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Which Antagonist was Bioware's best? (Games Played Question and Awakening options added... Also, Catalyst)

Débuté par Heimdall , juin 23 2014 10:59

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Sondage : Which antagonist was best? (579 membre(s) ont voté)

Pick One

  1. Sarevok (Baldur's Gate) (5 vote(s) [0.86%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.86%

  2. A voté Irenicus (Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn) (62 vote(s) [10.71%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 10.71%

  3. Mellisan (Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal) (2 vote(s) [0.35%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.35%

  4. Maugrim (Neverwinter Nights) (2 vote(s) [0.35%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.35%

  5. A voté Malak (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic) (25 vote(s) [4.32%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.32%

  6. A voté Sun Li (Jade Empire) (116 vote(s) [20.03%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 20.03%

  7. A voté Saren (Mass Effect) (76 vote(s) [13.13%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 13.13%

  8. Harbinger (Mass Effect 2) (26 vote(s) [4.49%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.49%

  9. A voté Loghain (Dragon Age: Origins) (100 vote(s) [17.27%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 17.27%

  10. Meredith (?) (Dragon Age 2) (8 vote(s) [1.38%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 1.38%

  11. A voté The Illusive Man (Mass Effect 3) (66 vote(s) [11.40%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.40%

  12. The Arishok (Dragon Age 2) (33 vote(s) [5.70%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 5.70%

  13. A voté Sovereign (Mass Effect) (47 vote(s) [8.12%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 8.12%

  14. The Mother (Dragon Age: Awakening) (7 vote(s) [1.21%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 1.21%

  15. The Catalyst (Mass Effect 3) (4 vote(s) [0.69%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.69%

What Bioware games have you played?

  1. A voté Baldur's Gate (190 vote(s) [4.92%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.92%

  2. A voté Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (176 vote(s) [4.56%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.56%

  3. A voté Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (156 vote(s) [4.04%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.04%

  4. A voté Neverwinter Nights (183 vote(s) [4.74%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.74%

  5. A voté Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (329 vote(s) [8.53%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 8.53%

  6. A voté Jade Empire (229 vote(s) [5.94%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 5.94%

  7. A voté Mass Effect (440 vote(s) [11.40%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.40%

  8. A voté Mass Effect 2 (442 vote(s) [11.46%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.46%

  9. A voté Mass Effect 3 (432 vote(s) [11.20%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.20%

  10. A voté Dragon Age: Origins (443 vote(s) [11.48%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.48%

  11. A voté Dragon Age 2 (434 vote(s) [11.25%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.25%

  12. A voté Dragon Age: Awakening (404 vote(s) [10.47%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 10.47%

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#1
Heimdall
Posté 23 juin 2014 - 10:59

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Bare in mind, I've never played a pre-KOTOR Bioware game so those options may be off (Assuming my poll doesn't vanish on me like last time).

Now, for me, a great antagonist is a personal one. Distant threats aren't nearly as interesting as those connected to the protagonist personally, and they should interact with the protagonist from an early point to cement that. They should be intelligent, ruthless, yet not entirely unsentimental and very self aware. (You can probably guess my feelings about some of Bioware's recent efforts)

For that reason, I give my vote to Sun Li, the Glorious Strategist.

What do you think?

EDIT: I've added the Arishok and Sovereign to the poll.

EDIT 2: I've added a new question asking what games you've played, since I noticed a lot of people are voting from the experience of only a few games.

 

EDIT 3:  And now I've added the Catalyst... because someone asked <_<  *ME3 ending grumbling*


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:01

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Probably one of the few people that actually liked crazy Meredith. Li takes the cake though


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:03

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Master Li obviously. 


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:03

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Probably one of the few people that actually liked crazy Meredith. Li takes the cake though


Your abilities have grown immensely. But it also does my heart good to see that you have remembered the basics of what I taught you...
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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:05

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Your abilities have grown immensely. But it also does my heart good to see that you have remembered the basics of what I taught you...

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I also liked pre-mass effect 3 illusive man tbh. The execution was great on that one.,


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:05

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Irenicus by a long long mile followed by Ruck.


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:06

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Sun Li the Glorious Strategist!


