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#251
AkiKishi

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I wonder how people who have read Asunder and yet want to roleplay their characters will rationalize allowing Cole in the party or not. The Inquisitor won't know him, nor his past deeds, both good ar bad, unless Cole tells them right away (hey, if Iron Bull could...).

 

The Inquisitor would not have read Asunder so it should not any difference to anyone who roleplays. 



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I guess Cole is here for the Japanese market?

 

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#253
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Being willing to die is the notion that dying is a suitable alternative to not dying given the alternative. Wanting to die is simply that. The want to no longer carry on living consequence be damned. The girl only saw more torment and pain in her future. Had she not, she would have instead been willing to live, obviously. Cole showed up before she was mature enough to make the distinction.

And that make no difference. The end is the same if the choose to die. So what if one is a person allowing themselves to be crushed in a cave in or a person is crushed because they sacrifice themselves in someones place. In the end they allowed themselves to die.

 

Their actions are based on freewill. Free will also mean freedom to choose self destructive choices. If the person chooses to die of their own free will it matter not why they choose it what matter that they choose their actions of their own free will. All Coles Victims chose to die of their own freewill. The circumstance does not matter unless you want to understand why they made the choice or how to prevent it from happening again. 

But as long as free choice is being use, their should me no issues on a logical objective point of view. Any view ageist this is just a subjective view point with no real constancy of right and wrong.



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That's exactly how children learn morals though. Didn't we all do pretty terrible things as kids sometimes, only to be scolded by our guardian(s)? Then we felt guilty and learnt that what we did was wrong. Learning morals is to mourn the loss of respect from a guardian, at least partially.

 

No, some children refuse to learn morals no matter how much you try to teach them.

poor cat  :crying:

 

Tbh that says allot about their parents. Kids can often lack empathy for other living things but most of them have some sense of right and wrong at least because parents usually teach their kids not to do things like that. 

 

Humans (and other apes) tend to have an innate sense of right and wrong regardless of what the parents do/do not do. 

Oh, did they confirm it? I didn't know. Also, I don't think having a child's mind counts, especially when he's not even a child, just a spirit who acts like one.

 

Does anyone else get the vibe of DC's Scare Crow when he's wearing this hat? I do.

 

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No.



#255
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The Inquisitor would not have read Asunder so it should not any difference to anyone who roleplays. 

 

The Inquisitor wouldn't, but the real person playing him might. Everyone should play the game the way they like, but I'm still curious about possible in-universe rationalizations instead of the same "Cole is a psycho serial killer!" or "Cole is a traumatized merciful spirit" discussion.

 

Some ideas, for example:

-A Dwarf Inquisitor may be positive since Dwarves don't care so much about the Fade and its inhabitants. Or the opposite, the Fade is so strange for them that he or she won't like an unknown near them.

-Normally the Dalish don't even like the Spirit School of magic, so maybe a Dalish Inquisitor would be totally opposed to Cole. Or maybe the Dalish Inquisitor is a free spirit like Merrill in that regard.

- A human mage could be like Rhys, seeing a mystery to unveil and a soul in need of help. Or they could be like Lambert, convinced that the only good demon is the dead demon and that any negotiation means risking possession.



#256
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Oh...Rick Moranis called and is asking for his helmet back :)

 

Also, leaked dialogue from the game:

 

"Smeagol knows the way, massssster! Smeagol knows!" - Cole

 

"It's Cole. He's been following us for two hours of gamplay..." - Vivienne


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#257
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I guess Cole is here for the Japanese market?

 

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Cole has that whole "self sacrificing" uke vibe going on. He couldn't be seme if he tried. 



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I guess Cole is here for the Japanese market?

 

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Yes, because only Japanese people are interested in that stuff. <_<



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Yes, because only Japanese people are interested in that stuff. <_<

 

Heh. Well don't say I didn't warn you if Cole's strongest attack involves his portrait flashing past the foreground dramatically before it connects :)



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No, some children refuse to learn morals no matter how much you try to teach them.

