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[LobselVith8]

Was Petrice involved in the elven fanatic's plans? I don't remember her being mentioned.

 

It's implied by the elven fanatic who mentions getting help from humans like Hawke, and Petrice is behind the anti-Qunari group lead by Varnell.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The thing is, during the Qunari incident at Kirkwall, there were many elves that joined them but none of the poor humans from lowtown did. And even amongst the alienage there was severe anti-Qunari backlash. It seems unlikely to me that anyone but mostly the very bottom of the rungs of Thedosian society would willing join them.

 

Well we don't know what peoples joned we saw only few elves but we know that a lot peoples started join to them what started ****** off chantry and petrice ,thing is that qunri didn't even tried convert peoples themselves went to join them.That would be even more successful now where war is everywhere and nobles don't care and from both sides insane mages and templars crush peoples between.

[Finnn62]

I like the regular Olesian/Ferelden Chantry, they seem to do good for the most part, though maybe they go a bit too hard on mages at times. It seems somewhat believable, at least in that the darkspawn and demons exist and it seems to be well documented that Andraste did do much of what the Chantry says she did. I'm mostly cool with dwarven religion with the Stone & the Paragons; seems like a cool sort of honor system, but I really don't like the casteless as second class citizen deal. The creators story seems… complex and I really don't know what to think of it, but it doesn't seem all that hurtful. The Qun seems a bit to rigid and unaccepting of change, but it there's a certain odd charm to the solid unchanging bit. As for the in-game:

 

My Warden was a dwarven noble, who embraced the Chantries teachings but in way closer to Leliana's idea of them, Leliana being the one who introduced her to the Chantry. She still revered the Stone & Paragons to an extent, but came to believe that the Maker was the true god and the Paragons only role models. The Stone perhaps had some connection to the Maker, she thought, but was uncertain. She wondered about whether the elven Creators fit in with her beliefs, but did not go very far in these thoughts. She appreciated Sten's views as having a sort of respectable rigidity, but could not accept his views on the role of women in society.

 

My Hawke was just mostly a joker not above deriding religion, but deep down did have some belief in the Chantry's teachings, though not believing in the more extremist views of some and not taking the Chantry to be incorruptible having learned not to by observing Mother Petrice's wrong-doings. She appreciated Elthina's attempts to calm things, but when Anders blew the Chantry up, was able to put aside her feelings of anger and forgave Anders, taking into account that she owed him for rescuing Bethany. She sided with the templars to make sure things didn't get to out of hand, convincing them to spare the mages. The Qunari were viewed as enemies, but respectable warriors. The elves had a religion and my Hawke didn't really pay it much mind, except noting that Merrill's summoning of demons seemed incredibly stupid.

 

So far, I've liked to always take the middle road, with a heavy leaning towards the Andrastian Chantry. I'll probably have my male warrior character do the same in Inquisition. I'm not sure of the exact circumstances in Inquisition, though, so we'll see. (I perhaps went a bit too in-depth in this post. I feel very nerdy right now. Maybe, too much roleplaying head-canon junk, lol. Oh well.)

[Feybrad]

I have conflicted Opinions. While the Chantries have a decent Philosophy at the Bottom and the Chant of Light certainly transports justifiable Morals, I feel like the Chantries are far too political minded to live up to that. The Chant is misused for Politics and the Chantry in itself has become a political Institution of great Influence - I think, the white Chantry is even worse in that regard than the black One, since the Magisters keep the latter one on the Leash, while the former is presented as important as the Government of any Nation. And since the Chantry has mostly been screwing up in the last few Years of the game I view it as very critical - an organisation that can not endure in the Way it was before.

 

On the other Hand, the Philosophy of the Qun is very questionable (gender roles, mage treatment etc.) , but it has one major Advantage, both in my eyes and the eyes of my characters. It is effective. As Ketojan demonstrated it's Methods of Mage Restriction are, while incredibly brutal and dehumanizing, equally successful. Their Mages are Weapons and strong Ones at that, serving the Community, while their Mages do not even get a Taste of Freedom and quietly accept their Fate. Say what you will about Indoctrination, but the Saarebaas-System has so far proven much more effective in keeping Mages in Line than the Circle.

 

Another Thing is, that the Chantries actively prosecute Infidels - the Elves of the Dales being the most prominent Examples. The Qunari, on the other hand, were never seen to be going out of their Way to convert others - Sten, for example, even turned down excellent Examples for preaching. The Arishok did as well, and even during their very prolonged Stay in Kirkwall the only Converts to the Qun came the willingly. They even stand up for one another, as shown by the Incident in Kirkwall at the End of Act 2.

 

For those Reason - Qun Effectiveness vs. Chantry Politicking - I would rank the Qun higher than the Chantries for me as a Person. However, above both of them are the Religions we don't know as much about.

The Stone Worship of the Dwarves has it's Downsides, but if I remember correctly, it does not tie as heavily into dwarven Politics as the Chantry does. The casteless Issue is, as I recall, not a religious One at Heart, even though it was quickly made one, as the border between dwarven Culture and Religion is fleeting.

The Barbarian Nature Gods seems very obscure at this Point, so much, that we don't really know about the Downsides of their Worship. However, it seemed to involve a lot of dangerous Magic, seeing as most Appereances of Avvar, Allamari or Chasind Gods involve slaying Undead.

Top Spot in my Regard gets the dalish Pantheon. We do know next to nothing about the Way they are worshipped, but it at least seems to be very secluded from the Way the Clans are led and also does not demand either Conversion of Others or any shady Business to appease those Gods. Thus, they win.

[DRTJR]

2, 1, 8, 6, 5, 7, 3, 4

2. I actually believe in Tevinter's interpretation. In OG Tevinter it was the Magister who served their magic. Now it's the magic that serves the Magisters. The Tevinter of today is much better than the Tevinter of Coreypheous' era. Also Elves get a chance to advance in Tevinter.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Tevinter today is better than Ancient Tevinter but it's still worse than every other human nation in Thedas.

[Wolfen09]

1.  White Chantry - means well, and the message it spreads is fine as well.  However the people who are in the chantry are misusing the teachings, reform must happen.

 

2.  Black Chantry - not even a real religion at this point, from what we know its just a name that protects the people from the consequences of the horrible acts they commit.

 

3.  Qunari  - not a religion to the qunari, but to the outside world it is.  not having a way to change your life in society and the harsh practices kind of sucks, its not evil, but its not particularly good either

 

4.  Rivani Qunari - live under the qun, see qunari

 

5.  Rivani seers - not bothering anybody, not going on mage abomination rampages, i have not problem with them

 

6.  Almarri - I was very interested since they brought up Keld in "The Calling," we dont a lot about them, but we know they are a more nomadic people.  As far as their religion, i havent heard of any blood sacrifices or major holy wars involving them, so i got no beef with them.

 

7.  Dalish - I like the Dalish, i like their religion and stories.  What I dont like is the sheer stupidity some of their leaders have had.  yes they usually dont mess with demons, but we have seen 2 (3 if you count merathari's possession) mess with demons and not have a good outcome.  Zathrian was no better, though he was dealing with spirits not demons (or was he? *dramatic music*)

 

8.  Dwarves - The caste system is kind of like the qunari system, however it seems there is a little leeway regarding paragons and their families.  I think the religion is more caught up in politics than anything, and is actually to the point where i dont consider it a religion for them anymore.  Things need to change for things to get better, which is why a lot of people thing bhelen was the better choice in origins.

[The Ascendant]

I am still debating whether to choose human or Qunari Inquisitor. Religion is a major area of concern and the leader of an international organization will be scrutinised which side he/she favors.