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[megabeast37215]

I don't like most of the "infinite" ammo guns v Collectors because the HP pools are very high on some of the possessed units.  CSMG X will do in the neighborhood of 11000 armor damage before it is out of ammo, unless getting into headshot bonus.  This isn't too difficult against Scions in a reasonable range, and may or may not be possible against Praetorians depending on if their bubble is forced.
 
Anyway, Possessed Praetorians have 15750 barrier and 34920 armor on Gold.  Possessed Scions are 2530 / 25312.5

If someone is not headshotting with the CSMG.. then that person is doing it wrong.

[DimeBagHo]

I can kinda sympathise with the OP. If you have low cds you can keep up a nearly continuous barrage of gunfire and powers, but if you can't use powers because of bubbles or bees then the CSMG burns through ammo very fast and you spend a lot more time waiting for it to cool down. Under those conditions the Lancer will dish out a lot more damage.

[TheNightSlasher]

I can kinda sympathise with the OP.

Please don't.

[HoochieHamiltoe]

LOL @ CSMG being terrible.

 

And, Nuke is right, it's my boo!

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

I can kinda sympathise with the OP.

 
Please don't.

[Pheabus2009]

For Collector weapons, both CSR and CSMG are awesome, the CAR does suck a bit, but it has its moments too( maybe I just prefer the ME2 CAR too much tho).

 

The CSMG does have small mag, but it's not really for soldier builds, you'd better be a power caster to use this gun, it reloads itself during power use so u can fire (almost) continuously.

 

As for OP's problem, I think it's not about the gun itself

[Sket]

I can kinda sympathise with the OP.

 Please don't.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

As for OP's problem, I think it's not about the gun itself

Agreed. What we have here is a classic PEBCAC.

[DimeBagHo]

Please don't.

 

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course he's wrong about the CSMG being "terrible" but if you can't use powers it does go from excellent to pretty average.

[Pee Jae]

Most people, okay most new people, don't know how to use the CSMG or CSR. You can't use it like the PPR or Lancer. You have to pretend it's a Mattock. Taptaptaptaptap it.

 

Srs ansr is srs. 

[TheNightSlasher]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course he's wrong about the CSMG being "terrible" but if you can't use powers it does go from excellent to pretty average.

I am not referring to the topic. I didn't even bother to read tbh.

 

I was being generic. Don't sympathize with the OP. He doesn't deserve it, based on his garbage style of posting. 

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

[Creator Limbs]

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course he's wrong about the CSMG being "terrible" but if you can't use powers it does go from excellent to pretty average.

Except for this one. The numbers are all wrong.

[capn233]

If someone is not headshotting with the CSMG.. then that person is doing it wrong.

 

Talking about armor here genius.  The nice 2x headshot bonus on a Praetorian is not something you are guaranteed, especially in a team game since most CSMG setups don't have the penetration for it when the bubble is up.

[DimeBagHo]

 

Most people, okay most new people, don't know how to use the CSMG or CSR. You can't use it like the PPR or Lancer. You have to pretend it's a Mattock. Taptaptaptaptap it.

 

Srs ansr is srs. 

 

The CSR is really a different story. Burst damage is very good and, as long as you don't let ammo hit 0, sustained DPS is decent. With the CSMG burst damage is nothing special and sustained DPS is on the low side, What makes the CSMG really good is that the reload mechanic allows you to cast-shoot-cast almost continuously. In that specific role the CSMG becomes competitive with the Hurricane in damage output, and arguably better when you take account of qualitative issues like recoil and not having to run for ammo.

[megabeast37215]

Talking about armor here genius.  The nice 2x headshot bonus on a Praetorian is not something you are guaranteed, especially in a team game since most CSMG setups don't have the penetration for it when the bubble is up.

Speak for yourself Iceman!

[capn233]

 

What makes the CSMG really good is that the reload mechanic allows you to cast-shoot-cast almost continuously. In that specific role the CSMG becomes competitive with the Hurricane in damage output, and arguably better when you take account of qualitative issues like recoil and not having to run for ammo.

