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Which Antagonist was Bioware's best? (Games Played Question and Awakening options added... Also, Catalyst)

Débuté par Heimdall , juin 23 2014 10:59

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Sondage : Which antagonist was best? (579 membre(s) ont voté)

Pick One

  1. Sarevok (Baldur's Gate) (5 vote(s) [0.86%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.86%

  2. A voté Irenicus (Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn) (62 vote(s) [10.71%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 10.71%

  3. Mellisan (Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal) (2 vote(s) [0.35%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.35%

  4. Maugrim (Neverwinter Nights) (2 vote(s) [0.35%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.35%

  5. A voté Malak (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic) (25 vote(s) [4.32%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.32%

  6. A voté Sun Li (Jade Empire) (116 vote(s) [20.03%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 20.03%

  7. A voté Saren (Mass Effect) (76 vote(s) [13.13%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 13.13%

  8. Harbinger (Mass Effect 2) (26 vote(s) [4.49%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.49%

  9. A voté Loghain (Dragon Age: Origins) (100 vote(s) [17.27%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 17.27%

  10. Meredith (?) (Dragon Age 2) (8 vote(s) [1.38%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 1.38%

  11. A voté The Illusive Man (Mass Effect 3) (66 vote(s) [11.40%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.40%

  12. The Arishok (Dragon Age 2) (33 vote(s) [5.70%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 5.70%

  13. A voté Sovereign (Mass Effect) (47 vote(s) [8.12%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 8.12%

  14. The Mother (Dragon Age: Awakening) (7 vote(s) [1.21%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 1.21%

  15. The Catalyst (Mass Effect 3) (4 vote(s) [0.69%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 0.69%

What Bioware games have you played?

  1. A voté Baldur's Gate (190 vote(s) [4.92%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.92%

  2. A voté Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn (176 vote(s) [4.56%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.56%

  3. A voté Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal (156 vote(s) [4.04%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.04%

  4. A voté Neverwinter Nights (183 vote(s) [4.74%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 4.74%

  5. A voté Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (329 vote(s) [8.53%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 8.53%

  6. A voté Jade Empire (229 vote(s) [5.94%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 5.94%

  7. A voté Mass Effect (440 vote(s) [11.40%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.40%

  8. A voté Mass Effect 2 (442 vote(s) [11.46%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.46%

  9. A voté Mass Effect 3 (432 vote(s) [11.20%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.20%

  10. A voté Dragon Age: Origins (443 vote(s) [11.48%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.48%

  11. A voté Dragon Age 2 (434 vote(s) [11.25%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 11.25%

  12. A voté Dragon Age: Awakening (404 vote(s) [10.47%] - Voir)

    Pourcentage des votes : 10.47%

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#51
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 07:10

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I love that question mark besides Meredith. I think if she was to be replaced by human stupidity, DA2 might get some votes.


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#52
Orian Tabris
Posté 24 juin 2014 - 08:49

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I thought it's a scientific fact that NWN's antagonist is the best!

 

Well, it turns out you were wrong. Wrong like Donkey Bong.


#53
Heimdall
Posté 24 juin 2014 - 09:55

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I love that question mark besides Meredith. I think if she was to be replaced by human stupidity, DA2 might get some votes.

I honestly had no idea what to put for DA2. Eventually I just put her because she was the final boss.

If I made it "Arishock", I imagine DA2 would get more votes.

#54
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 10:16

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Li from Jade Empire (probably BioWare's most underrated game in general).


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#55
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 11:48

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I honestly think Bioware's antagonists have been pretty weak since Li. Saren? Not bad, but he hardly interacted with Shepard at all until the very end. I honestly didn't feel like I knew him at all. He didn't have time to get me invested. Loghain? As I said, he could have been good, but Bioware failed to make him come across as anything but irrational and his actions anything more than a power grab until very late in the game, too late. Harbinger? ....No comment. As for Dragonn Age 2... It didn't really have a primary antagonist in the traditional sense. The Illusive Man was set up with potential to be an interesting grey character, but really, Mass Effect 3 just... ruined him.

#56
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:35

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No Sovereign? I consider him/it a masterful villain over Saren in ME1. Your conversation on Virmire shook the foundations of how you understood the galaxy to work.

#57
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 12:36

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I honestly had no idea what to put for DA2. Eventually I just put her because she was the final boss.
If I made it "Arishock", I imagine DA2 would get more votes.


Agreed. The Arishok was ten times the antagonist that Meredith was.
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#58
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:14

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I voted Sun Li. I played Jade Empire for the first time 1-2 years ago and liked it a lot. The Glorious Strategist was definitely one of the more interesting antagonists I've encountered in Bioware games. He has a clear goal, understandable motives for it and a rather flawless plan to achieve it. He also has a well established personal connection to the player character, which raises the emotional stakes. Well done, Bioware!

 

Now where's this Jade Empire sequel...?!  ^_^


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#59
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:24

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Out of the games I've played, and for the sake of the poll, I say Loghain. 

