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That's not necessarily true. The biggest criticism I've seen isn't that she gets the most from the love interests, but that she's the default bestie when the LI isn't available. She flirts with you in the Citadel DLC if your LI isn't on the ship, or if you don't have one, or even if you dumped her.

 

It is mostly motivated by Liara having more content than other LIs. Consider that in her brief pre-LotSB cameo Liara is treated as a friend as well. While there might have been some people who complained about that, they weren't anywhere near as vocal in their complaints as some people are post-ME3. Because she only had a cameo in that game.



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This thread should be renamed to: Tell us why you hate Liara so we can disagree with you and tell you how wrong your opinion is.


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Hate is probably the wrong word. I'll be honest here and say I considered her a caring friend to Shepard. It's just that I didn't like how she was forced down our throats compared to others who weren't. At first I was open minded to the thought of having multiple aliens to the Normandy and getting to know more about the race, culture, and different personalities of each new addition of aliens. Unfortunately, Liara somewhat creeped me out in ME1.

 

I felt like all she wanted out of me was the visions from the beacon back on Eden Prime and to cut me open on a lab table. Also felt like she didn't see Shepard as anything but her next lab experiment. Even though I planned on romancing Ashley, me getting to know Liara implied I wanted a romance with her, which to me didn't make sense and just made things seem awkward for me and Ashley. In ME2, it was somewhat nice to see her mature as well as having a break from her. In ME3, I just felt like Bioware demanded our Shepard to be more involved with her otherwise they come up with a plot excuse for us to have her around.

 

For example, immediately after earth we have to go to Mars because Liara found information about the Crucible. Bioware even killed off everyone there so we would be forced to rely on Liara. We didn't even get the chance to choose if she can be added as a war asset to help jump start the crucible project or be used as a squadmate. Bioware offered this option if we romanced Ashley or Kaiden but not Liara? Wouldn't it be best for Liara to be at the Crucible site working on it instead of being on the Normandy and just taking up space.

 

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The word I'd probably use for Liara is Despise. Out of all the characters in MEU, even after becoming the shadow broker, she has proven to be the most pathetic character I've ever met. If there was an option I would of left her back on Virmire and kept Kaiden. An that's saying something considering how I never used Kaiden.



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While all of that is true, I don't think it is responsible for the derailing of any thread discussing the character. You could create a thread about what abilities you think work best for Liara in ME3 and it will probably devolve into a rehash of every Liara hate thread ever created.

There are certainly some legitimate criticisms with how the character was written or presented throughout the series. I share a few of them, despite being a fan of the character. But gripes about how the character was written doesn't explain by itself why the character has such a vocal hate club. That is mostly motivated by the fact that she has more content than the other LIs, with the exception of Garrus, who also happens to be male. (male characters are always less polarizing)

That people are so vocal and emotional about it is mostly motivated by sour grapes over the allocation of content.

Its a repeat of what went on with Tali and Miranda in ME2. The only difference is that its directed at one character instead of spread between two.

I don't hate Liara, it's just that most of the scenes make don't work well if she isn't Shepards LI and do in fact fell forced (her cameo in paragon lost is really forced), not to mention that enshrined piece of Shepards armor does come off borderline stalkish and creepy if she isn't your LI.

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I don't hate Liara, it's just that most of the scenes make don't work well if she isn't Shepards LI and do in fact fell forced (her cameo in paragon lost is really forced), not to mention that enshrined a piece of Shepards armor does come of borderline stalkish and creepy if she isn't your LI.

Yeah, that was an odd thing to see. Won't lie. Also, if you don't invite her back to your cabin, she won't give you back your dog tags. I found that bizarre, as well. 



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After T'soni mentions Ilos, she all of sudden telling Shepard what to do. You must tell the coucil, you must get the fleets together. I wanted to tell her to shut up. Shepard doesn't tell her what size shovel to use on her digsites.

 

In ME2, if you decide to go to Illium to see T'soni, you get a what-the-crap hug. Why? I didn't get a handshake or hug from Anderson on the Citadel when I saw him, if you choose to see him, and he knew Shepard better than Liara. So why do I get this hug? Its unavoidable. If your friends or romance fine, but someone who doesn't like her, it was uncalled for.

 

You fine out she gave your body to Cerberus and all she gives you is some pathetic answer. She also believes she is more important than Shepard's mother(for those who play a spacer) not to tell her that she gave his/her body to Cerberus. I asked a few people how their mother would react to that and they told me that their mother would most likely kill that person for hiding that from them.

