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[Farangbaa]

We aren't talking about a watch or some other personal item we're talking about the same armor Shepard died in at the start of ME2 on open display.

 

Lol and how the *bleep* is that any different? 

[Farangbaa]

#4 is the best romance I've been in. Mass effect romances are full of itself an overrated.

 

I was not impressed by any DA:O romance. Morrigan's looks good because Leliana's is godawful.

 

Not even touching Zevran. 

 

Universally loved? I don't wanna live in this universe anymore.

[Zazzerka]

Lol and how the *bleep* is that any different? 

 

People get antsy about the fact that there might be charred pieces of Shepard flesh still stuck to the armour.

 

I think it's metal as fuck.

[Drone223]

Lol and how the *bleep* is that any different? 

Its taking a piece of hair from a famous star and calling it a memento its comes off as stalkish and also gross.

[Farangbaa]

Its taking a piece of hair from a famous star and calling it a memento its comes off as stalkish.

 

Oh yeah, and taking their watch from their corpse is totally fine.

 

Lol, joker.

[Coming0fShadows]

Liara is an archaeologist and that armor is on display with old prothean junk. She is going to live like 900 more years... Shepard is a famous spectre, just think about why she might have the armor in a case from just that standpoint. It makes sense..

[Azmahoony]

My shepard ended up playing the field through-out the 3 games (random 1 nighters/the fact that Liara was Cameo'd in ME2 until the DLC), in the end I had to choose between Miranda/Liara and because Miranda was making more of a subtle cameo appreance i ended up choosing Liara. That and the fact you get soo much more screen time and uniquie dialogue with Liara it seems fitting, or forced as many seem to say.

tldr; Liara is great.


Did anyone work out how 'old' she was in human years? i did a roughie and it sortsa seemed jailbait based on years liveable aha.

[Drone223]

Oh yeah, and taking their watch from their corpse is totally fine.

 

Lol, joker.

It would be different if some in their will said to they can have their watch after/if they die and even if it isn't its not as creepy as taking some ones armor off their dead rotting body.

[KBomb]

Lol and how the *bleep* is that any different? 

It's different because a watch is a memento. If you had a friend who was a police officer, for instance, and got shot and died--would you ask for his bloody uniform to be put in a display case in your living room? That is how I view it anyway. Just...odd and a little creepish.

[Farangbaa]

It would be different if some in their will said to they can have their watch after/if they die and even if it isn't its not as creepy as taking some ones armor off their dead rotting body.

 

A body which she gave to Cerberus to resurrect.

 

And now all of a sudden wills are necessary? I thought we were just talking about watches/personal items/armors taken from corpses.

[Drone223]

A body which she gave to Cerberus to resurrect.

 

And now all of a sudden wills are necessary? I thought we were just talking about watches/personal items/armors taken from corpses.

A watch or something would go easily unnoticed and wouldn't seem creepy, an armor piece that some one died in on the other hand not so much and also is very disturbing especially if Liara isn't Shepard's LI. There is also the fact some people didn't interact with her much or weren't very pleasant to her.

[Drone223]

It's different because a watch is a memento. If you had a friend who was a police officer, for instance, and got shot and died--would you ask for his bloody uniform to be put in a display case in your living room? That is how I view it anyway. Just...odd and a little creepish.

^That also.

[caradoc2000]

I found her to be interesting- especially her evolution from a scared scientist to a strong, resourceful individual.

Hate is a strong word, but I disliked her 180 degree turn.

[MSDChaos]

It's different because a watch is a memento. If you had a friend who was a police officer, for instance, and got shot and died--would you ask for his bloody uniform to be put in a display case in your living room? That is how I view it anyway. Just...odd and a little creepish.

If that officer was one of the greatest ever, and saved the country. Then maybe I could see it.

 

I don't think a bloody uniform and broken armor piece are quite the same anyway.

[Drone223]

If that officer was one of the greatest ever, and saved the country. Then maybe I could see it.

 

I don't think a bloody uniform and broken armor piece are quite the same anyway.

