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[Lucy Glitter]

Master Li obviously.

I haaaaaaaated him. I felt like I got stabbed in the belly when I found out. So much vitriol.

[FeudalPoleCat00]

Sovereign. I think he set the stage great for what was to come. Loghain and Illusive Man never really got it going as bad guys, as there was always a greater threat hanging over head.

[Heimdall]

Sovereign. I think he set the stage great for what was to come. Loghain and Illusive Man never really got it going as bad guys, as there was always a greater threat hanging over head.

If only the follow up had lived up to that stage...

[L. Han]

It wouldn't be fair for me to vote, as I've only played 2/3 of the games listed here, so I'll put my nitty opinion here.

 

I personally think Sovereign (ME2) is probably the more unique antagonists in any BioWare game. He/it also does not really fall within the BioWare tropes. TIM, Loghain, Saren share a thing or two in common, being twisted and obsessed with preserving something while Sovereign is just a higher being and really does not see you as a threat (even the gameplay reinforces this point, you fight his minions, not the antagonist or his buddies directly).

 

However, in terms of delivery and acting, I really think Loghain was really well done. (Spoiler) when you face him off at the Landsmeet, I was actually quite troubled about executing him.

[FeudalPoleCat00]

If only the follow up had lived up to that stage...

If you're talking about Harbinger then I'd have to agree. 

[Heimdall]

If you're talking about Harbinger then I'd have to agree. 

Harbinger never actually has a conversation with Shepard, he just talks (odd) smack at Shepard during fights and proverbially shakes his fist at the end.  Bleh.

 

I like ME2 for a lot of things, but Harbinger and the Collectors (Band name?) were terrible.

[FeudalPoleCat00]

Harbinger never actually has a conversation with Shepard, he just talks (odd) smack at Shepard during fights and proverbially shakes his fist at the end.  Bleh.

 

I like ME2 for a lot of things, but Harbinger and the Collectors (Band name?) were terrible.

Doesn't he talk to him in one of the DLC?

 

And agreed the Collectors where a pretty bad throwaway baddy. Especially bad when you find out what they are.

[Han Shot First]

Who troll voted for the Catalyst? 

 

[Vortex13]

Who troll voted for the Catalyst? 

 

 

 

Maybe someone got confused and thought they were voting for the most "successful" Antagonist?

 

Successful in the sense that they win/can't be defeated/someone that the protagonist has to agree with. 

[Heimdall]

Who troll voted for the Catalyst? 

 

 Seival asked me to add the option so he could vote   

[Han Shot First]

 Seival asked me to add the option so he could vote   

 

Has he played no other Bioware games?

[Heimdall]

Has he played no other Bioware games?

Scanning the voters of my games-played question, yup. 

Check out his argument on the previous page.

[TheBlackBaron]

If the purpose of an antagonist is to inspire hatred by the player, I'm not sure any of them succeeded quite so spectacularly as the Catalyst. 

[The Hierophant]

Expectation should definitely be up there.

Evil b@st@rd.

[Heimdall]

If the purpose of an antagonist is to inspire hatred by the player, I'm not sure any of them succeeded quite so spectacularly as the Catalyst. 

True 

 

But you're supposed to hate an antagonist because they're dastardly, or because they're just very good at what they do in opposing you. 

 

Not because you think they're stupid, illogical and/or frustrating. 

[Seival]

Has he played no other Bioware games?

I didn't play Star Wars, Jade Empire, and the first BG. But I played the rest of the games from the vote list.

[merikano]

LOL

 

I liked Harbinger best...

 

To be fair I never played NWN but what I liked about Harbinger was that it took such a personal interest in you. It's one thing to have everyone in the galaxy saying how important you are, it's quite another when you have the head Reaper calling you out.

 

If Saren had more interaction in ME1 then I would've picked him but as it was Shepard met him twice total. Harbinger was there the whole time, even in the Arrival DLC. It helped make ME2 feel that much more personal.

[UnknownIntrigue]

I have to say in my opinion The Illusive Man and The Arishok are the best. They have the Charisma, They have the determination, They have the devotion to their cause, they are smart. Something of a complete character. AND they both have great reasoning and prove to be impossible opponents in logical conversations.

[ladyofpayne]

Sarevok (Baldur's Gate)

He was clever, he was storng and I respected him.

[savitar17]

i say sun li because even though you could see it coming a mile away his betrayal was interesting when you realize the lengths he went through to achieve what he wanted

[Heimdall]

i say sun li because even though you could see it coming a mile away his betrayal was interesting when you realize the lengths he went through to achieve what he wanted

Well I didn't see it coming.  Then again, I was younger and more naive back then.

[Humakt83]

I voted The Illusive Man for his spectacular performance at the end of Mass Effect 3. That standoff between TIM, Shepard and Anderson is one of my favourite moments in the whole trilogy. That he was revealed to be a Reaper puppet at the end made me feel a bit sorry for him, but it made the real antagonists in the background that much more ominous.

I was almost tempted to vote for The Catalyst aka Child as subtitles call it. The most devious villain I've ever seen, whose circular logic and lines full of double meanings have duped and angered so many players it is almost unbelievable,

I saw Sun Li's betrayal coming since the beginning of the game especially because some people had spoiled that there is a major twist coming, sigh, so he didn't really impress me. And his voice actor played a villain in DA:O which I played before JE so that was another hint. Jade Empire was a good game though despite clunky combat.

Worst villain in this poll is Melissan, you can saw her betrayal coming the very instant you meet her and her voice acting makes my ears bleed. I did like the final battle against her though.

I've played all games in that list besides KotOR because I hardly could care less about Star Wars. I never completed NWN though, that game disappointed me so badly after the excellent BG 2.

Why there are no DLC antagonists in the poll? Some of them were pretty good.

[n0na90]

I voted for Sovereign, I felt he was very intimidating and mysterious in ME 1. I like many of the Bioware villians, though I felt some of them didn't reach their potential (Loghain, The Illusive Man).

 

This poll got me thinking, I'm looking forward to facing some new nemesis in Inquisition, hope they really get it right.

[Elhanan]

I voted for Sovereign, I felt he was very intimidating and mysterious in ME 1. I like many of the Bioware villians, though I felt some of them didn't reach their potential (Loghain, The Illusive Man).
 
This poll got me thinking, I'm looking forward to facing some new nemesis in Inquisition, hope they really get it right.

General question: Did you ever save Loghain at the Landsmeet once to see more of his backstory? It does add more depth to his character (though I usually still see him dead by end game).