issues will be thrown under the rug amid all the chaos of rebuilding (how many people even know about Udina's involvement, the Tuchanka bomb or the beacon?).

[Mordokai]

The impression I got was that neither humans nor asari will be somehow punished. The epilogue shows that the major races get along just fine, and I think these issues will be thrown under the rug amid all the chaos of rebuilding (how many people even know about Udina's involvement, the Tuchanka bomb or the beacon?).

 

Those are all valid questions and interpretations and I really hope you're right. I'm a firm believer of "forgive and forget"(to a certain limit, which is as much as personal bias as anything else) and I think it's the only way in which the galaxy as a whole can make progress. So I really hope you're right.

 

To answer... I imagine not a lot of people are privy to those information. Probably why everybody can move onwards as easily.

 

But I would like to think one of Shepard's biggest legacy is cooperation and understanding. It's the best way onwards. I also get the feeling that game somewhat favours paragons, so that fits.

[zestalyn]

You err when you treat the Asari like a real life species or scenario. It would be true then, that judging the entire species from the little with seen is wrong. But that's not what we have in the game, and that's what matters for me. They represented the Asari in such a way that the conclusion I reached is the one I posted some time ago.

Whats wrong with perceiving the Asari as you would if alien contact were a real thing? That's like saying applying real world common sense in imagining how you'd behave in a fictional universe (based on our universe, too) is illogical. Why would you think that? 

You err when you make it sound like the stuff we bring up from the codex is barely apparent in the game. Asari cultural/political presence is evident since the moment you step onto Ctiadel, and I believe it is most felt when you first visit Illium.

Illium is pretty much the classiest most cosmopolitan area we ever get to visit outside of the Citadel, and its blindingly obvious that it is an Asari colony. When I think of the Asari, I associate them with places like Illium. I don't know how you got about talking about them as if they are grade B bimbos who are no more organized than krogan and their radioactive rubble on Tuchanka. 

[beethovengenius]

From what I've seen of all the posts that are bashing the Asari, is that they seem to be making a great error in judgement. It is very important to distinguish the citizen of any nation from it's government, what my government does or doesn't  do is not  necessarily representative of my world view. I'd imagine that is also true of all the billions of Asari.           

[Sir DeLoria]

There are ten people in the room. We know one of them is a murderer. The other nine don't know who the murderer is and didn't have anything to do with his actions.

Yet, they are somehow guilty anyway. Great logic you have there.

Udina screwed big time. If there wasn't a war going on, humanity would loose the seat on Council because of what he did. No buts, ifs, maybes... scram! In fact, I'm pretty sure, were humanity not the special little snowflakes we are in MEverse, we should loose the seat anyway. Not to mention major political and economical ramifications.

Well isn't that ironic?

Your analogy doesn't work though. We're talking about the government here, punishments of single politicians are not only very rare, but it'd be hard to determine who knew about the beacon and who didn't. I'm no fan of collective punishments, but they do make sspense within governments.

What I'm talking about is, the fact that asari hid that info from the others is almost irrelevant in the face of fact that Udina's little scheme had the potential to end the war in Reaper's favor much faster than it mattered.

Uhm, no. Thanks to the Asari all info on the Crucible was lost to Cerberus. Had we not been able to reclaim it, the war would've ended in the Reapers' favor all the same.

I said they should be punished. Obviously, that didn't happen. And that's what we're arguing about(I think... there have been so many detours it's hard to follow the course of the debate anymore). If asari should be punished, so should humanity. People are calling for the blood of the asari, but conveniently overlook the failures of our governmental officials. And others, as Livi helpfully pointed out.

I agree about humanity to an extent, but you can at least call the others out for their failures, unlike the Asari which are seemingly portrayed as infallible.

When the actions of that one politician almost singlehandedly end the war in the enemy's victory? Take a wild guess.

1. This is again beautifully ironic considering your first statement
2. The Asari hiding and loosing the only information on the Catalyst was potentially just as dangerous

I never claimed their reason was good. I said I understand why they did that. Try to pay attention.