There are quite the same if they died in it.

[MSDChaos]

There are quite the same if they died in it.

Technically yes. But most people won't react to broken armor the same way as a bloody cloth.

[Drone223]

Technically yes. But most people won't react to broken armor the same way as a bloody cloth.

They'd most likely would react if some one died in it.

[KBomb]

If that officer was one of the greatest ever, and saved the country. Then maybe I could see it.

 

I don't think a bloody uniform and broken armor piece are quite the same anyway.

So, is she keeping it because of her fondness of Shepard, or just because he was the "greatest" soldier? Either way, I find that strange. I could see a museum or some sort of archive keeping his armor, but as a friend? Maybe I just see things differently. I wouldn't want something on constant display that would remind me of his death. I would want something that reminded me of his life. Even then, I doubt I would keep it on display with other relics of interest. 

 

Also, Shepard's armor is his uniform--whether it's made of cloth or not. 

[Mordokai]

I do this only because I enjoy proving how narrow-minded or just plain wrong your views are. I don't expect you to remember this(we've been over it before and god knows you'll forget it when convenient anyway) and I certainly don't expect to change your mind.

 

With that in mind...

 

After T'soni mentions Ilos, she all of sudden telling Shepard what to do. You must tell the coucil, you must get the fleets together. I wanted to tell her to shut up. Shepard doesn't tell her what size shovel to use on her digsites.

 

So you have a hardened military commander who feels threatened by a naive archeologist? Seems like she has some issues.

 

In ME2, if you decide to go to Illium to see T'soni, you get a what-the-crap hug. Why? I didn't get a handshake or hug from Anderson on the Citadel when I saw him, if you choose to see him, and he knew Shepard better than Liara. So why do I get this hug? Its unavoidable. If your friends or romance fine, but someone who doesn't like her, it was uncalled for.

 

Bioware decided Shepard and Liara are friends. It's canonized. You don't have to like it, but the sooner you accept it, the easier your life will be.

 

You fine out she gave your body to Cerberus and all she gives you is some pathetic answer. She also believes she is more important than Shepard's mother(for those who play a spacer) not to tell her that she gave his/her body to Cerberus. I asked a few people how their mother would react to that and they told me that their mother would most likely kill that person for hiding that from them.

 

Hannah Shepard is a ranking officer of Alliance. Telling her what happened would led to Alliance most likely finding out and performing a raid on Cerberus, likely disrupting Lazarus and stopping any chance of bringing Shepard back. Collectors build a human Reaper, Reapers invade, game over. Literally and figuratively.

 

In the broker dlc in her apartment, she has Shepard's armor in a glass case being displayed like its some kind of trophy. That tells me she has serious mental issues and should be avoided. I don't know if its an Asari trait to do crap like that, but for me she has head problems. After killing Vasir, I don't get the opportunity to ask about the armor in her apartment. Why? Is it  because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between Liara and Shepard?

 

You act like Liara stripped an armor from Shepard's dead body. For all we know, she never did that. If she got to Alchera and got the body there, we see parts of armor are lying around, as witnessed by Shepard's helmet, which can be picked up. We see soon in ME3 that chestplate is detachable. It could have fallen off of Shepard's body and have been simply picked up.

 

We see in Redemption it was Shadow Broker who actually retrieved Shepard's corpse. After the events of the comic, the body is transferred to Lazarus station, where it's given to Cerberus. Liara practically didn't get the chance to do anything with the corpse. We can deduce, with reasonable certainty, it was given to her by Miranda. Whether she asked for it or was that Miranda's idea is for anybody to guess.

 

Once again I say, feel free to see Liara as cackling ghoul that riffles through the possession of dead Shepard for her own sick pleasure. Just have decency to realize how biased and untrue that mental picture is.

 

When facing the broker I have protect her instead of my other squadmate. Again what makes her more important than the other squadmate who could be a LI? After the broker is killed, I have the option to hug her or not. Where was that option when I first saw Liara?

