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[Ponendus]

Ah, emo. A word that has been stripped of all meaning due to people abusing it in order to discredit male characters that aren't total bro material and/or big, beefy warriors. See also, whiny.

 

I don't really want to mother Cole, but I do think he's an incredibly interesting character who might offer a more nuanced look at the citizens of the Fade than even Justice was able to provide. Knee jerks aside, it's also been fun to see people getting excited (well, those who are keeping it in the no-squick zone) about him, and I look forward to seeing how they handle him in the game. 

 

A voice of reason in a sea of disappointment thank you. I was delighted to log on tonight and see the BSN making jokes of mental illness and hating on people that were sad. The empathy is truly inspiring.

 

Cole is a complicated character, and an extremely well crafted one in my opinion (thank you Mr. Gaider). I can't wait to meet him and see what he has to contribute.

[Jsixgun]

Personally not thrilled about him. I think he will be unrelatable. My inquisitor will prob send him on his merry way.

[AkiKishi]

A voice of reason in a sea of disappointment thank you. I was delighted to log on tonight and see the BSN making jokes of mental illness and hating on people that were sad. The empathy is truly inspiring.

 

Cole is a complicated character, and an extremely well crafted one in my opinion (thank you Mr. Gaider). I can't wait to meet him and see what he has to contribute.

 

Cole is an animal. A creature of instinct who kills to survive and preys and on the weak and vulnerable. Even if you train him, his basic nature will not change. 

[Ponendus]

Cole is an animal. A creature of instinct who kills to survive and preys and on the weak and vulnerable. Even if you train him, his basic nature will not change. 

 

Quite possibly. Still makes him complicated and interesting though.

[Sekou]

Anyone spare the Magistrates boy? He thought he was doing what he had to, as well. That he was possessed and that all those elven lass' were just too beautiful to live. And Cole needed to feel real. Any 'cuddling' those men needed ceased to be the first time they killed a child. I think it bears repeating. Cole murdered children. This is the difference between Warden and Hawke, and Cole.
 
Even Sten, also a child killer, felt shame for his actions. Cole only felt bad because Rhyss was disappointed. The act itself of murdering those children still had held no special sorrow for him. Just the dismissal of Rhyss.

I think it is important to note here that developmentally, Cole is a child himself. As such, I can't affix the murderer tag to a child. Their comprehension of right and wrong is not the same as an adult's.

[SwobyJ]

I think it is important to note here that developmentally, Cole is a child himself. As such, I can't affix the murderer tag to a child. Their comprehension of right and wrong is not the same as an adult's.

 

Ding ding.

 

Beings of the Fade are our reflections and creations. When it comes down to it, we 'should' only 'put them down' when they pose imminent threat. Like as demons. Otherwise, we should understand them to be (and I know many won't agree with this) the responsibility of Thedas' dreamers/mortals. Make a better world and you wouldn't be dealing with so many demons IMO.

 

And I think that's what this whole Inquisition business is about anyway. Setting up the new order of things that might deal with the Fade better than the messed up Chantry/Tevinter/Etc systems of before. Anyway.

[Chari]

That didn't at all describe any sort of joy from killing her? It didn't make him happy doing it, he didn't glee in joy after that event or had any descriptions that he felt good. Just stopping his feeling of slipping into the cracks of the world. I am not saying it is right for him to have killed the mage, I am saying he took no joy from it.

Also we have no idea how old that mage was. The only thing we know about her is that she murdered her whole family on purpose, not a thing if she was a little girl or what have you.

To drink in:
4. To take in eagerly through the senses or intellect
6. to take in through the senses, esp. with eagerness and pleasure (often fol. by in).

[Chari]

I think it is important to note here that developmentally, Cole is a child himself. As such, I can't affix the murderer tag to a child. Their comprehension of right and wrong is not the same as an adult's.

A terrible excuse
Once kids in my dad's neighbourhood killed a cat with bricks and nailed it to a tree
They're just kids - said their parents
They don't understand what is good and what is bad - they said
Yet to that cat their excuses mean nothing
It's dead and nothing can change that

[AkiKishi]

A terrible excuse
Once kids in my dad's neighbourhood killed a cat with bricks and nailed it to a tree
They're just kids - said their parents
They don't understand what is good and what is bad - they said
Yet to that cat their excuses mean nothing
It's dead and nothing can change that

 

You have nice kids in your neighbourhood.It's unfortunate you can't nail kids to trees. That's why I prefer to think of Cole as an animal. Viewing such creatures as children gives them unwarranted sympathy.

[Chari]

You have nice kids in your neighbourhood.It's unfortunate you can't nail kids to trees. That's why I prefer to think of Cole as an animal. Viewing such creatures as children gives them unwarranted sympathy.

Nah, my dad's hometown is in Ukraine, but he moved from there long time ago so I didn't grow up there

To be honest I do not critisize Cole for that: he is not a human and shouldn't be judged as such. As a spirit his morals are different indeed

It's just that "but it's a kid!" is a terrible excuse for murder, torture or bullying

[mopotter]

Ah, emo. A word that has been stripped of all meaning due to people abusing it in order to discredit male characters that aren't total bro material and/or big, beefy warriors. See also, whiny.

 

I don't really want to mother Cole, but I do think he's an incredibly interesting character who might offer a more nuanced look at the citizens of the Fade than even Justice was able to provide. Knee jerks aside, it's also been fun to see people getting excited (well, those who are keeping it in the no-squick zone) about him, and I look forward to seeing how they handle him in the game. 

Thanks.  I also get really tired of those two words.  Way overused.

 

I also don't want to mother him or have him as a love interest and if like Zev  there is an option to kill him, I'll probably do it eventually if my inquisitor has a reason to.  