You "understand" it because you love the Asari, yeah I know. Doesn't change the fact that they should get a Darwin Award for trying to conceal vital information when the whole galaxy is about to be destroyed.

A near total annihilation of their homeworld, countless dead, possible hatred of entire galaxy... all because the hubris of their own leadership, when this could have been avoided? I'd say that constitutes as debt paid in full.

The first two are vague but likely, but the third point is not shown at all in game, which is why so many people here are upset.

You may have not figured it out yet, but I don't believe into eye-for-an-eye policy.

Your statements about punishing all of humanity for Udina's actions indicate otherwise.

The point of the debate has changed too many times to keep count, honestly. And now you're trying to do it again. Last I checked, we were trying to determine how guilty the asari were for their screw ups compared to other races, not the game's favouritism towards them.

No, I never tried to debate how guilty they were compared to others, I was the one who called comparisions in that category irrelevant. My point is that the Asari aren't punished for their actions.

Presumption. Thessia happens so late in the game that you pretty much have no time to gather the feelings anymore. It's Sanctuary, Chronos, Earth. Maybe Ontarom, if memory serves, but that's it. You don't know what happened after the Reapers have been beaten. The asari may well have faced those repercussions you crave for. Unlike humanity, who gets away with the attack on the center of galactic government for almost half of the game.

Yes, I comcede you point here, but there's no in-game indication of that. I don't think humanity should get away without any punishments either.

Also, blatant lies. All those incidents mentioned? Turians faced nothing because of the bomb on Tuchanca. Salarians faced nothing for trying to covertly uplifting the yagh. No set backs for quarians for going to war with geth. All that happened much sooner than Thessia and we see nothing happening about it. With asari, the haters can console themselves that they got punished for it after the game ended and it's a reasonable presumption. But all those other races got nothing for the transgressions they committed.

"Blatant lies" that's not a lie, it's called different interpretation. Yes, none of these races can get real punishments, but at least you can confront them about it. Something that's entirely impossible with the Asari, worst of all, you need to apologize to Tevos for something her own government is responsible for.

Like I said, there's no indication whatsoever of any ramifications against the Asari, you can headcanon it, but there's no evidence.

[Mordokai]

Well isn't that ironic?

Your analogy doesn't work though. We're talking about the government here, punishments of single politicians are not only very rare, but it'd be hard to determine who knew about the beacon and who didn't. I'm no fan of collective punishments, but they do make sspense within governments.

 

No, they don't.

 

 

Uhm, no. Thanks to the Asari all info on the Crucible was lost to Cerberus. Had we not been able to reclaim it, the war would've ended in the Reapers' favor all the same.

 

Thanks to Cerberus, the biggest Mary Sues of the entire trilogy. And once again, irrelevant in the face that Udina's little trick could have ended everything weeks, if not months prior to that.

 

 

I agree about humanity to an extent, but you can at least call the others out for their failures, unlike the Asari which are seemingly portrayed as infallible.

 

They aren't. No matter which squadmate you take with you on Thessia, they point out the asari were in the wrong. Shepard can point out their own hypocrisy to asari councilor when they are called before her, brief as it might be.

 

Post Thessia is a little dicey, I agree, but the asari are harld portrayed as blameless in all of it.

 

 

1. This is again beautifully ironic considering your first statement
2. The Asari hiding and loosing the only information on the Catalyst was potentially just as dangerous

 

1. Which statement are you referring to? There have been many so far.

2. Which is again irrelevant in the face of fact that Udina's betrayal had the chance to end everything weeks, if not months, sooner.

 

 

You "understand" it because you love the Asari, yeah I know. Doesn't change the fact that they should get a Darwin Award for trying to conceal vital information when the whole galaxy is about to be destroyed.

 

There is not a race in galaxy that doesn't deserve a Darwin award once(at least) across the trilogy.

 

 

The first two are vague but likely, but the third point is not shown at all in game, which is why so many people here are upset.