 

Story reasons, she is Shepard's most important friend. Once again, not to your liking, but Bioware decided for you. Deal with it.

 

Metagaming reasons, this is Liara's battle. Shepard can help her(since nothing gets done without Shepard and in this case, even that is not totally true, as witnessed by the fact that she steal defeats the Broker even if Shepard doesn't help her), but other squadmate needs to be out of the picture.

 

If you bring her on the Normandy, she hands you your dogtags. The story she gives on how she got them is pathetic. Why can't I ask her why Hackett gave them to her? Again what makes her more important than my mother? And speaking of the dogtags, why didn't she give them to you in her office instead of walking off? Unfortunately Shepard had no idea they were in her hand at that time.

 

Who else was Hackett supposed to give them to? Garrus disappeared, VS made it clear they want nothing to have with Shepard, Wrex was dealing with krogan on Tuchanka or dead, and Tali was on a secret mission. And here you have an information broker who just happens to know where Shepard is and is good position to give them back their dogtags.

[Mordokai]

She mentions its her birthday and instead of wanting a present, she says I have you. What? Where's Javik to throw her out the airlock? She has serious problems. And a moment later I get another what-the-crap hug. Again, what happen to the option of hugging her or not.

 

*insert the canonized friendship mantra here*

 

In ME3, when you meet her on Mars she says she found plans to stop the reapers. Fine. Why didn't she forward them to Hackett when she found them? He gave her access to the archives. When fighting the goons, she tells Shepard that he/she more than guns to kill them. Really. A moment later the goons are dead , all by gunshots. Why is she a squadmate? A moment later, she tells me to get to cover. No kidding Sherlock. Why is Liara telling Shepard what to do in combat? She needs to take her own advice.

 

More insecurities from a fabled commander?

 

We get to the overhead turret and again telling my to stay in cover. Can I kill her already? Shortly after that she says Ashley/Kaidan are capable. Well T'soni, they are even before you were known. So how about shut up.

 

On the Normandy, she says Ashley/Kaidan needs a doctor. T'soni your powers of observation proceed you, do you have anymore talents that we don't know about?

 

Considering how observant Shepard can be, yeah, those things actually merit pointing out

 

After talking with Hackett, she and Shepard exchange dialogue that adds up to a lot of nothing. When facing the council, if you pick the top right dialogue, Shepards says If Liara believes that it will work, then so do I. Why? No one knows what is does at that point.

 

You mean why a word of leading prothean scientist on a prothean based weapon/device would mean anything? Yeah, I do wonder why indeed...

 

I get to Miranda's office and apparently Liara decided it was ok to put all her garbage in Miranda's office without asking. Too bad there wasn't an option to send her to Hackett. But my shepard, or I should say, Shepards stunt double, didn't have a problem with that.

 

So you'd rather have a perfectly good office waste away, when you have freakin' Shadow Broker on board and it suits her needs to put her "crap" in it and help you with war effort? I... guess that makes some weird sort of sense. Oh wait, it totally doesn't.

 

And before the argument of her supposed uselessness come up... she did plenty, just not the most flashy stuff. And you above all people should be happy about that, since it allowed Traynor to get more content. On account of taking it away from Liara, but ok, I'll live.

 

After the 2nd dream, why can't she use the intercom to tell me the Salarian councilor wants to talk? I would like to ask if it was quicker to come up to my cabin than using the intercom. Or what's wrong with edi or Traynor telling Shepard over the intercom?

 

You conveniently forgot about the scene that precedes talking about the councilor. Where Liara and Shepard can talk about those already lost to the war effort. Where Shepard can confide about her real feelings to Liara and she can ease some of her anguish. It's another thing that further enforces that yes, Shepard and Liara are friends and very good ones as that.

 

To put it bluntly, the part about the councilor is not important. It's the sharing of a friendly moment between two friends who have been to hell and back together and know what other is talking about/feeling. The part about the councilor is an afterthought.

 

If you decide to do the Monestary mission, Liara isn't required, but she still ends up with more dialogue than anyone else when she talks about the ardot yakshi( I know I spelled it wrong).

