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Yea, I think I got my answer. You're strongly EMOTIONAL about Cole. Oh, the irony of that!
Oh, I'm emotional alright,
Man/child's habits are so ridiculous it brings me great joy to point out how ridiculous they are.
He kills people so they can remember him, and makes himself feel alive through this..... Psycho
"Magistrate's orders" anyone?
If it's a survival instinct then it's not the same thing. It's no different to eating in that case. It often comes across like hes savouring a meal. You might still kill him, but it would be more like killing a bear or other animal, rather than a serial killer.
And that perspective is appreciated. Still, it was there to end her life before it knew about what she did. Her being a murderer had no bearing on its purpose.
And the fact she wanted to die does not hold any ground as well?
If it's a survival instinct then it's not the same thing. It's no different to eating in that case. It often comes across like hes savouring a meal. You might still kill him, but it would be more like killing a bear or other animal, rather than a serial killer.
Exactly, Spirits aren't good or evil. They are just predictors.
If it's a survival instinct then it's not the same thing. It's no different to eating in that case. It often comes across like hes savouring a meal. You might still kill him, but it would be more like killing a bear or other animal, rather than a serial killer.
he should just die to save all his future victim's lives....
Oh, I'm emotional alright,
Man/child's habits are so ridiculous it brings me great joy to point out how ridiculous they are.
He kills people so they can remember him, and makes himself feel alive through this..... Psycho
Dude, now your just making thing up. You're not even covering he fact he is a spirit trying to instinctly go back to the fade.
he should just die to save all his future victim's lives....
Or you could use him like an attack dog.
he should just die to save all his future victim's lives....
Cows can say the same thing about humans. Mice can say the same thing about cats.
You seem to not get that.
Added, the people he killed wanted to die.
And the fact she wanted to die does not hold any ground as well?
Can blame her under the circumstances? She'd just killed the only family she'd ever known, for good or ill, with powers she only knew of as a curse. She'd been kidnapped, likely assaulted, and imprisoned by strange men. And she was locked in a room with a something that it was readily apparent was there to kill her and that she had no way of defending herself against. She had a dismal choice. Face a certain quick death then, or suffer an unknown and likely gruesome end shortly later.
Does the fact that Cole no longer kills people to reaffirm his existence mean anything?
I think for a spirit inhabiting dead body he looks fine.
Does the fact that Cole no longer kills people to reaffirm his existence mean anything?
To some of these people, no.
Oh, I'm emotional alright,
Man/child's habits are so ridiculous it brings me great joy to point out how ridiculous they are.
He kills people so they can remember him, and makes himself feel alive through this..... Psycho
I suggest you read the interview. It says that Cole has changed for the better, as in he's more of a "defender of the innocent and helpless" rather than the "murderer of people in despair".
I hope Bioware allows me to refuse this thing entrance into my campaign.
You're in luck!
"Cole remains a work in progress, yes. Anyone who allows him to join the Inquisition (and because there are people whose response to him in Asunder was, "Demon? LOL NOPE," allowing him to join is optional) is going to hear about some weird things happening, with no one quite sure who put all those turnips in the fireplace or why the battlements are covered with loaves of bread." - Patrick Weekes
I think for a spirit inhabiting dead body he looks fine.
He isn't inhabiting a dead body.
No it doesn't. Imagine it showed its particular brand of 'mercy' to your child. You're little brother or sister. Then it said "Whoops! That was just a misunderstanding. Wow I'm soooo embarassed! I'll never do anything like that again, that's for sure! Can you forgive me? I'm so earnest and pitifull... 
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No it doesn't. Imagine it showed its particular brand of 'mercy' to your child. You're little brother or sister. Then it said "Whoops! That was just a misunderstanding. Wow I'm soooo embarassed! I'll never do anything like that again, that's for sure! Can you forgive me? I'm so earnest and pitifull...
I'm not sure presupposing a bias does much here to cement an argument. If it was my sibling, no. If it wasn't my sibling, that may grant me the perspective I need to see he could do a lot more good than harm with the ways he has chosen to change.
Or not! Which is the beauty of BioWare allowing you to be flexible with your companions. Personally I think the strong reactions to Cole on either side show the character is working, as I believe you said upthread.
Can blame her under the circumstances? She'd just killed the only family she'd ever known, for good or ill, with powers she only knew of as a curse. She'd been kidnapped, likely assaulted, and imprisoned by strange men. And she was locked in a room with a something that it was readily apparent was there to kill her and that she had no way of defending herself against. She had a dismal choice. Face a certain quick death then, or suffer an unknown and likely gruesome end shortly later.
That's irreverent. That fact is she allowed him to kill her because she want to die. The issue here is that you are calling Cole's actions a crime. My point is to ask "a crime to who?". If the supposive victim was willing and not force to allow Cole to kill them then how is it a crime ageist the victim? This girl still had the option to try to live. We had another case like this in the fort were the girl choose to live instead of letting Cole kill her. He does not go after anyone unwilling to die, just the ones who want to die. That is until the end of the book. In the end his motivations are still compassion and despair of himself and others.
No it doesn't. Imagine it showed its particular brand of 'mercy' to your child. You're little brother or sister. Then it said "Whoops! That was just a misunderstanding. Wow I'm soooo embarassed! I'll never do anything like that again, that's for sure! Can you forgive me? I'm so earnest and pitifull...
Some parents actually are and have been forgiving of this sort of thing (a child killing another child - though not quite several children, sure).
No it doesn't. Imagine it showed its particular brand of 'mercy' to your child. You're little brother or sister. Then it said "Whoops! That was just a misunderstanding. Wow I'm soooo embarassed! I'll never do anything like that again, that's for sure! Can you forgive me? I'm so earnest and pitifull...
You're in luck!
" Anyone who allows him to join the Inquisition (and because there are people whose response to him in Asunder was, "Demon? LOL NOPE," allowing him to join is optional) is going to hear about some weird things happening, with no one quite sure who put all those turnips in the fireplace or why the battlements are covered with loaves of bread." - Patrick Weekes
Yeah it's going to take some fancy footwork to convince me to swallow the reformed serial killer act.
Does this mean you won't trust any of our companions since they have all killed?
That's irreverent. That fact is she allowed him to kill her because she want to die. The issue here is that you are calling Cole's actions a crime. My point is to ask "a crime to who?". If the supposive victim was willing and not force to allow Cole to kill them then how is it a crime ageist the victim? This girl still had the option to try to live. We had another case like this in the fort were the girl choose to live instead of letting Cole kill her. He does not go after anyone unwilling to die, just the ones who want to die. That is until the end of the book. In the end his motivations are still compassion and despair of himself and others.
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I can see why a spirit of serial murder would be drawn to a bioware protagonist and his merry band of companions, though.
All this seems like a bit of an overreaction considering the track record of so many other characters who aren't treated with such disgust. "What's the most pieces you've ever cut someone into in a single swing? I'm up to three, but I have some ideas."
That's irreverent. That fact is she allowed him to kill her because she want to die. The issue here is that you are calling Cole's actions a crime. My point is to ask "a crime to who?". If the supposive victim was willing and not force to allow Cole to kill them then how is it a crime ageist the victim? This girl still had the option to try to live. We had another case like this in the fort were the girl choose to live instead of letting Cole kill her. He does not go after anyone unwilling to die, just the ones who want to die. That is until the end of the book. In the end his motivations are still compassion and despair of himself and others.
It's very relevant. She didn't want to die. She just didn't want to live, likely very nearly as briefly, in agony. This 'option' Cole presents, isn't really an option at all. That it rationalizes it as a form of compassion is all the more monstrous.
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