 

In the broker dlc in her apartment, she has Shepard's armor in a glass case being displayed like its some kind of trophy. That tells me she has serious mental issues and should be avoided. I don't know if its an Asari trait to do crap like that, but for me she has head problems. After killing Vasir, I don't get the opportunity to ask about the armor in her apartment. Why? Is it  because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between Liara and Shepard?

 

When facing the broker I have protect her instead of my other squadmate. Again what makes her more important than the other squadmate who could be a LI? After the broker is killed, I have the option to hug her or not. Where was that option when I first saw Liara?

 

If you bring her on the Normandy, she hands you your dogtags. The story she gives on how she got them is pathetic. Why can't I ask her why Hackett gave them to her? Again what makes her more important than my mother? And speaking of the dogtags, why didn't she give them to you in her office instead of walking off? Unfortunately Shepard had no idea they were in her hand at that time.

 

She mentions its her birthday and instead of wanting a present, she says I have you. What? Where's Javik to throw her out the airlock? She has serious problems. And a moment later I get another what-the-crap hug. Again, what happen to the option of hugging her or not.

 

In ME3, when you meet her on Mars she says she found plans to stop the reapers. Fine. Why didn't she forward them to Hackett when she found them? He gave her access to the archives. When fighting the goons, she tells Shepard that he/she more than guns to kill them. Really. A moment later the goons are dead , all by gunshots. Why is she a squadmate? A moment later, she tells me to get to cover. No kidding Sherlock. Why is Liara telling Shepard what to do in combat? She needs to take her own advice.

 

We get to the overhead turret and again telling my to stay in cover. Can I kill her already? Shortly after that she says Ashley/Kaidan are capable. Well T'soni, they are even before you were known. So how about shut up.

 

On the Normandy, she says Ashley/Kaidan needs a doctor. T'soni your powers of observation proceed you, do you have anymore talents that we don't know about? 

 

After talking with Hackett, she and Shepard exchange dialogue that adds up to a lot of nothing. When facing the council, if you pick the top right dialogue, Shepards says If Liara believes that it will work, then so do I. Why? No one knows what is does at that point.

 

After the 1st dream, she mentions the Turian councilor won't give support. We already know that. So what is the purpose of have Liara in that scene for?

 

I get to Miranda's office and apparently Liara decided it was ok to put all her garbage in Miranda's office without asking. Too bad there wasn't an option to send her to Hackett. But my shepard, or I should say, Shepards stunt double, didn't have a problem with that.

 

After the 2nd dream, why can't she use the intercom to tell me the Salarian councilor wants to talk? I would like to ask if it was quicker to come up to my cabin than using the intercom. Or what's wrong with edi or Traynor telling Shepard over the intercom?

 

Her time capsule thing I didn't mind. I like the idea, but I don't like the fact she is telling my story. There should've been an option for the player to pick that would fit their Shepard if they want.

 

If you decide to do the Monestary mission, Liara isn't required, but she still ends up with more dialogue than anyone else when she talks about the ardot yakshi( I know I spelled it wrong).

 

On Thessia. Her comment about Allaince support was crap. I wanted to turn around and smash her face and then grab her buy the throat and tell that if it wasn't for her stupid government waiting for the last minute, none of this might not of happened. If any other character was to of say the same, I would smashed their face in as well. You get to the temple and find out her goddess is a Prothean. That was funny when Javik said that. When Javik activates the beacon, Liara says it must be the Cipher you got on Feros. Or it could be the Prothean standing beside you. She is not very observant is she?

 

Back on the Normandy, Liara is yelling at Javik for no reason and all we get is a paragon interrupt. Why? What right does she have to yell at him? I can yell at Joker, but I can't yell at T'soni.


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It is mostly motivated by Liara having more content than other LIs. Consider that in her brief pre-LotSB cameo Liara is treated as a friend as well. While there might have been some people who complained about that, they weren't anywhere near as vocal in their complaints as some people are post-ME3. Because she only had a cameo in that game.

 

There were a lot of differences in ME2 and ME3 that aren't explained by love interest. The creepy "Li-are-a" entrance on Mars for one (most folks play M!Shep, as I understand), the constant inviting up to the cabin, the fact that she's the last person you see if you don't romance A/K. 

 

It's not just romance, buddy. 



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I agree Liara is the one character relationship where you can feel the heavy hand of the writers. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't in such contrast to the other relationships. The writers need to maintain control of the narrative and considering Liara's importance in the reaper war I understand this to a certain extent. However, it would have been nice if there were some sort of "paragon" and "renegade" path to take with her, like there is with other characters. But I wouldn't really call this favoritism since it makes her a much less interesting character IMO.



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After T'soni mentions Ilos, she all of sudden telling Shepard what to do. You must tell the coucil, you must get the fleets together. I wanted to tell her to shut up. Shepard doesn't tell her what size shovel to use on her digsites.

