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[Ribosome]

It's threads like these that make me wish the Reapers would've won

[von uber]

Eh, he's just the Liara fanboy with the Liara picture. I don't even pay attention to the names.

To be fair, you shoehorn your liara hatred (!) into random threads at every opportunity:

Cerberus does screw up and I can tell them to STFU and GTFO, unlike Liara, the franchise's real nightmare.

You are both two sides of the same coin.

[DuskWanderer]

To be fair, you shoehorn your liara hatred (!) into random threads at every opportunity:


You are both two sides of the same coin.

 It comes up in context. I can at least tell Cerberus to shut up, which really helps their status. Liara...not so much

[KaiserShep]

 It comes up in context. I can at least tell Cerberus to shut up, which really helps their status. Liara...not so much

 

This is a very strange comparison. It's not as if Shepard has any choice but to be antagonistic toward the Illusive Man, since he is, after all, one of the primary antagonists of the game. This is like saying "Well at least I can shoot this bad guy in the story, but I can't say the same for Companion #3".

[Farangbaa]

It comes up in context. I can at least tell Cerberus to shut up, which really helps their status. Liara...not so much

Context? lol
 

It's true that there was too much of Cerberus: I liked the factor of all the different foes in 2 and Cerberus was in the backstory, but it kept creeping up as "Ooh, Shep's with Cerberus." They could have left it solely in the hands of the VS (and Tali) and left it at that. In 3, they were just one villain.
 
But it didn't bother me too much, just a mild annoyance. Cerberus does screw up and I can tell them to STFU and GTFO, unlike Liara, the franchise's real nightmare.

Thread title:
Cerberus is the worst thing to happen to the entire Mass Effect Franchise

No mention of Liara in the thread before your post.
Just a wee little obsessed.

[DuskWanderer]

This is a very strange comparison. It's not as if Shepard has any choice but to be antagonistic toward the Illusive Man, since he is, after all, one of the primary antagonists of the game. This is like saying "Well at least I can shoot this bad guy in the story, but I can't say the same for Companion #3".

That's in the 3rd game only. In the second game, you can work with him or be passive-aggressive about it until you say "screw you" and blow the base. Given that Cerberus betrays you if you give the base to him and that TIM has no interest in working with you, there's really nothing else you can do, even if you try to work with him.

[DuskWanderer]

Context? lol
 

Thread title:
Cerberus is the worst thing to happen to the entire Mass Effect Franchise

No mention of Liara in the thread before your post.
Just a wee little obsessed.

Use your head, friendo. The TC complained that Cerberus ruined the franchise because they were put everywhere. Quite familiar to Liara, no?

 

But I love how a topic about Liara is turning into something about me. I like being the center of attention, but let's make it about the topic.

 

 

So, allow me. I still can't understand why Liaramancers think the only reason people dislike Liara is that they wanted another LI to get more screen time. But that's not the case. You could cut all love interests out, and we still are forced to be nice to this crazy random stalker and deal with the scattershot characterization and Mary Sue features.

[Farangbaa]

So, allow me. I still can't understand why Liaramancers think the only reason people dislike Liara is that they wanted another LI to get more screen time. But that's not the case. You could cut all love interests out, and we still are forced to be nice to this crazy random stalker and deal with the scattershot characterization and Mary Sue features.

I dare you to find a post in which I say this.

I'll even give you a couple of thousand bucks if you do find one.
 

Use your head, friendo. The TC complained that Cerberus ruined the franchise because they were put everywhere. Quite familiar to Liara, no?

 
That doesn't remind me of Liara at all. She's on your mind a whole lot, isn't she? 
 
Offtopic:
TC? (Thread Creator? Never heard this being used before)

[DuskWanderer]

I dare you to find a post in which I say this.

I'll even give you a couple of thousand bucks if you do find one.
 
 
That doesn't remind me of Liara at all. She's on your mind a whole lot, isn't she? 
 
Offtopic:
TC? (Thread Creator? Never heard this being used before)

You might not, I'd have to look and I don't have time. However, it does come up. Repeatedly.

 

Let's see: Something is a minor part of the first game, but evolves so much in the second and third games that you literally can't swing a volus without hitting it? Yeah, seems to remind me of that.

 

TC stands for "Topic Creator" although "Thread Creator" is also precise.

[NM_Che56]

Some of her vocal inflections bothered me in parts.  Also, her voice would get a little to Marilyn Monroe for me, but I still liked her a lot.  She was almost always my LI. 