 

However, I feel Tela Vasir, for the short amount of time she was in LotSB, was pretty much a perfect antagonist.


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#60
Heimdall
Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:43

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I voted Sun Li. I played Jade Empire for the first time 1-2 years ago and liked it a lot. The Glorious Strategist was definitely one of the more interesting antagonists I've encountered in Bioware games. He has a clear goal, understandable motives for it and a rather flawless plan to achieve it. He also has a well established personal connection to the player character, which raises the emotional stakes. Well done, Bioware!

 

Now where's this Jade Empire sequel...?!  ^_^

Honest to god, its Bioware's most underrated game.  Apparently there was a move for a sequel, but they discontinued it because the story ideas were incoherent or something.


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#61
Heimdall
Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:44

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I decided to add the Arishok and Sovereign to the poll, because they deserve it.


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:46

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I decided to add the Arishok and Sovereign to the poll, because they deserve it.


Alright! My Internet campaign worked! Huzzah! :D

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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 01:51

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I liked Saren, but he seemed more like Anderson's antagonist than Shepard's (especially if you read the book leading up to ME's release). It felt like I was taking out Anderson's trash. ME's antagonists were the Rachni Queen/Benezia, the Thorian, and Sovereign. Saren was just a really badass bounty.


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 02:05

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Alright! My Internet campaign worked! Huzzah! :D

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#65
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 02:51

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I still have not played jade empire so I can't comment on that one but jon Irenicus easily blows all the others out of the water in my opinion.


#66
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:01

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I voted for Loghain, but this is due to having skipped some other possibilities that have remained un-played as of yet.

#67
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:04

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I'm really regretting not picking up Jade Empire. 

 

This Sun Li character seems like a badass. 


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#68
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 04:10

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I'm really regretting not picking up Jade Empire. 

 

This Sun Li character seems like a badass. 

 

You should definitely give it a whirl.  It's pretty easy to find for cheap on the XBOX at used game stores and pawn shops, and it goes on sale fairly regularly on Steam, I believe (currently 50% off, $7.50). 


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 05:05

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You should definitely give it a whirl.  It's pretty easy to find for cheap on the XBOX at used game stores and pawn shops, and it goes on sale fairly regularly on Steam, I believe (currently 50% off, $7.50).


Although, to be fair... knowing that Li is the antsgonist takes a bit of thrill out of his awesomeness.
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#70
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 05:16

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For some reason, I never trusted Sun Li from the very beginning, but I didn't expect him to be the antagonist.

 

And that twist about Death's Hand... Did not expect that, either.


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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 06:06

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For some reason, I never trusted Sun Li from the very beginning, but I didn't expect him to be the antagonist.

 

And that twist about Death's Hand... Did not expect that, either.

For me, it was a real treat to play through the second time and notice all the little hints I hadn't noticed the first time.


#72
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 06:13

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Meredith. Only because I like her voice and she's a good looking character>Harbinger>Loghain>Sovereign>TIM>Saren>Malak. The other ones I don't know about.


#73
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 06:23

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Tough choice between Loghain and Sarevok for me.
 
Sarevok doesn't have the same level of interaction as Loghain and you don't even meet him until the end but it's everything you learn about him over the course of the game that, for me, makes him one of Bioware's best villains. He's the opposite of you (or he could even be on the same path as you if you're role-playing an evil character) cursed with the same fate. His quest to achieve domination is memorable for me as he sets up a company to gain political influence in Baldur's Gate and for me, bringing down this establishment and then fighting him at the end is very satisfactory.
 
Then he pops up in the sequel as a companion leading to further character development.
 
I'm not saying Sarevok is Bioware's best villain but he's my favorite. Loghain follows but he's arguably ambiguous as a villain. I see him more as neutral and a deluded patriot with the belief that he could save Fereldan by himself, the beauty here is that he can redeem himself in the end just like Sarevok.
 
And SCREW YOU Orian Tabris, Maugrim was ****** wicked.

 

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I love how you can encounter him Hordes of the Underdark in the hell of Cania too and get the chance to kill him all over again.


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Heimdall
Posté 24 juin 2014 - 06:39

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Tough choice between Loghain and Sarevok for me.
 
Sarevok doesn't have the same level of interaction as Loghain and you don't even meet him until the end but it's everything you learn about him over the course of the game that, for me, makes him one of Bioware's best villains. He's the opposite of you (or he could even be on the same path as you if you're role-playing an evil character) cursed with the same fate. His quest to achieve domination is memorable for me as he sets up a company to gain political influence in Baldur's Gate and for me, bringing down this establishment and then fighting him at the end is very satisfactory.
 
Then he pops up in the sequel as a companion leading to further character development.

It strikes me that this is what Bioware was trying to do with Saren...  Just not very well.


#75
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Posté 24 juin 2014 - 08:21

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Changed vote to Sovereign :)


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