 

 

And that is partly why CSMG suffers the most against Collectors.

 

You have exactly 4 targets with armor, the standard and possessed versions of Scions and Praetorians.  Scions have 1.4x HS multiplier, Praetorians have 2x.  Even vanilla Scions have more HP than you can apply in a single extended mag CSMG X with HCB V and APIV an 50% additive weapon damage bonus (being generous here) with 100% headshots.  That is the best armor DPS setup for CSMG (for nonbiotics anyway)... you can attempt Incendiary Glitching if you prefer, and is probably what more people are going to run, but that will drop your penetration distance and you need IA and powers to make up 3000 dmg.  At least with Scions you get to send powers their way and make up damage, but against the Praetorian the typical caster is basically SOL since casting will cause them to bubble.  CSMG is definitely in the "anemic dps" range against very high HP targets like the Praetorian.  Headshots here don't make up ground against any of the reloadable hitscan weapons since they can also get 2x damage.

 

For fun someone should try the CSMG vs the Eagle against Collectors.

[q5tyhj]

 

 

This sums up this thread perfectly.

[megabeast37215]

And that is partly why CSMG suffers the most against Collectors.
 
You have exactly 4 targets with armor, the standard and possessed versions of Scions and Praetorians.  Scions have 1.4x HS multiplier, Praetorians have 2x.  Even vanilla Scions have more HP than you can apply in a single extended mag CSMG X with HCB V and APIV an 50% additive weapon damage bonus (being generous here) with 100% headshots.  That is the best armor DPS setup for CSMG (for nonbiotics anyway)... you can attempt Incendiary Glitching if you prefer, and is probably what more people are going to run, but that will drop your penetration distance and you need IA and powers to make up 3000 dmg.  At least with Scions you get to send powers their way and make up damage, but against the Praetorian the typical caster is basically SOL since casting will cause them to bubble.  CSMG is definitely in the "anemic dps" range against very high HP targets like the Praetorian.  Headshots here don't make up ground against any of the reloadable hitscan weapons since they can also get 2x damage.
 
For fun someone should try the CSMG vs the Eagle against Collectors.

Single clip DPS with CSMG is misleading.. bc you're spamming powers and regenerating ammo during the casts.

[capn233]

Single clip DPS with CSMG is misleading.. bc you're spamming powers and regenerating ammo during the casts.

 

Not sure what you mean here since I didn't talk about single clip DPS for CSMG... I talked about single clip total damage and then mentioned that you go into low DPS mode against high HP targets as you waste time regenerating.  Power spam does not help you negate recharge time against the Praetorian since power spam activates the Praetorian bubble and makes your casting completely useless except for Reave.  OP was talking QFE and all of her powers will activate the bubble and do nothing once it is up.

 

CSMG is really best against mid-hp armored units, and there aren't any of those in the Collector faction.  You can stretch it with powers against a Scion, but there are a variety of weapons that are better against this faction on a caster.

[megabeast37215]

Not everyone is dumb enough to proc the crab bubble. The wasted time you're referring to is usually one cast cooldown.. not exactly a long period of time.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

For Collector weapons, both CSR and CSMG are awesome, the CAR does suck a bit, but it has its moments too( maybe I just prefer the ME2 CAR too much tho).

 

The CSMG does have small mag, but it's not really for soldier builds, you'd better be a power caster to use this gun, it reloads itself during power use so u can fire (almost) continuously.

 

As for OP's problem, I think it's not about the gun itself

 

I'd say the only soldier I could see myself using it on is the destroyer only cause of the mag increase. I use the CSMG on most of my casters too, and the most recent caster I took it on was the Vorcha engy. It does real well on him.

[megabeast37215]

It's pretty awesome on the GE.. he's basically a soldier.

[ALTBOULI]

LOL @ CSMG being terrible.
 
And, Nuke is right, it's my boo!

The lancer is better than the Csmg