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You point is that suicidal thought are like weights put on a persons back and it can come to a time that a straw of hay on the top is all that need to break the persons back. But what you're missing here is that Cole does not add or take away from the weight. He did nothing to convince the girl in the tower she need to die. She allowed him to kill her.
If he added nothing to that weight, why is he at fault if they want to die?
That depends on who you're asking though I just mean by the definition that they give for Spirits and Demons in Thedas that's it. Since I know everyone is going to have different opinions on it and I don't want to start a heated debate with it so I'm just wondering if it says flat out which one Cole is or if it's kept more in the shadows to let people come to their own conclusions.
You seen how Justice acts in da:a and DA2. The demons and spirits being different faces of the same coin is a fact. All past concept of the fade by the circle are assumption by people who could not look deeper due to chantry law. Everything we knew about spirits were already dashed away when we talked to Justice in DA:A.
At this point demons and spirits are just baseless labels.
justice would like to have a word with you
Okay Justice I'm listening what is it you wanted to say?
It doesn't say flat-out, and indeed one of the points of Cole's character in Asunder was to make Rhys question just how much we know about the Fade, including our ideas about demons vs. spirits. It's left unsaid on purpose, I think. The closest we can come to identification is that a spell that is supposed to only work against blood magic and demons worked against Cole, and he isn't a blood mage. But it's also unclear whether it would have worked on a spirit, too, I think.
So kept in the shadows about it on purpose then? Okay guess I'll reach my own conclusion when I meet him. Thank you.
As Patrick says in the interview, he is somewhere on that spectrum. But no, there is no concrete Word of God that says he is a Demon or a Spirit.
Alright that's what I was mostly curious on thank you.
So giving a suicidal child a gun isn't adding some weight to those thoughts. More accurately, offering to do the deed for the child isn't applying pressure? I think it is.
Except Cole is not give the child a gun. You keep using point like this when your missing the point that Cole is not doing anything to make the person want to die more or to draw them want to end their lives.
Heck, he does not even offer.
Isn´t this (book)character supposed to be some kind spirit, where did that body come from?
It's not like HE stalked his "victims" and killed them. HE was drawn to her specifically, because of the feelings/emotions she was projecting. HE was always drawn to the people HE killed for the same reason. HE didn't kill Pharamond who begged to be killed. HE refused because HE promised Rhys HE wouldn't kill anymore.
It does stalk its victims. Stalking is the act of sorting out, tracking, and observing a suitable target. It does this. That it feels bad now that its only friend disapproves, and for that disapproval alone makes no difference. It is a predator.
Alright that's what I was mostly curious on thank you.
You're welcome. Glad I could help. 
Because he takes an active hand in it.
That does not mean he is the source of the suicidal tenancy or the final push that get them to want to die. That's the point you are missing here. Being part of it is no consequence.
You seen how Justice acts in da:a and DA2. The demons and spirits being different faces of the same coin is a fact. All past concept of the fade by the circle are assumption by people who could not look deeper due to chantry law. Everything we knew about spirits were already dashed away when we talked to Justice in DA:A.
At this point demons and spirits are just baseless labels.
I'm not trying to start and argument I was just wondering about if they say if Cole was one or the other and that has been answered for me already. I never said they were different or the same or anything like that and I have said on other threads that Justice makes me feel uneasy and during DAA I was expecting him to turn on me but this is a Cole thread not a Justice one, I had a question about Cole and it was answered. I'm sorry if you thought I was trying to start a debate or argument that was not my intent.
Isn´t this (book)character supposed to be some kind spirit, where did that body come from?
Spirits and demons can make themselves corporeal, but possession is easier.
Isn´t this (book)character supposed to be some kind spirit, where did that body come from?
Replay dragon age: origin and DA2. Spirit and demons can make their own bodies outside of the fade if they are power full enough.
It does stalk its victims. Stalking is the act of sorting out, tracking, and observing a suitable target. It does this. That it feels bad now that its only friend disapproves, and for that disapproval alone makes no difference. It is a predator.
And it make no difference that the people he killed wanted to die?
Okay Justice I'm listening what is it you wanted to say?
"I am no demon! Are you one of them that you should call me such?!"
I'd argue that Cole granted that Mage girl a better end than she granted her family.
I'd take being stabbed in the heart over being burned alive any day.
True enough. That she had an easier death than maybe she deserved is very possible. But we don't know exactly what the circumstances that drove her to commit that act of gruesome murder. Maybe her father beat her and her mother encouraged him to do so. Maybe she was just an evil brat. The fact is, Cole didn't know about it at all until well after it had made up itsmind to kill her.
And it make no difference that the people he killed wanted to die?
Again. No it doesn't. I think you mistake wanting to die with willing to die.
"I am no demon! Are you one of them that you should call me such?!"
Justice I think you need to put on your reading glasses dear I never said you were one, I only said I didn't trust you, but not in the post that was quoted. Also inside voice please 
Again. No it doesn't. I think you mistake wanting to die with willing to die.
Yes it does. Wanting to die and willing to die makes no difference if you allow you're self to die. It it has the same end, the means make no difference in this case. The difference is why they allowed themselves to die. But in the end, they still allowed themselves to die of their own will.
Isn´t this (book)character supposed to be some kind spirit, where did that body come from?
Likely infected a corpse.
Likely infected a corpse.
How many times do people have to say his a spirit that made his own body. This is not a possessed body.
Yes it does. Wanting to die and willing to die makes no difference if you allow you're self to die. It it has the same end, the means make no difference in this case. The difference is why they allowed themselves to die. But in the end, they still allowed themselves to die of their own will.
The correct though more longwinded solution would be to figure out why someone wants to die and fix that. If it can't be fixed, then perhaps you have more of a case. This could be the growth that Patrick was talking about.
Being willing to die is the notion that dying is a suitable alternative to not dying given the alternative. Wanting to die is simply that. The want to no longer carry on living consequence be damned. The girl only saw more torment and pain in her future. Had she not, she would have instead been willing to live, obviously. Cole showed up before she was mature enough to make the distinction.
The correct though more longwinded solution would be to figure out why someone wants to die and fix that. If it can't be fixed, then perhaps you have more of a case. This could be the growth that Patrick was talking about.
And that is based on the morals and understanding of the character. Remember, he does stop because he learns It's can be seen as morally wrong. He even help a girl come out from despair in the book. In the interview Weeks states...
"Beyond his skill in combat, though… Cole wants to help people who are hurting. He may not always get it right, but he never stops caring. He will walk into the most painful moment of someone's life and offer them comfort without hesitation or judgment. And then he will disappear from their mind and walk away, because it's not about getting thanked, or even remembered. It's about helping."
So Cole is already changing to that direction.
I wonder how people who have read Asunder and yet want to roleplay their characters will rationalize allowing Cole in the party or not. The Inquisitor won't know him, nor his past deeds, both good ar bad, unless Cole tells them right away (hey, if Iron Bull could...).
Cole reminds me of her, except she does not kill people.
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