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Only one of the Dragon Age romances have produced a child, why is that?


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#101
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Even in SWTOR, marrying your LI and them always bringing up kids at the end was pretty  :huh: inducing. No, Malavai, I don't want to look after rugrats and bake cookies. I want to kill things with my lightsaber. Sheesh!

Come on now, we both know Quinn would be the house husband ^_^


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Can someone please explain the Balduir's Gate 2 baby in inventory fiasco to me please? I find I am quite curious about it.



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You know what, with the introduction of cole, this is fixed. No matter who you romance, just adopt Cole.


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Can someone please explain the Balduir's Gate 2 baby in inventory fiasco to me please? I find I am quite curious about it.

 

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It's a useless item that takes up space.



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Wouldn't having children take from the rest of the game? Hey I am this bad ass character who if I wanted to could destroy the world. Can't do that now, need to go not neglect the kid. He is trying to eat his own poop. 

 

When I play games, I play them because they are fun. I don't want games to simulate my real life. 


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Perhaps babies haven't been in the games simply because the writers weren't sold on a specific story element. Or maybe they couldn't get branching programming implemented for such a big life event.

There are valid stories that can be told of adventurous parents. All different types of scenarios that could provide wonderful exploration of the setting and of real world examinations of the subject.

This might need to be the primary focus however otherwise it could feel cheap and tacked on. eg. Luke and Leia feel tacked on when you watch the Star Wars Prequels.
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Can someone please explain the Balduir's Gate 2 baby in inventory fiasco to me please? I find I am quite curious about it.

Essentially, one of the romances options (Aerie, specifically) gets pregnant during the game. This pregnancy takes a while, and eventually, she has the kid (also keep in mind that the pregnancy only takes place in the expansion- which is set mostly in Hell) and it does nothing but take up space in her inventory.

 

As far as I can recall, you can't prevent her from having the baby, and once she has it, there's no way to get rid of it or store it, in a game that has ery limited inventory space.



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I... would really not be OK with my Inquisitor being knocked up in between all the world saving.Having a child is an enormous responsibility, and choosing to pop children out during the Blight/Qunari Invasion/Mage-Templar war/Demons popping up all over the place (delete as appropriate) is not really the sensible choice. Not to mention which, supposing you free your 'parents' up by leaving the child with a babysitter. The child is leverage, a target, and clearly unsafe anywhere. I just don't see it, for practical or personal reasons. Of course, as with anything YMMV


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Ok. Here's how things work. It's harder to concive a child that it might seem. All those movies and TV shows have created over time an erroneous ideea inside peoples head , making them believe (including myself, until quite recently) that making babies is a very easy thing to do.

 

This is how things work in RL ( and no, I won't take in consideration the other aspects like dwarf fertility, magic et cetera)

 

Inside the ovaries of a woman there are some special structures called follicles. Out of them, around 300-400 are able to produce egg cells, one at a time (usually) . So a woman has around 300-400 menstrual cycles from their first one until their menopause.

 

The menstrual cicle of a woman lasts approximately 28 days. It is divided in two parts : the pre and postovulation period.

The first one lasts until ~ day 14. During this time, one of the follics goes through some transformations that will ultimately lead to it creating the egg cell.

 

In the 14th day the follic breaks and the egg cells is sent in the abdominal cavity, where it's absorbed by the uterin tubes...in other words the ovulation takes place. It remains viable only 24 hours after it was expelled from the ovary.

 

 

 

Now let's take in consideration the sperm cells. The average sperm quantity ejaculated during a sexual act is around 3,5 ml ( Sorry for those of you that use the imperial system, but let's face it...it's just plain awful). In 1 ml of sperm there are around 120000000 sperm cells. If the number drops below 20000000 then the guy is most likely infertile ( sorry Grey Wardens)

 

Most of the sperm cells don't last more than 24 hours inside the genital tract of a woman, but some of them can last up to 72 hours.

Than been said, the sexual act must take place somewhere between 1 day prior to the ovulation up to 1 day after it to ferlitize the egg cell. If the sexual act takes place in a different day that doesn't meet this criteria then there will be no baby, even if the love birds don't use protection. ;) (Note: this parameters might slightly change from case to case, so if you want to...aham...use this information for...aham...scientific purposes I advice you to add some extra days to the waiting just to be sure)

 

If the egg cell is fetilized, then you get a baby. If not, in the 19-20 day of the cycle the inside layer of the uterus goes through some vasculary transformations that lead to its necrosis, some hemoragy and the elimination of the egg cell. Don't worry, it rebuilds itself  ^_^ .

