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Mass Effect 2 - PC digital edition with install limitations?

Débuté par Llordus , janv. 23 2010 12:02

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Llordus
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:02

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I just read there: http://www.masseffect.com/info/faq/ that PC digital edition will be limited to 5 installations in total.
Does anybody know, why such stupid limit? Is there any chance it will be cancelled for some time in the future?

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LexXxich
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:17

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This is something I'd like to know as well. Was copy protection that comes with online distributors like Steam and D2D not enough? It seems a bit redundant.

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Gebut
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:24

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That's lame. Nice of them releasing this info 3 days before release, when everyone have already preordered.

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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:24

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This is only for the EA Store digital copies I assume.

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Jazharah
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:26

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You can find everything regarding the new activationsystem, first sported by DragonAge here:

EA support article: activation

Excerpt that answers your question and shows there's no need to worry:

What happens when I've reached the maximum number of machine launches?
  • While EA's online activation solution will allow you to activate
    your game on as many machines as you like, you can launch your game on
    no more than five machines in any 24-hour period.
  • You will have to wait to launch your game on an additional machine
    until 24-hours after you launched the first game during the previous
    24-hour period.

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Halabit
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:26

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I hope it's only for EA Store , because I can't see how they can implement something like that in Steam ( or I hope they can't :) )

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Jazharah
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:29

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It's a game published by EA, with their licensing system. You activate with EA, not with BioWare or your reseller, hence, it's relatively safe to assume it doesn't only apply to copies bought at the EA store.

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Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:32

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So basically unlimited installs but you can't install on more than 5 PC in 24 hours. If am reading that right. Phew, OP had me really wondering then.

Got to wonder who has that many PCs? :blink:

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Gebut
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:33

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The dragon age system they used was cool, but IF they have gone back to 5 installs I will refund my copy

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Gebut
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:34

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Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

So basically unlimited installs but you can't install on more than 5 PC in 24 hours. If am reading that right. Phew, OP had me really wondering then.


that was for dragon age. mass effect faq lists something else. more like old style drm crap

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Llordus
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:39

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Jazharah wrote...

You can find everything regarding the new activationsystem, first sported by DragonAge here:

EA support article: activation[*]


That's quite interesting, but this means - you can play the game on 5 pc during some time period, then you need to wait some time and other pc machines can be used for playing anyway. Seems that it shoudn't be annoying in normal usage of game.
Unfortunatelly, this is completely different that explicite "you will be able to install the game 5 times " written in the faq.

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MajorBast
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:39

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Why do you want to install it more than 5 times?

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MajorBast
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:40

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In fact why more than once?

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Llordus
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:43

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MajorBast wrote...

Why do you want to install it more than 5 times?


Isn't that obvious? With PC you need sometimes to upgrade your hardware and reinstall operating system - which also means that most of the programs (or games) needs to be reinstalled as well. Eventually you can just uninstall the game to make more space on HDD for some other title. That quite usual, at least in my case.
According to fact, that I like to play my games more than once - it may happen, that some day I won't be able to use product I have paid for - which is completely unacceptable for me.

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Jazharah
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:49

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The FAQ explicitly says '5 installs' which is indeed confusing if you read the actual terms that were applied to DragonAge - however I remember this exact phrase being used at Direct2Drive for DragonAge as well.

If they're using the same system as DA, I'd recommend changing the '5 installs' to '5 concurrently active installations', if they're not using the same system as DA, I dread the rage of an upset mob of ex-customers.

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MajorBast
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 12:53

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In reality 5 times is more than enough? how often do people upgrade their systems to necessitate multiple installs/uninstalls - not too often would be my guess. I think people are upset cause they cant just buy one copy and load it up for all their mates.



I agree that its your product that you have spent money on and you should be able to do what you want with it but please be realistic when it comes to reality, how many times do YOU really need to install/uninstall..........................

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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:01

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It is really annoying. I want to be able to install as many times as I wish. I'm going to be furious, if in ten years it tells me to buy another copy. I expect my digital purchases to be available to me as long as I live. (Or twenty, or thirty or forty years, whenever I feel like playing an old game I own again)

Limiting how many can play one the same account is fine. Actually, one, and only one, should be able to play a copy at a time. I support that greatly. My friends might be disappointed that they can never borrow my games, but I don't care; I bought them for my entertainment, not theirs. They can simply purchase them as well.

