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After another long dungeon
Inquisitor: "effing great. Now I have to travel all the way to town, and get rid of all this junk. ...Maker, kill me now!"
Cole: "
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Inquisitor: "No no nonononono"
*stab*
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Cole: "It doesn't matter that he won't remeber me. What matters is that I helped."
Yeahhhhhhhh, suddenly I have a strong urge to kill Cole now.........
Cole - the "guy" who'll never leave the camp.
At least, my camp.
Keep your chin up....
nevermind
*Crawling in my skin!!*
Man, not sure what to think of this concept. I can't help but feel that Varric will make snide comments at him quite a lot if you bring him along.
hah! guess who will spend the entire game in the Keep!
i actually like they guy - he added a humorous note to Asunder (Maker, i facepalmed more times only whilst watching Twilight), i don't mind him being included in inquisition. the guy is so emo, it's hilarious. on the other hand... i need to hear banter between him and Cass. i hope she'll make him cry. you know what? screw that, i want my inquisitor to make him cry
I can't believe Cole can be undetected. He lived for a whole year in the Mage Tower undetected... What about the smell?! If he never bathed in a year he would stink!
I wonder how much he will smell in Inquisition...
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I can't believe Cole can be undetected. He lived for a whole year in the Mage Tower undetected... What about the smell?! If he never bathed in a year he would stink!
I wonder how much he will smell in Inquisition...
You think Bioware will package together a special companion "scratch n' sniff" card ala EarthBound 
You think Bioware will package together a special companion "scratch n' sniff" card ala EarthBound
lol How did he manage to stay hidden without bathing anyway?!
Inquisitor: "I wish that dragon was like you, Cole. It could cut itself."
Ah, emo. A word that has been stripped of all meaning due to people abusing it in order to discredit male characters that aren't total bro material and/or big, beefy warriors. See also, whiny.
I don't really want to mother Cole, but I do think he's an incredibly interesting character who might offer a more nuanced look at the citizens of the Fade than even Justice was able to provide. Knee jerks aside, it's also been fun to see people getting excited (well, those who are keeping it in the no-squick zone) about him, and I look forward to seeing how they handle him in the game.
Inquisitor: "I wish that dragon was like you, Cole. It could cut itself."
I don't know if all the self-harm jokes are really necessary... 
But besides that, I think people seem to be a bit quick to judge these characters based on their appearances. It's the same with Solas too. We have a little more to go on with Cole because of Asunder, but we still have no idea how he's changed in the time since the book occurred. In fact, judging by his quote it would seem like he's trying to repent for all his murder-eyness.
On my first play through of DA:O I completely neglected Oghren and Sten because they didn't seem interesting or like my kind of people, but after playing with them at other times I've come to love them as much as the others, if not more. If people don't give Cole (and others) the time of day just because of a very limited impression of him, they could really miss out on a great character.
That's my two cents anyway. Do what you like.
Just to put Cole in perspective a bit:
1. He's attracted to people that have a desire to harm themselves.
2. He only feels visible, or 'alive' when he does some kind of harm.
3. He can make people that he's taken advantage of forget what happened AND who he is.
The boy is basically every Law and Order: SVU antagonist and Criminal Minds suspect ever is what I'm saying. Creepy as all get out.
The interesting part of him is the possible dilemma between what he *was* and what he may *want to be*.
When say, Thane in ME2 tells you of his time as an assassin, killing many who didn't deserve it, do you consider him creepy for him thinking of himself as just the tool of others beyond him? Why isn't he wracked with guilt to the point of non-function? Why should I let him on my team? Wait - because he still does feel guilt but not enough to keep him from doing better in the world and being a better person before he leaves everything behind.
Cole thought he was doing what he was meant to do. He was a confused, delusional spirit. Then he was woken up to the reality that he is, to some extent, demonic and murderous. But he isn't allowed to just be a fully-fledged angry crazy demon, so he is lost and looks for guidance. Cue the Inquisitor. Whatever we were before, we are now the Inquisition.
Thane didn't enjoy the killing. It was work. Work he was trained and compelled by his culture to do since childhood. He was good at it and arguably anyone he targeted likely had their own fair share of blood on their hands. Cole killed innocents at their lowest point and he did it because he liked it. Just because someone told him it was wrong and he conveniently believes it now doesn't mean he all of a sudden doesn't enjoy killing innocent children that are in pain.
I've all the compassion and forgiveness in the world but it ends when someone intentionally hurts a child.
Thane didn't enjoy the killing. It was work. Work he was trained and compelled by his culture to do since childhood. He was good at it and arguably anyone he targeted likely had their own fair share of blood on their hands. Cole killed innocents at their lowest point and he did it because he liked it. Just because someone told him it was wrong and he conveniently believes it now doesn't mean he all of a sudden doesn't enjoy killing innocent children that are in pain.
I've all the compassion and forgiveness in the world but it ends when someone intentionally hurts a child.
...Erm. No? He never described it in the book as something he enjoyed. Nor do I remember they being children, young mages yes but they where never described as children. The only child he killed by accident was apparently his sister. Which again was the accident of a young boy hiding with his sister from an abusive father.
He killed those people because he was drawn to them to make himself feel whole and because those people had completely lost the will to live. There was not a thing about him feeling 'happy' from killing people.
...Erm. No? He never described it in the book as something he enjoyed. Nor do I remember they being children, young mages yes but they where never described as children. The only child he killed by accident was apparently his sister. Which again was the accident of a young boy hiding with his sister from an abusive father.
He killed those people because he was drawn to them to make himself feel whole and because those people had completely lost the will to live. There was not a thing about him feeling 'happy' from killing people.