 

 

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Ok. Here's how things work. It's harder to concive a child that it might seem. All those movies and TV shows have created over time an erroneous ideea inside peoples head , making them believe (including myself, until quite recently) that making babies is a very easy thing to do.

 

This is how things work in RL ( and no, I won't take in consideration the other aspects like dwarf fertility, magic et cetera)

 

Inside the ovaries of a woman there are some special structures called follicles. Out of them, around 300-400 are able to produce egg cells, one at a time (usually) . So a woman has around 300-400 menstrual cycles from their first one until their menopause.

 

The menstrual cicle of a woman lasts approximately 28 days. It is divided in two parts : the pre and postovulation period.

The first one lasts until ~ day 14. During this time, one of the follics goes through some transformations that will ultimately lead to it creating the egg cell.

 

In the 14th day the follic breaks and the egg cells is sent in the abdominal cavity, where it's absorbed by the uterin tubes...in other words the ovulation takes place. It remains viable only 24 hours after it was expelled from the ovary.

 

 

 

Now let's take in consideration the sperm cells. The average sperm quantity ejaculated during a sexual act is around 3,5 ml ( Sorry for those of you that use the imperial system, but let's face it...it's just plain awful). In 1 ml of sperm there are around 120000000 sperm cells. If the number drops bellow 20000000 then the guy is most likely infertile ( sorry Grey Wardens)

 

Most of the sperm cells don't last more than 24 hours inside the genital tract of a woman, but some of them can last up to 72 hours.

Than been said, the sexual act must take place somewhere between 1 day prior to the ovulation up to 1 day after it to ferlitize the egg cell. If the sexual act takes place in a different day that doesn't meet this criteria then there will be no baby, even if the love birds don't use protection. ;) (Note: this parameters might slightly change from case to case, so if you want to...aham...use this information for...aham...scientific purposes I advice you to add some extra days to the waiting just to be sure)

 

If the egg cell is fetilized, then you get a baby. If not, in the 19-20 day of the cycle the inside layer of the uterus goes through some vasculary transformations that lead to it's necrosis, some hemoragy and the elimination of the egg cell. Don't worry, it rebuilds itself  ^_^ .

 

 

Questions?

And I get modded for talking about Blood Mages on their period...


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#111
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It's a useless item that takes up space.


I dunno, sounds pretty realistic to me. :D

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Considering, how obsessive some fans are with the OGB, I don't think it would be wise for them to implement it. If you want to have kids in game,then there're games like : Harvest Moon, Fire Emblem, Rune Factory, and Fable. For that sort of thing..

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It's a useless item that takes up space.

 

They should have made it an equippable weapon.


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Just out of pure curiosity, why is it that only Morrigan's romance produces a child? Why not other romances in DA? 

 

 

in the WCs case it is stated that the grey warden ritual causes 'trouble' in that area, in Hawkes.. no idea really, but it pretty much has to be a given that some form of birth control is available, if you have potions that can seal an axe wound, a contraceptive isn't that hard to imagine.



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Cause this is Da not the sims. You want kids go play that.


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Considering, how obsessive some fans are with the OGB, I don't think it would be wise for them to implement it. If you want to have kids in game,then there're games like : Harvest Moon, Fire Emblem, Rune Factory, and Fable. For that sort of thing..

 

The OGB is a game changer in Thedas. It's not a normal child.


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Ok. Here's how things work. It's harder to concive a child that it might seem. All those movies and TV shows have created over time an erroneous ideea inside peoples head , making them believe (including myself, until quite recently) that making babies is a very easy thing to do.

This is how things work in RL ( and no, I won't take in consideration the other aspects like dwarf fertility, magic et cetera)

Inside the ovaries of a woman there are some special structures called follicles. Out of them, around 300-400 are able to produce egg cells, one at a time (usually) . So a woman has around 300-400 menstrual cycles from their first one until their menopause.

The menstrual cicle of a woman lasts approximately 28 days. It is divided in two parts : the pre and postovulation period.
The first one lasts until ~ day 14. During this time, one of the follics goes through some transformations that will ultimately lead to it creating the egg cell.

In the 14th day the follic breaks and the egg cells is sent in the abdominal cavity, where it's absorbed by the uterin tubes...in other words the ovulation takes place. It remains viable only 24 hours after it was expelled from the ovary.