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:06

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As much as I loved hating the Illusive Man and his never ending supply of candy cigarettes. I went wit' Harby (Harbinger); because he's always IFC (In f-in'/full control)!
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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:09

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Loghain for the fact that he isn't such a villian, just lived long enough to "become" one, in a sense.  


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:14

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It was between Loghain and Sun Li. I went with Loghain because from certain points of view his actions are justifiable making him a more complex character. While Sun Li is memorable and glorious and a strategist after he's revealed as the antagonist he pretty much becomes your average one-note wannabe benevolent dictator (these could be just as complex depending on how much walk they back their talk up with).   


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:16

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Your abilities have grown immensely. But it also does my heart good to see that you have remembered the basics of what I taught you...

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So, so perfect! That moment... Then the reveal that you were his pawn the entire time and the eventual final one on one duel between master and student!
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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:20

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If this poll took place 10 years ago I'd totally vote for Malak, if TSL were a Bioware game I'd vote for Kreia. Loghain gets my vote -- rather than being a mustache-twirling villain ala Malak he deludes himself into genuinely believing he's doing the right thing, still doesn't stop him from being a major jerk. 


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:22

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Sun Li because I totally didn't see it coming and felt sucker punched when it happened.


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:22

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It was between Loghain and Sun Li. I went with Loghain because from certain points of view his actions are justifiable making him a more complex character. While Sun Li is memorable and glorious and a strategist after he's revealed as the antagonist he pretty much becomes your average one-note wannabe benevolent dictator (these could be just as complex depending on how much walk they back their talk up with).

For me though, I couldn't pick Loghain because Bioware utterly failed for most of the game in making him come off as anything but irrational and his actions little more than a power grab. I didn't feel a whole lot when I killed him, perhaps a tinge of regret that things hadn't turned out different. When I killed Sun Li....

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And he smiled, proud. The feels, man! Like I said, the personal connection, that's everything.


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:23

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I had to vote Sun Li.

 

When I first played the game his betrayal was a complete surprise and I enjoyed that. The other antagonists listed were easy to detect.

 

That said, Irenicus gets a close second because he made his attacks very personal and for most of the game I felt powerless around him, in a good way (versus the Kai Lame way).


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:30

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I picked Saren, because all of Mass 1 he's talking about melding organic and synthetic into one, becoming more than we ever were before, but he gets put down one way or another.

 

Two games later, five years later, if you try your best at rallying troops against the Reapers(the very beings that he got swept up in) you're offered the chance at a symbiosis type of ending to the war, not Control, not Destroy, but Synthesis.

 

And if Synthesis is chosen, Saren was right all along. If Synthesis is chosen, Saren wins.

 

And the idea of that is cool as hell to me, even if the delivery was bloody horrid and *insert every argument against Mass 3 and the fall of the franchise here*


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:31

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My favourite was Sun Li. Usually Irenicus gets a lot of love in these polls, but I was never a fan. 


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:40

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Damn, all these great Jade Empire quotes....is it bad if it's making me want to pull off another play through? 


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:40

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That Sun Li option is the mother of all spoilers. But I guess the game is rather old so ... whatever.

He gets my vote too.


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:42

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Damn, all these great Jade Empire quotes....is it bad if it's making me want to pull off another play through? 

Jade Empire playthroughs are never a bad thing :D


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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:42

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It'd be between Sun Li and Irenicus for me but I had to give it to Irenicus cause well, being voiced by David Warner for starters and he's one of the main "I hold all antagonists up to this standard" sorts of things.

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Posté 23 juin 2014 - 11:51

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Yep, it has to be the most glorious of strategists. They say this cat Sun Li is a bad mother--


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:04

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Damn, all these great Jade Empire quotes....is it bad if it's making me want to pull off another play through? 

 

I'm totally going for another playthrough now. 


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:04

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I'd like to point out that Dragon Age Origins came out before Mass Effect 2. Obviously, you tried to list each game in order of release date.

 

Also, you forgot Neverwinter Nights 2, and Black Garius (I had to look that up).


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:06

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I'd like to point out that Dragon Age Origins came out before Mass Effect 2. Obviously, you tried to list each game in order of release date.
 
Also, you forgot Neverwinter Nights 2, and Black Garius (I had to look that up).


NWN2 was made by Obsidian.
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