 

But as a character, I find him very interesting.  I loved the book and his character in the game will be the one I'm most interested in learning about, so far.  I'm hoping all of them are interesting, but I am looking forward to seeing what D G has done with Cole.

[Vaseldwa]

Hey not trying to up the creepy factor or anything but I thinking, what if rhys is dead and the huge hat cole is wear is made of his skin?   (too far??)

[Heimdall]

Cole is an animal. A creature of instinct who kills to survive and preys and on the weak and vulnerable. Even if you train him, his basic nature will not change.

...Did you even read Asunder?

[Dermain]

A voice of reason in a sea of disappointment thank you. I was delighted to log on tonight and see the BSN making jokes of mental illness and hating on people that were sad. The empathy is truly inspiring.

 

Cole is a complicated character, and an extremely well crafted one in my opinion (thank you Mr. Gaider). I can't wait to meet him and see what he has to contribute.

 

Yes, well lack of empathy is common everywhere...it's quite disheartening.

 

In a sense, Cole can be seen as a DA version of Dr. Kevorkian since Cole brings up the same dilemma.

I think it is important to note here that developmentally, Cole is a child himself. As such, I can't affix the murderer tag to a child. Their comprehension of right and wrong is not the same as an adult's.

 

We do not know what Cole is. Spirit? Demon? Something more complex? He's an enigma. On a side note, I do not think Gaider meant "Cole has the mind of a child" as being he is a child, but as a way of saying that Cole sees romance the way a child does. Children do not understand what love is and they don't understand sex (and can't be taught about it until they get older). 

Cole is an animal. A creature of instinct who kills to survive and preys and on the weak and vulnerable. Even if you train him, his basic nature will not change. 

 

You are an animal. Thought questions: What is the "basic nature" of humans? Can it be changed?

 

You have nice kids in your neighbourhood.It's unfortunate you can't nail kids to trees. That's why I prefer to think of Cole as an animal. Viewing such creatures as children gives them unwarranted sympathy.

 

Interesting bit of dissociation you're applying to those children. They are children, but there actions can/should not be explained by saying "They're just children!". Children USUALLY do not torture others/animals. Those that do usually suffer from anti-social personality disorder (technically termed Conduct Disorder for children only), and their behavior generally can not be "fixed" since they will never understand why it is wrong. Does this mean they shouldn't be punished? Of course not, but the real question is how should they be punished?

[Lexxbomb]

 

I swear the Devs must be Supernatural Fans because Cole looks like Garth, heck maybe he could be the voice - now that would be epic

[Aran Linvail]

I'll leave the psychological debate to people smarter than me , i don't care if he's a animal , a demon or a serial-killer as long as he kills for me im ok with it

[General TSAR]

Great, another psychopathic murderer who is mad at the world. 

 

Guess that means Lambert must be dead, unfortunate. 

[Mistic]

Cole is an animal. A creature of instinct who kills to survive and preys and on the weak and vulnerable. Even if you train him, his basic nature will not change. 

 

That sounds a lot like the Dalish viewpoint on spirits (note to myself: remember that for future RPG playthroughs). Also, Lambert's.

[Kidd]

Anyone spare the Magistrates boy? He thought he was doing what he had to, as well. That he was possessed and that all those elven lass' were just too beautiful to live. And Cole needed to feel real. Any 'cuddling' those men needed ceased to be the first time they killed a child. I think it bears repeating. Cole murdered children. This is the difference between Warden and Hawke, and Cole.
 
Even Sten, also a child killer, felt shame for his actions. Cole only felt bad because Rhyss was disappointed. The act itself of murdering those children still had held no special sorrow for him. Just the dismissal of Rhyss.

That's exactly how children learn morals though. Didn't we all do pretty terrible things as kids sometimes, only to be scolded by our guardian(s)? Then we felt guilty and learnt that what we did was wrong. Learning morals is to mourn the loss of respect from a guardian, at least partially.

[naddaya]

You know the Warden could have killed a child too , dont you ? Or you forgot Connor ?

 

Connor was possessed. The demon killed plenty of people already. Going to the tower would require at least two days, the other option involved performing a blood magic ritual suggested by an imprisoned blood mage the warden possibly doesn't know, in an area where the veil was already thin. Killing Connor is reasonable, and the warden doesn't have to like it. People killing him just to scorn Isolde, that's another thing

[mikeymoonshine]

A terrible excuse
Once kids in my dad's neighbourhood killed a cat with bricks and nailed it to a tree
They're just kids - said their parents
They don't understand what is good and what is bad - they said
Yet to that cat their excuses mean nothing
It's dead and nothing can change that

 

poor cat 

 

Tbh that says allot about their parents. Kids can often lack empathy for other living things but most of them have some sense of right and wrong at least because parents usually teach their kids not to do things like that. 

[Ajna]

poor cat

Tbh that says allot about their parents. Kids can often lack empathy for other living things but most of them have some sense of right and wrong at least because parents usually teach their kids not to do things like that.

Kids generally don't do things like that unless there is something wrong with them, like psychopathy for instance... I don't care for new fangled names for the same thing, it is what it is, they're wired differently and unable to feel compassion. Evil creatures.

[Giffygas]

If the guys at Bioware are making Cole wear a hat like that can we have a little scene like this:

[Ineedaname]

I think Colevorkian has a very interesting story arc, and the reactions of our Inquisitor/companions will be interesting at worst, hilarious at best. I have not read Asunder, but there are enough spoilers in these forums for me to get the gist, I think. So Colevorkian is pretty much known for doing what Hawke told Anders to do to... well, you guys know what I am talking about.

[Beerfish]

...Did you even read Asunder?

The description seems about right to me.