 

In ME2, if you decide to go to Illium to see T'soni, you get a what-the-crap hug. Why? I didn't get a handshake or hug from Anderson on the Citadel when I saw him, if you choose to see him, and he knew Shepard better than Liara. So why do I get this hug? Its unavoidable. If your friends or romance fine, but someone who doesn't like her, it was uncalled for.

 

You fine out she gave your body to Cerberus and all she gives you is some pathetic answer. She also believes she is more important than Shepard's mother(for those who play a spacer) not to tell her that she gave his/her body to Cerberus. I asked a few people how their mother would react to that and they told me that their mother would most likely kill that person for hiding that from them.

 

In the broker dlc in her apartment, she has Shepard's armor in a glass case being displayed like its some kind of trophy. That tells me she has serious mental issues and should be avoided. I don't know if its an Asari trait to do crap like that, but for me she has head problems. After killing Vasir, I don't get the opportunity to ask about the armor in her apartment. Why? Is it  because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between Liara and Shepard?

 

When facing the broker I have protect her instead of my other squadmate. Again what makes her more important than the other squadmate who could be a LI? After the broker is killed, I have the option to hug her or not. Where was that option when I first saw Liara?

 

If you bring her on the Normandy, she hands you your dogtags. The story she gives on how she got them is pathetic. Why can't I ask her why Hackett gave them to her? Again what makes her more important than my mother? And speaking of the dogtags, why didn't she give them to you in her office instead of walking off? Unfortunately Shepard had no idea they were in her hand at that time.

 

She mentions its her birthday and instead of wanting a present, she says I have you. What? Where's Javik to throw her out the airlock? She has serious problems. And a moment later I get another what-the-crap hug. Again, what happen to the option of hugging her or not.

 

In ME3, when you meet her on Mars she says she found plans to stop the reapers. Fine. Why didn't she forward them to Hackett when she found them? He gave her access to the archives. When fighting the goons, she tells Shepard that he/she more than guns to kill them. Really. A moment later the goons are dead , all by gunshots. Why is she a squadmate? A moment later, she tells me to get to cover. No kidding Sherlock. Why is Liara telling Shepard what to do in combat? She needs to take her own advice.

 

We get to the overhead turret and again telling my to stay in cover. Can I kill her already? Shortly after that she says Ashley/Kaidan are capable. Well T'soni, they are even before you were known. So how about shut up.

 

On the Normandy, she says Ashley/Kaidan needs a doctor. T'soni your powers of observation proceed you, do you have anymore talents that we don't know about? 

 

After talking with Hackett, she and Shepard exchange dialogue that adds up to a lot of nothing. When facing the council, if you pick the top right dialogue, Shepards says If Liara believes that it will work, then so do I. Why? No one knows what is does at that point.

 

After the 1st dream, she mentions the Turian councilor won't give support. We already know that. So what is the purpose of have Liara in that scene for?

 

I get to Miranda's office and apparently Liara decided it was ok to put all her garbage in Miranda's office without asking. Too bad there wasn't an option to send her to Hackett. But my shepard, or I should say, Shepards stunt double, didn't have a problem with that.

 

After the 2nd dream, why can't she use the intercom to tell me the Salarian councilor wants to talk? I would like to ask if it was quicker to come up to my cabin than using the intercom. Or what's wrong with edi or Traynor telling Shepard over the intercom?

 

Her time capsule thing I didn't mind. I like the idea, but I don't like the fact she is telling my story. There should've been an option for the player to pick that would fit their Shepard if they want.

 

If you decide to do the Monestary mission, Liara isn't required, but she still ends up with more dialogue than anyone else when she talks about the ardot yakshi( I know I spelled it wrong).

 

On Thessia. Her comment about Allaince support was crap. I wanted to turn around and smash her face and then grab her buy the throat and tell that if it wasn't for her stupid government waiting for the last minute, none of this might not of happened. If any other character was to of say the same, I would smashed their face in as well. You get to the temple and find out her goddess is a Prothean. That was funny when Javik said that. When Javik activates the beacon, Liara says it must be the Cipher you got on Feros. Or it could be the Prothean standing beside you. She is not very observant is she?

 

Back on the Normandy, Liara is yelling at Javik for no reason and all we get is a paragon interrupt. Why? What right does she have to yell at him? I can yell at Joker, but I can't yell at T'soni.

So, are you sure this isn't just sexual tension?



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While all of that is true, I don't think it is responsible for the derailing of any thread discussing the character. You could create a thread about what abilities you think work best for Liara in ME3 and it will probably devolve into a rehash of every Liara hate thread ever created. 
 