Now let's take in consideration the sperm cells. The average sperm quantity ejaculated during a sexual act is around 3,5 ml ( Sorry for those of you that use the imperial system, but let's face it...it's just plain awful). In 1 ml of sperm there are around 120000000 sperm cells. If the number drops below 20000000 then the guy is most likely infertile ( sorry Grey Wardens)

Most of the sperm cells don't last more than 24 hours inside the genital tract of a woman, but some of them can last up to 72 hours.
Than been said, the sexual act must take place somewhere between 1 day prior to the ovulation up to 1 day after it to ferlitize the egg cell. If the sexual act takes place in a different day that doesn't meet this criteria then there will be no baby, even if the love birds don't use protection. ;) (Note: this parameters might slightly change from case to case, so if you want to...aham...use this information for...aham...scientific purposes I advice you to add some extra days to the waiting just to be sure)

If the egg cell is fetilized, then you get a baby. If not, in the 19-20 day of the cycle the inside layer of the uterus goes through some vasculary transformations that lead to its necrosis, some hemoragy and the elimination of the egg cell. Don't worry, it rebuilds itself ^_^ .


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Science! It is a wonderful thing, perhaps THE thing.

However it is a short-sighted and careless approach to "preach" conception is harder than believed. Medical conditions permitting, it can happen with one time. It can happen with protection and even on the pill. There are biological, medicinal and practical things that absolutely can impact scheduling and most precautions; short of surgical or the established medical conditions not permitting.

I am a father of four. To note; My wife and I are not uneducated or careless. Whether we're lucky or unlucky is all a matter of perspective... and one I teeter back and forth on, to be honest. The only important thing is the clear message that there are conditions which can facilitate conception even over precaution.

If you do it (and medically permitting) then understand the consequences of that choice. Of course sex is awesome, it's supposed to be otherwise the species would not propagate. However sex, hetero-intercourse at least, is literally a reproductive act. The sooner society reacquaints itself with this concept the better.

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Seeing as my comments spawned a lengthy discussion, I should clarify. I see an RPG as being about choice and control over your character. If I don't want my character to have children, that means I want a certain kind of romantic relationship. While I acknowledge that the writers retain control over a character, and can't write your ideal epilogue, there are some parameters they have to respect. For example, if you pick nothing but the goody-goody choices, an epilogue that has your character become the new Big Bad and commit the worse acts of genocide in the history of the setting would be a Bad Idea ™. 

 

Having an M/F romance end in a child in the epilogue (basically out of the blue) is really overwriting a character, and basically imposing on them a life that the writer thinks is the "right" path for a romance. While you could argue other things do this (e.g. being together forever), children I think are a particular problem because - as this thread sort of shows - the choice not to have kids is still not something that society is super OK with. Although I will say that people feeling sorry for me is a new one - I typically get the "you're young" and "you'll totally change your mind lines".  

 

If you do it (and medically permitting) then understand the consequences of that choice. Of course sex is awesome, it's supposed to be otherwise the species would not propagate. However sex, hetero-intercourse at least, is literally a reproductive act. The sooner society reacquaints itself with this concept the better.

There are lots of ways to have heterosexual sex (i.e., as a man with a woman, or as a woman with a man) while keeping the possibility of pregnancy at just about 0%. There is more to sex than just vaginal intercourse. In fact, I think vaginal intercourse isn't even that great. 



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There are lots of ways to have heterosexual sex (i.e., as a man with a woman, or as a woman with a man) while keeping the possibility of pregnancy at just about 0%. There is more to sex than just vaginal intercourse. In fact, I think vaginal intercourse isn't even that great.


As I most likely was and likely was the previous poster which spawned my comment you're replying to, you are preaching to the choir.

Well except for that last part. Maybe you just aren't good at it. ;-)

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I think it would be cool if kids were an optional epilogue or you could adopt a kid/teenager that you rescue toward the end of the game or something.


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As I most likely was and likely was the previous poster which spawned my comment you're replying to, you are preaching to the choir.

Well except for that last part. Maybe you just aren't good at it. ;-)

 

Very funny. You know, it's totally possible just not to be a fan of certain types of sex. :P 

 

I think it would be cool if kids were an optional epilogue or you could adopt a kid/teenager that you rescue toward the end of the game or something.

 

As long as the player has a choice, I'm all for it.



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Space condoms... oh wait wrong franchise.



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Demon of Baby maker a new monster/romance option?



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As long as the player has a choice, I'm all for it.

I'm another one of those sad sots who has no interest in experiencing the "joys" of parenthood IRL. :P

However, some of the characters I've roleplayed in Thedas would be interested. It would have to be optional, and I'm not confident that it's important enough of an option to warrant the time and effort it would take to introduce children to the plot.
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It's only worth it when children become a gameplay element like Fire Emblem or Harvest Moon for example. In BG 2 the baby took up an inventory spot that could have been put to much better use.

 

Just a moment... You could have a baby in Baldur's Gate 2? :blink:  (Haven't played that game.)