 

Blame the devs for not taking time. And what was mentioned before, about not many people knowing about those incidents, probably for the sake of galactic stability.

 

 

 Your statements about punishing all of humanity for Udina's actions indicate otherwise.

 

I'm not advocating the punishment of humanity for their transgressions at every available opportunity, unlike certain people do it for asari. In fact, I try to hold myself back as often as possible. But enough is enough. Yes, I like asari. No, I don't think they deserve all the ire they get. When people keep on showing asari's mistakes for n-th time(where n is closing in on infinity), I feel it's fair to return the favour.

 

 

No, I never tried to debate how guilty they were compared to others, I was the one who called comparisions in that category irrelevant. My point is that the Asari aren't punished for their actions.

 

And they are not the only ones.

 

 

Yes, I comcede you point here, but there's no in-game indication of that. I don't think humanity should get away without any punishments either.

 

Glad to see we agree at least in certain points.

 

 

"Blatant lies" that's not a lie, it's called different interpretation. Yes, none of these races can get real punishments, but at least you can confront them about it. Something that's entirely impossible with the Asari, worst of all, you need to apologize to Tevos for something her own government is responsible for.

Like I said, there's no indication whatsoever of any ramifications against the Asari, you can headcanon it, but there's no evidence.

 

I'll admit it's not as obvious as with other races, but I've shown(hopefully) they are not totally exempt to that. And if we work on technicalities, you never apologize to Tevos, since she hangs up on you before you manage to utter the word "sorry".

 

Dicey again, I know, but it works for me. I will also admit the game shows favouritism towards asari, which can be bothersome. I won't speculate on why that is so. Or rather, I might, since I believe there are semi good reasons for that. But I will extrapolate on it in another thread of my own making, to be done in unspecified point in the future.

[MACharlie1]

I don't hate Liara. The character in and itself which is an awkward Asari archeologist who goes on to become the Shadow Broker. 

 

I hate the way she's written. She's written as a Mary Sue character for sure - and regardless of your feelings towards other characters (we can sit here all day talking about Garrus but the topic is clearly about Liara) she's written quite...in a way that screams Mary Sue. I believe when ME3 was leaked there was a section of developer notes for her entrance scene on Mars. She is given a VERY detailed description of how James is "enamored with the beautiful asari" (thankfully, this didn't make it in as James clearly has his rifle pointed at her until Shepard says otherwise but still) while other characters introductions like Ashley is the equivalent of "oh yeah. Ashley is here too." It's imbalanced.

 

And then theres her post-Thessia mess. I think every character on the Normandy is all "oh poor Liara. I feel so sorry for her...". It was just a clearly transparent attempt to get us to feel sorry for her by telling us we should be feeling sorry for her. When you TELL your audience to feel sorry for her then it's pretty bad writing. Just sayin'. 

[SNascimento]

The aftermath of Thessia is a really low point in the trilogy. 

[DuskWanderer]

Well, I see Mass Effect humans in such way. But believe me, Most of the mass effect governments would have kept something like that to themselves. I believe the Liaramancers point is that The Asari has been like mentors to other species, And they have actually done some good. They're not all bad, Don't ya think?

As for Liara, I actually like her a little bit, So, Maybe I haven't noticed that. But I have noticed it with Wrex, That's for damn sure. I hate him and the game keeps cannoning him as a hero or something. So, I get rid of him. Either by killing him on Virmire, Or rejecting him from joining my squad. I can't kill him in ME3 because I'll have to kill Mordin as well. And Mordin is one of my favorites. Wrex issues aside, I understand your annoyance, But maybe you should just ignore talking to Liara, Am i right?

 

Sure, there are good asari in the game. Matriarch Aetheyta. But the Liaramancers don't care much about her, they want us to be forced to love the daughter. Remember, there are specific laws (that the asari put forth) that state "Hoarding Prothean tech is the harshest crime in Citadel space", and the asari acted as if they were above the law. 

 

You are correct about Wrex, and I do the same thing. I spare Mordin, and I suggest you do so too. 