There are certainly some legitimate criticisms with how the character was written or presented throughout the series. I share a few of them, despite being a fan of the character. But gripes about how the character was written doesn't explain by itself why the character has such a vocal hate club. That is mostly motivated by the fact that she has more content than the other LIs, with the exception of Garrus, who also happens to be male. (male characters are always less polarizing)


Yup, some people have incredibly hypocritical double standards it seems. In ME2, even if you didn't recruit Garrus it still seemed like they were friends from the beginning, which is kind of weird but whatever. Or when Shepard calls Garrus his best friend in ME3!

To bei fair, I see a lot of hate for Kaidan and Jacob. But their forced flirting (sexual tension) was much worse than Liara's too.



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@themikefest    -Everything you said is true an I am 100% with you on everything. I just decided to lay off because of all the bashing from Liara fans. I was reported countless times for expressing my hatred against liara and the asari race. Almost got banned. Hope the same doesn't happen to you.



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I will never understand the tendency for many ME fans to irrationally despise certain characters and proclaim their hatred any chance they get.


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@themikefest    -Everything you said is true an I am 100% with you on everything. I just decided to lay off because of all the bashing from Liara fans. I was reported countless times for expressing my hatred against liara and the asari race. Almost got banned. Hope the same doesn't happen to you.

Damn. I'm a living templar hate machine and have never been successfully reported for that; how vitriolic did you get to almost get banned for it?



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You have any proves to the opposite? Bad evidence, at least according to you, is better than no evidence. Lawyers, put those pitchforks and torches away! :P
 
But there is also this.


Liara...I approve. But Viconia didn't make the list? Even Anomen is there :huh:



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But there is also this.

 

Glad Scarlet Lake made it up pretty far.

 

I think it's amusing that the random prostitutes in The Witcher are more appealing than Fenris and Zevran. 

 

No Traynor is an unfortunate head-scratcher.



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I don't hate Liara, it's just that most of the scenes make don't work well if she isn't Shepards LI and do in fact fell forced (her cameo in paragon lost is really forced), not to mention that enshrined piece of Shepards armor does come off borderline stalkish and creepy if she isn't your LI.

I never saw it that way, and Liara isn't even my first choice as a LI. Even just after ME1, Shepard was a legendary soldier that just saved the galaxy. Liara was his/her crewmate. I don't think it's creepy to have a token of a fallen crewmate of Shepards caliber in your apartment in memoriam.



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I think it's amusing that the random prostitutes in The Witcher are more appealing than Fenris and Zevran. 

 


Lol I think that just shows how most of the poll takers were probably straight dudes.

Which is also indicated by the fact that Garrus only made #16??? Smh (still the highest ranking male though. can't expect anything less from him  ;) )

Maybe most of these guys only played maleSheps and therefore didn't get to romance Traynor.

And the Skyrim dudes..? I can't believe orc guy and dark elf man were nominated whereas Marcurio is nowhere to be seen. This poll needed more female participants lol... 
 

On topic...I mean sure, I guess I understand people's frustration with being force-fed her, esp with mikefest's extensive list. And although I find her endearing, her personality can be a wee bit dull sometimes, but not in offensive way that I find worth ranting about. Some people are more mellow than others and it's fine. I guess what I won't understand as much is the passion people hate her with, lol, it's a little much. Each to their own.



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I never saw it that way, and Liara isn't even my first choice as a LI. Even just after ME1, Shepard was a legendary soldier that just saved the galaxy. Liara was his/her crewmate. I don't think it's creepy to have a token of a fallen crewmate of Shepards caliber in your apartment in memoriam.

We aren't talking about a watch or some other personal item we're talking about the same armor Shepard died in at the start of ME2 on open display.



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We aren't talking about a watch or some other personal item we're talking about the same armor Shepard died in at the start of ME2 on open display.

Well, if it had been a watch, would it not have been the watch Shepard died in?



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But there is also this.

 

I feel validated.



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I feel validated.

 

I wonder how Mirandalorians feel about getting edged out by Tali. 



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I wonder how Mirandalorians feel about getting edged out by Tali. 

 

Immune systems are overrated.



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That poll oh my god. Half bioware worship, half skyrim whatever. ;p 

Btw the results for the top 4 are all at 75%. Sounds a bit fishy.



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I wonder how Mirandalorians feel about getting edged out by Tali. 

I feel like they'd have seen it coming. Miranda is automatically disadvantaged from being a squad mate in only one game versus Tali's triple threat. 

 



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I feel like they'd have seen it coming. Miranda is automatically disadvantaged from being a squad mate in only one game versus Tali's triple threat. 

 

Probably, but that's no fun.