 

So you find it weird that your asari squadmate has more to say about an asari phenomena than your non asari squadmates?

 

 

On Thessia. Her comment about Allaince support was crap. I wanted to turn around and smash her face and then grab her buy the throat and tell that if it wasn't for her stupid government waiting for the last minute, none of this might not of happened. If any other character was to of say the same, I would smashed their face in as well. You get to the temple and find out her goddess is a Prothean. That was funny when Javik said that. When Javik activates the beacon, Liara says it must be the Cipher you got on Feros. Or it could be the Prothean standing beside you. She is not very observant is she?

 

The comment about Alliance... so you begrudge a caustic remark to the person who is just witnessing the possible end of everything she holds dear? Yeah, maybe it was a little over the top, but I don't think she was thinking with clear head when she said that. Would you also complain if she admitted that the asari government was to blame for all of this? Or would that be base to bash Liara on how stupid she is to say something like that? Is there anything she can say/not say that would please you?

 

Also, I question how healthy the amount of rage you display here is. It's a fictional character, for Pete's sake.

 

As for Javik... the lines are the same if you don't bring him along, in which case it makes a lot of sense. So yeah, she actually is pretty observant.

 

Back on the Normandy, Liara is yelling at Javik for no reason and all we get is a paragon interrupt. Why? What right does she have to yell at him? I can yell at Joker, but I can't yell at T'soni.

 

Sooooo... him gloating about the end of civilization and countless deaths to her face is nothing to be angry about? If somebody killed your family(god forbid, but it's the example that usually hits close to home) and many of your dear friends and I then gloated to your face about it and told you it's all on them... you're telling me you would just stand there and smile? If that is so... well, I won't finish that thought.

 

And paragon interrupt... yes, canonized friendship. Again.

 

So, in retrospect, yes, Liara has been canonized as Shepard's closest and dearest friends. Bioware decided for us. You don't like it? You feel she is forced on you? Likely true. But it's been two long years. Anybody should have been able to move past it by now. And if not, why are you guys still playing this game if it brings you so much misery to see such a loathed character?

 

I'm now going to save the link to this post in a separate document and put it on desktop, so I can just copy/paste it when this issue next arises. It will be much easier than writing all of this again.

[DuskWanderer]

That poll oh my god. Half bioware worship, half skyrim whatever. ;p 

Btw the results for the top 4 are all at 75%. Sounds a bit fishy.

 

That's why I don't trust polls. It's not regulated and crazy fangirls can do what they want

[KaiserShep]

I get to Miranda's office and apparently Liara decided it was ok to put all her garbage in Miranda's office without asking. Too bad there wasn't an option to send her to Hackett. But my shepard, or I should say, Shepards stunt double, didn't have a problem with that.

 

It bears reminding that the only reason Shepard got the Normandy back was because of the sudden reaper attack. From Traynor, we learn that Anderson was going to take the ship away from Shepard and make it his mobile command center. More than likely, an arrangement was made so that the shadow broker would be an integral part of it. Whether or not they would've left Shepard in custody is anyone's guess, but considering how people can suddenly get a case of the blind and stupids in Mass Effect, I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that.

 

I always feel a little annoyed with the Anderson character after learning this though. Like, save the galaxy, and your reward is a prison cell in Vancouver.

[SNascimento]

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You're making a very good point about why people dislike Liara just by how often you repeat Bioware made decisions for you and the player needs to accept them. Mass Effect was all about choice, you take that away, people don't like. Especially them a lot of them would make other ones. 

Not only because personal preference but also in game reason. Liara was a terrible Shadow Broker for example. 

[Farangbaa]

You're making a very good point about why people dislike Liara just by how often you repeat Bioware made decisions for you and the player needs to accept them. Mass Effect was all about choice, you take that away, people don't like. Especially them a lot of them would make other ones. 

Not only because personal preference but also in game reason. Liara was a terrible Shadow Broker for example. 

 

All about choice? Oh.

 

I didn't want to be a Spectre.