If any of my games ever tell me to purchase it again, because of some limit, I'm not going to hesitate with "stealing" it. (As I do not see it as stealing when I own it, no matter what they wrote with small letters at purchase) It's not like my physical games suddenly disintegrates after a number of installations. Why should my digital purchases then do so?

Modifié par ipwndk, 23 janvier 2010 - 01:03 .

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Llordus
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:03

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MajorBast wrote...
how many times do YOU really need to install/uninstall..........................


Too often I would say. Unfortunatelly I do not have any log with information of which game I have installed/uninstalled and when.
But I know I do it sometimes. And I know that I definitely don't want to be bothered with requirement of remember how many times did I install some game, because I spent money for a game to have fun, and such activation limits are not fun but just bothering.

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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:04

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MajorBast wrote...

In reality 5 times is more than enough? how often do people upgrade their systems to necessitate multiple installs/uninstalls


How often do I upgrade? Usually 2-3 times a year. 5 activation limit is fine if a) it uses the Dragon Age system or B) there's a revoke license tool. Otherwise it's once again pissing all over your customers. Too bad EA Store never gives out details regarding their DRM. Very badly run site. Even the Dragon Age DRM is nowhere to be found on that site; you had to actually go to a completely different EA site to find that out.

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Jazharah
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:11

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EA sites are abhorrent lol. I only stumbled across it on accident while making sure I registered ME1 and DA:O

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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:13

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MajorBast wrote...

In reality 5 times is more than enough? how often do people upgrade their systems to necessitate multiple installs/uninstalls - not too often would be my guess. I think people are upset cause they cant just buy one copy and load it up for all their mates.

I agree that its your product that you have spent money on and you should be able to do what you want with it but please be realistic when it comes to reality, how many times do YOU really need to install/uninstall..........................


NO, it is NOT enough.

When I'm done playing a game, I uninstall it. When I want to play it again, I reinstall it. My favourite game Half-life 2, has been reinstalled at least 10 times. A similar number with the episodes.

It's not simply about upgrading systems. I reformat my computer at least once a year. Back in the XP days, I reformatted almost every month to keep it at its best. But even when this isn't the case, as I said, I do uninstall games when I'm done playing them. This is simply because I will not allow a single program to sit on my computer unless it serves a purpose, to avoid the clutter of various programs to slow my computer.

I might be a special case. But I see no reason why I should be punished. Also, as I mentioned in a post above, this is not just about my ability to play the game NOW. I want to be able to play the game at my whim at any time in the future, be it a year or forty years from now. No exceptions. A physical copy allows me to do this, and I will settle for no less with digital copies.

If the limit if 5 copies within a short period of time, then fine. But if it ever inconveniences me, I demand it to be solved immediately, or I will bypass their stupid limitations.

By the way. This whole manic reformatting and strict cleaning of computers is not something I'm alone in doing. My friends that are either experienced in computers in general, or experienced in games at a competitive level, do this as well. Those of my friends that do not do this, contacts me once in a while, when I have to clean up their mess. I simply backup their stuff, and reinstall. It's a mystery to me how people can manage to destroy their computer so fast. What are they installing?!

Modifié par ipwndk, 23 janvier 2010 - 01:18 .

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Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:16

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i also do same as you ipwndk, when i am done with the game i uninstall it, if i want to play again i reinstall it. I am using steam and i hope this is not hte case for steam version.

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DKnightPortela
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:23

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BIOWARE RESOLVE THIS! I did not pay a DDE to be told what to do with it when pirates can do what ever they want install whatever time they wish. I'm a paying customer i want to do to with the thing i BOUGHT WHATEVER I WANT, i should have expect this from EA, they treat their paying customers like WE ARE THE CRIMINALS.

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Jazharah
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:35

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Before screaming death and terror, let's hold the horses and let a rep reply?



In that regard... can a mod look into this please so there's no need for speculation and unnecessary worrying?

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Starfire013
Posté 23 janvier 2010 - 01:38

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It's 5 activations per 24 hours, people. I don't see the problem. It's not 5 activations ever. I hardly think any sane person would be changing their system configuration 5 times in a day and reinstalling the game in between each time.



While I don't like DRM in general, I don't think this system is one I'm going to complain about.
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