 

Humans (and other apes) tend to have an innate sense of right and wrong regardless of what the parents do/do not do. 

 

No.

1.And that's an issue of free will. Added, Cole actively is learning morality and trying to change to it.

2.That is still based on collectivism and actions of the group. Regardless of the person having morals they are still different form group to group.



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I can see why a spirit of serial murder would be drawn to a bioware protagonist and his merry band of companions, though.

 

All this seems like a bit of an overreaction considering the track record of so many other characters who aren't treated with such disgust. "What's the most pieces you've ever cut someone into in a single swing? I'm up to three, but I have some ideas."

 

It is hypocrisy.


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#262
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Replay dragon age: origin and DA2. Spirit and demons can make their own bodies outside of the fade if they are power full enough.


None of them looked like a human nor did they have any clothes on.

#263
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None of them looked like a human nor did they have any clothes on.

 

Cole's the spirit of hipster. He's too cool not to appear like a mundane human.



#264
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None of them looked like a human nor did they have any clothes on.

Replay the anvil of the void quest and the circle tower quest. Or even deal with Gaxkang.



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It is hypocrisy.

 

It does seem strange that there are people who are so upset about Cole considering his circumstances compared to other characters. Zev, Anders and Sten come to mind. And in Mass Effect, Thane. Mordin and Isabela are morally questionable too. All these characters have various circumstances that make them more or less forgiven (depending on the person, obviously Anders still has his haters) for the things they did.

 

If someone can explain to me why Cole is different that'd be great. I'd love to know why.  ^_^



#266
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People wanted another female option.Thanks to this reveal, 75% of the playerbase now has a fixed party with no options (Fem Inquisitior, Vivienne, Sera, Cassandra).



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It does seem strange that there are people who are so upset about Cole considering his circumstances compared to other characters. Zev, Anders and Sten come to mind. And in Mass Effect, Thane. Mordin and Isabela are morally questionable too. All these characters have various circumstances that make them more or less forgiven (depending on the person, obviously Anders still has his haters) for the things they did.

 

If someone can explain to me why Cole is different that'd be great. I'd love to know why.  ^_^

It's not that he's different. It that the same people who give one character who is morally questionable a chance are look down on him.



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People wanted another female option.Thanks to this reveal, 75% of the playerbase now has a fixed party with no options (Fem Inquisitior, Vivienne, Sera, Cassandra).

 

75% eh.



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People wanted another female option.Thanks to this reveal, 75% of the playerbase now has a fixed party with no options (Fem Inquisitior, Vivienne, Sera, Cassandra).

no

#270
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None of them looked like a human nor did they have any clothes on.

What's his name, the Forbidden One in Masked Empire appeared human despite apparently not being an abomination. Leading to my belief that Cole is the Formless One.

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It does seem strange that there are people who are so upset about Cole considering his circumstances compared to other characters. Zev, Anders and Sten come to mind. And in Mass Effect, Thane. Mordin and Isabela are morally questionable too. All these characters have various circumstances that make them more or less forgiven (depending on the person, obviously Anders still has his haters) for the things they did.

If someone can explain to me why Cole is different that'd be great. I'd love to know why. ^_^

Then there's the Black Wind. Complete mass murderer, yet most just see him as a jolly giant.
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People wanted another female option.Thanks to this reveal, 75% of the playerbase now has a fixed party with no options (Fem Inquisitior, Vivienne, Sera, Cassandra).

:mellow:



#273
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What's his name, the Forbidden One in Masked Empire appeared human despite apparently not being an abomination. Leading to my belief that Cole is the Formless One.

 

Gaxkang also looked human in DAO, until he attacked you than he shifted into different demon forms.



#274
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Babysitting psych-ward serial killer boy might be interesting. The Inquisitor might be the Jiminy the Cricket to Cole's Pinnochio.
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Cowboy lol