 

The problem is that even if I ignore Liara, the game brings her to me.

[The Twilight God]

Liara is the canon romance. Some people simply can't deal with this undeniable fact. It eats them up inside. Not sure why they can't just enjoy their LI of choice without denying the objective reality of her canon romancitude.

[AlanC9]

What's a "canon romance"?

[DeinonSlayer]

I don't hate Liara. The character in and itself which is an awkward Asari archeologist who goes on to become the Shadow Broker. 
 
I hate the way she's written. She's written as a Mary Sue character for sure - and regardless of your feelings towards other characters (we can sit here all day talking about Garrus but the topic is clearly about Liara) she's written quite...in a way that screams Mary Sue. I believe when ME3 was leaked there was a section of developer notes for her entrance scene on Mars. She is given a VERY detailed description of how James is "enamored with the beautiful asari" (thankfully, this didn't make it in as James clearly has his rifle pointed at her until Shepard says otherwise but still) while other characters introductions like Ashley is the equivalent of "oh yeah. Ashley is here too." It's imbalanced.
 
And then theres her post-Thessia mess. I think every character on the Normandy is all "oh poor Liara. I feel so sorry for her...". It was just a clearly transparent attempt to get us to feel sorry for her by telling us we should be feeling sorry for her. When you TELL your audience to feel sorry for her then it's pretty bad writing. Just sayin'.

Hadn't heard that about the leaked script, but I can't say I'm surprised. Kinda goes back to DuskWanderer's earlier observation:

Then came the Genesis comic, which spent so much time shilling and praising her. Kaidan was said to be by-the-books and good with biotics, Ashley was determined and a fighter, Garrus was a talented cop with leads, Wrex was a badass bounty hunter, and Tali was an energetic mechanic. Everyone got the same amount of lines. Liara, however, got several panels of her, and Shepard fawned endlessly over her, saying how beautiful she was, how talented she was, how he gained a greatful appreciation of the asari, and an endless diatribe of how Benezia died in Liara's arms. It was overmuch, and clearly presented as a favored character.

Couldn't help but remember the comic talking about how pleasurable Shepard found the mandatory meldings, even though the dialogue options afterwards allowed you to be quite resentful (I think the exact phrasing was "My brain's been scrambled like an egg!"). Nope, now you enjoyed every second of it.
 
If the voice acting was anything to go by, non-Liaramancing MaleShep is the one who's "enamored with the beautiful asari" on Mars instead of James.

[Asari_Party]

I love Liara. I'm a guy and I totally fell for the whole damsel in a distress thing in ME1.And I remained loyal to her in all three installments although I did attempt to romance Samara with no success

Same here! Always romance Liara. IMO she is the ideal romance option. And as already stated many times, it's only a very dedicated, hardcore and vocal minority that complains about her. I mean, James Vega (I repeat: James Vega!) thinks Liara is attractive. Yep, this is definitely problem. Are you serious?????

[von uber]

What's a "canon romance"?

It's what the Catholic Church has been in denial over despite all the police investigations.

[DuskWanderer]

Liara is the canon romance. Some people simply can't deal with this undeniable fact. It eats them up inside. Not sure why they can't just enjoy their LI of choice without denying the objective reality of her canon romancitude.

 

She's not the canon romance, she's the canon bestie. That's the problem considering your interaction with her can consist of: Rescuing her from a bounty hunter, telling her to shut up or you'll throw her into a volcano, and yelling at how her mind-probe hurt. That's not how you make best friends

[merikano]

I like her but that doesn't mean I'm not jealous of the attention she received from the writers. ME2 will always be my favorite of the trilogy (its characters included). Liara and the VS I didn't care as much for as I did a lot of the ME2 characters, who were unfortunately the secondary focus in ME3 whereas the characters from the first game took center stage.

 

She is miles above most video game characters, but I am jealous that my favorites didn't get as much attention as she ended up with. I did like where she eventually ended up once the writers stopped forcing her down our throats. That scene with her before the push to the Citadel in ME3 was very fitting.