[NS Wizdum]

 

 

TC stands for "Topic Creator" although "Thread Creator" is also precise.

 

What happened to OP? I liked that better.

[DuskWanderer]

What happened to OP? I liked that better.

 

I grew up with TC. There's nothing wrong with that one either, I guess.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

This thread should die already, along with Liara.

[Mordokai]

This thread should die already...

 

[KaiserShep]

The TC complained that Cerberus ruined the franchise because they were put everywhere. Quite familiar to Liara, no?

 

No way does Liara ever come close to Cerberus' level of overexposure. Whatever issues Liara may have with obligatory content in the game, the fact that Mass Effect 2 forces the alignment with Cerberus, and then has us deal with them as the main antagonist amidst the reaper invasion framework makes Liara's involvement in the story vastly outweighed.

[Oni Changas]

This thread needs something awesome...

 

 

 

 

 

[10K]

I Personally just think her spot on the Normandy in ME3 could have been filled by someone else. She is the shadow broker and it was just hard to believe that with the resources she suppose to have, she lost everything to Cerberus. But the writers wanted her on the Normandy so badly that they created a dull story to explain the reason why she's there. She's the shadow broker, couldn't she just have found another ship to do her job more efficiently and secretly like a real shadow broker. I don't understand why they gave her the role of the shadow broker if she doesn't play it. She was a waste of a spot on the Normandy that any of the awesome ME2 characters could have filled. 

 

I don't dislike Liara, I dislike how the writers handled her position. Her being on Normandy and how she interacted with a Shepard whom was not her LI felt forced, and at times a bit annoying. 

[von uber]

Most of the people on the Normandy have no reason to be there.

[DuskWanderer]

No way does Liara ever come close to Cerberus' level of overexposure. Whatever issues Liara may have with obligatory content in the game, the fact that Mass Effect 2 forces the alignment with Cerberus, and then has us deal with them as the main antagonist amidst the reaper invasion framework makes Liara's involvement in the story vastly outweighed.

Not sure how you can say Cerberus is the "main antagonist". They are nowhere close to the Reapers in terms of what they do.

 

While you have to work with Cerberus, in no circumstance do you have to follow Cerberus's goals. In fact, you can say "screw you" and take all their stuff, as Chakwas metnions in the third game. By contrast, Liara always has to be the bestie if not the waifu, and you can't be anything else.

[KaiserShep]

Not sure how you can say Cerberus is the "main antagonist". They are nowhere close to the Reapers in terms of what they do.

 

That the reapers are ultimately the biggest fish to fry doesn't really matter. Cerberus is basically there at almost every turning point in the story, and nearly cause the entire war effort to fail multiple times, from the very start of the game to the final act.

[N172]

Reapers:

- Vancouver

- Palaven

- Tuchanka

- Thessia

- London

 

Geth:

- Rannoch

 

Cerberus:

- Mars

- Sur'Kesh

- Citadel

- Thessia (Bossfight)

- Horizon

- Cronos (+Bossfight)

 

Trying to prevent project Crucible

- Reapers 2 (Thessia, London)

- Cerberus 3 (Mars, Thessia, Citadel: The Return)

 

ME3-Squadmate recruitment and/or forced missions enemies:

- Vega: Cerberus (Mars) and Reapers (Menae)

- VS: Cerberus (Mars)

- Liara: Cerberus (Mars) and Reapers (Thessia, Menae)

- Garrus: Reapers (Menae)

- Javik: Cerberus (Eden Prime)

- EDI: Cerberus (Cronos)

- Tali: Geth

 

Non-ME3 Squadmate involvement in mission against faction:

- Wrex: Reapers

- Miranda: Cerberus

- Mordin: Cerberus and Reapers

- Jack: Cerberus

- Grunt: Reapers

- Samara: Reapers

- Thane: Cerberus

- Legion: Geth

- Kasumi: Reapers

- Zaeed: Cerberus

- The Priiize: Cerberus

 

Times Shepard talked with:

- Harbinger: 0

- A random Reaper: 1

- Catalyst: 1

- Kai Leng: 3

- TIM: 4

 

N7 missions:

- Sanctum/Glacier: Cerberus

- Tuchanka/Giant: Cerberus

- Benning/Ghost: Cerberus

- Noveria/White: Cerberus

- Ontarom/Dagger: Cerberus

- Cyone/Reactor: Reapers

 

I could continue, but i think that is enough.