Also, he didn't kill Pharamond and the poor man begged him to, why didn't he kill him ? because Rhys told him not to kill people anymore.
....why am I even bothering ? this is the internet after all.
...Erm. No? He never described it in the book as something he enjoyed. Nor do I remember they being children, young mages yes but they where never described as children. The only child he killed by accident was apparently his sister. Which again was the accident of a young boy hiding with his sister from an abusive father.
He killed those people because he was drawn to them to make himself feel whole and because those people had completely lost the will to live. There was not a thing about him feeling 'happy' from killing people.
"Cole held her close, staring into her eyes. He drank in every moment as the life ebbed out of her. It was an instant that seemed to stretch out into forever...and then she was gone."
This is Cole murdering a little girl. Pages 20 and 21 of Asunder.
"Cole held her close, staring into her eyes. He drank in every moment as the life ebbed out of her. It was an instant that seemed to stretch out into forever...and then she was gone."
This is Cole murdering a little girl. Pages 20 and 21 of Asunder.
That didn't at all describe any sort of joy from killing her? It didn't make him happy doing it, he didn't glee in joy after that event or had any descriptions that he felt good. Just stopping his feeling of slipping into the cracks of the world. I am not saying it is right for him to have killed the mage, I am saying he took no joy from it.
Also we have no idea how old that mage was. The only thing we know about her is that she murdered her whole family on purpose, not a thing if she was a little girl or what have you.
Now, while I agree with most of it, in the books there's a clear distinction between Cole being a murderer and Cole (potentially, it's debated even in the books) being merciful. He has the mind of a child so to him that's a lot of grey area. Now, Cole could only be seen by specific people: Spirit mediums, people wishing to die, and people in the fade with him. So yes, in his eyes the murdering is mercy killing as they already wish to die. But, that gets discussed so much more in depth by the end of the book.
Not saying I disagree as I find Cole rather odd... Not sure how I feel about him yet really... But I'm willing to give him a chance in Inquisition as we might get to delve deeper into his character.
That didn't at all describe any sort of joy from killing her? It didn't make him happy doing it, he didn't glee in joy after that event or had any descriptions that he felt good. Just stopping his feeling of slipping into the cracks of the world. I am not saying it is right for him to have killed the mage, I am saying he took no joy from it.
Also we have no idea how old that mage was. The only thing we know about her is that she murdered her whole family on purpose, not a thing if she was a little girl or what have you.
As you say. She describes in her confession the act of a mage only just coming into her power which would put her squarely at the doorstep of adolescence. And even if the actual term joy isn't used to label the feeling killing gave Cole, the scene plays out like the experience was very satisfying, gratifying, and thrilling for him all the same. He even thanks her.
Death is an inevitable process. It might as well be beautiful and merciful sometimes.
Cole is invisible/forgettable and he is remembered for the rest of someone's life when they die by his hands, instead of forgotten. Yep that sounds serial killerish except for that whole bit where he is an inexperienced spirit (spirit/demon = sooo much simplistic binary thinking) and and people literally DO forget him.
Considering the glee in which most of the players slaughtered hundreds if not thousands with the Warden or Hawke, I find all the distaste for Cole as a murderer somewhat hypocritical.
Considering the glee in which most of the players slaughtered hundreds if not thousands with the Warden or Hawke, I find all the distaste for Cole as a murderer somewhat hypocritical.
QFT
"Oh but I HAD to fight."
Well yes. Sometimes. Other times, people intentionally went out of their way to pick options that would result in killing other characters - minor or major. And for much more speculative reasons than 'they're on their way to be Tranquil or executed, and they want to die, so I want to make it easier for them'.
Anyone spare the Magistrates boy? He thought he was doing what he had to, as well. That he was possessed and that all those elven lass' were just too beautiful to live. And Cole needed to feel real. Any 'cuddling' those men needed ceased to be the first time they killed a child. I think it bears repeating. Cole murdered children. This is the difference between Warden and Hawke, and Cole.
Even Sten, also a child killer, felt shame for his actions. Cole only felt bad because Rhyss was disappointed. The act itself of murdering those children still had held no special sorrow for him. Just the dismissal of Rhyss.
Cole is drowning, killing makes him feel more real (i'd like to think it's because of the dialogue with his victims, he feels more real because someone finally notices him - later he used Rhys for that purpose, thus he didn't need to kill anymore). He is a mage and a rogue. With super power of invisibility (or something). Abused kid who cannot differentiate between right and wrong (kids are cruel because for them legal systems, morality and all that crap doesn't exist). His origin is unknown - he might be a ghost, demon or a spirit. Dreamy eyes, awesome hair. and no... Cole's not whiny. Werther was whiny.
he's a very well designed character. author really put his mind to his creation and it shows.
i dislike Cole, pretty much for the same reasons i dislike Wesley Crusher. for both chars i'd be perma banned from every good tabletop group i know. too overpowered. too cool background. too many awesome things put in one giant pot, in contrast to, i dunno, Evangeline?
Anyone spare the Magistrates boy? He thought he was doing what he had to, as well. That he was possessed and that all those elven lass' were just too beautiful to live. And Cole needed to feel real. Any 'cuddling' those men needed ceased to be the first time they killed a child. I think it bears repeating. Cole murdered children. This is the difference between Warden and Hawke, and Cole.
Even Sten, also a child killer, felt shame for his actions. Cole only felt bad because Rhyss was disappointed. The act itself of murdering those children still had held no special sorrow for him. Just the dismissal of Rhyss.
You know the Warden could have killed a child too , dont you ? Or you forgot Connor ?
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