[TheViper8234]

I love Liara but its kinda unfair that she got more developed romance subplot than anyone else , I was so pissed when I heard Miranda wasnt a squad member in ME3 . Everybody have their favorites but liara seems like bioware's canon LI . 

[DuskWanderer]

That the reapers are ultimately the biggest fish to fry doesn't really matter. Cerberus is basically there at almost every turning point in the story, and nearly cause the entire war effort to fail multiple times, from the very start of the game to the final act.

 

Sure, but part of that is the human touch, just as it was with Saren. Reapers are large tentacled monstrosities, but Cerberus is human and is infinitely more understandable. 

[DuskWanderer]

Reapers:

- Vancouver

- Palaven

- Tuchanka

- Thessia

- London

 

Geth:

- Rannoch

 

Cerberus:

- Mars

- Sur'Kesh

- Citadel

- Thessia (Bossfight)

- Horizon

- Cronos (+Bossfight)

 

Trying to prevent project Crucible

- Reapers 2 (Thessia, London)

- Cerberus 3 (Mars, Thessia, Citadel: The Return)

 

ME3-Squadmate recruitment and/or forced missions enemies:

- Vega: Cerberus (Mars) and Reapers (Menae)

- VS: Cerberus (Mars)

- Liara: Cerberus (Mars) and Reapers (Thessia, Menae)

- Garrus: Reapers (Menae)

- Javik: Cerberus (Eden Prime)

- EDI: Cerberus (Cronos)

- Tali: Geth

 

Non-ME3 Squadmate involvement in mission against faction:

- Wrex: Reapers

- Miranda: Cerberus

- Mordin: Cerberus and Reapers

- Jack: Cerberus

- Grunt: Reapers

- Samara: Reapers

- Thane: Cerberus

- Legion: Geth

- Kasumi: Reapers

- Zaeed: Cerberus

- The Priiize: Cerberus

 

Times Shepard talked with:

- Harbinger: 0

- A random Reaper: 1

- Catalyst: 1

- Kai Leng: 3

- TIM: 4

 

N7 missions:

- Sanctum/Glacier: Cerberus

- Tuchanka/Giant: Cerberus

- Benning/Ghost: Cerberus

- Noveria/White: Cerberus

- Ontarom/Dagger: Cerberus

- Cyone/Reactor: Reapers

 

I could continue, but i think that is enough.

Come now, haven't you ever heard the term "quality over quantity" Cerberus would get curb-stomped by the Reapers, the only reason they weren't was because they were indoctrinated. The power of an enemy is, first and foremost, how powerful he is.

[Mordokai]

I Personally just think her spot on the Normandy in ME3 could have been filled by someone else. She is the shadow broker and it was just hard to believe that with the resources she suppose to have, she lost everything to Cerberus. But the writers wanted her on the Normandy so badly that they created a dull story to explain the reason why she's there. She's the shadow broker, couldn't she just have found another ship to do her job more efficiently and secretly like a real shadow broker. I don't understand why they gave her the role of the shadow broker if she doesn't play it. She was a waste of a spot on the Normandy that any of the awesome ME2 characters could have filled. 

 

I don't dislike Liara, I dislike how the writers handled her position. Her being on Normandy and how she interacted with a Shepard whom was not her LI felt forced, and at times a bit annoying. 

 

There is no safer place in the galaxy during the Reaper invasion than Normandy. No matter what other ship Liara might have picked, she wouldn't be as safe as on the Normandy. And I imagine Shepard would want Broker, even if they weren't Liara, close to them.

 

Though I agree she could have been more active as Broker, I blame that more on the executive meddling and the devs taking content away from her and giving it to Traynor.

 

I love Liara but its kinda unfair that she got more developed romance subplot than anyone else , I was so pissed when I heard Miranda wasnt a squad member in ME3 . Everybody have their favorites but liara seems like bioware's canon LI . 

 

I read an article somewhere, but can't find it now. In it, the author explained how it was basically easy for the devs to give more content to Liara because she was the character with least variables. She was always loyal to Shepard, always alive and basically, her only variable was whether she was LI or not. Most of the other characters had to account for their loyalty, their LI status, whether they were alive, in some cases other variables... in the end, there was only so much content to cram into limited time period. Liara, Garrus and Tali were three mostly widely loved characters, present throught all three games, so they got the most content, whether most of the ME2 crew could die at one point or another. Consecuently, they got shafted in development. The devs simply ran out of time and couldn't give every character the attention it deserved.

 

It was a really good article, actually. Too bad I can't find it now, but I'm at work. Will see if I can find it later.