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[themikefest]

 

Well, firstly, there'll be no more war in my galaxy no matter what. Secondly, we still don't know who any of them are, aside from Benezia, who's extremely dead. Thirdly, it seems rather quixotic to pursue this in the wake of the Reaper war, since the beacon's destroyed and so much reconstructive work is required anyway, and I personally wouldn't want anything to hinder necessary galactic unity.

You wouldn't punish them. What do you say to all the species that want to punish them after the rebuilding of the galaxy?

[KaiserShep]

It wouldn't really make sense to attempt to punish the entirety of a species for a few, and we don't even know if those responsible are even alive in the end. Though, I guess that didn't stop what happened to the quarians.

[Han Shot First]

You wouldn't punish them. What do you say to all the species that want to punish them after the rebuilding of the galaxy?

 

It is unlikely that the other factions will want to punish the Asari.

 

They had just been through the most destructive war any of them had ever seen, and one the Asari were instrumental in winning. Additionally it had taken galactic unity to win that war, and taking divisive political action post-war would seem to be taking two steps back.

 

Also the Asari are the founders of the Citadel Council. That scenario would be a bit like the other member nations of NATO deciding to 'punish' the United States.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You're talking about Mary Sues, Massively?

 

Yes, because I don't really have any mary sue preconceptions. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

No. No, she isn't racist.

 

Her ME1 writer confirmed this long ago. I would gladly show the link but the post no longer exists because the old ME forums are gone.

 

This is one of those issues that is rather subjective in interpretation, but I don't buy into L'Etoiles statements into it. 

[Livi14]

Right, and who gets to be high and mighty in this regard? Nobody wants to punish the asari. The human councilor stages a coup, TIM and Cerberus with their rich and powerful backers on Earth spent all of ME3 openly helping the Reapers, the salarians sat on the sidelines and tried to uplift the Yahg, the geth and the quarians didn't care about the rest of the galaxy and fought their own little war.

[Livi14]

No. No, she isn't racist.
 
Her ME1 writer confirmed this long ago. I would gladly show the link but the post no longer exists because the old ME forums are gone.

It was posted a few pages back.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Right, and who gets to be high and mighty in this regard? Nobody wants to punish the asari. The human councilor stages a coup, TIM and Cerberus with their rich and powerful backers on Earth spent all of ME3 openly helping the Reapers, the salarians sat on the sidelines and tried to uplift the Yahg, the geth and the quarians didn't care about the rest of the galaxy and fought their own little war.

 

This is a tu quoque fallacy. I can shoot down other parts, but the biggest thing here is that you're making an appeal to hypocrisy. The argument isn't about any of the other incidents of various and dubious means and motivations, but on the Asari. Keep it on them. The rest is another discussion for another time.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It was posted a few pages back.

 

And refuted a few pages back as well.

[Xilizhra]

@Xil re: no artifacts? Do yourself a favor. Don't look too closely at what's under the temple floor when Shepard falls through it.

In context, what was meant was "no artifacts in plain view."

 

 

You wouldn't punish them. What do you say to all the species that want to punish them after the rebuilding of the galaxy?

Who, in the end, would know, apart from my crew?

[themikefest]

It is unlikely that the other factions will want to punish the Asari.

 

They had just been through the most destructive war any of them had ever seen, and one the Asari were instrumental in winning. Additionally it had taken galactic unity to win that war, and taking divisive political action post-war would seem to be taking two steps back.

 

Also the Asari are the founders of the Citadel Council. That scenario would be a bit like the other member nations of NATO deciding to 'punish' the United States.

Doesn't matter. They withheld information to an artifact that could've/would've saved lives. They broke their own laws.They didn't care. I don't give a flying crap about them being the founders of the council or not. What the crap does that have anything to do with it? They get no punsishment and I wouldn't be surprised if Asari's gets randomly attacked all over the galaxy by folks because nothing was done. The people will want revenge and will most likely will get it one way or another.

[themikefest]

 

Who, in the end, would know, apart from my crew?

My Shepard would tell all the other species what the asari did and I wouldn't be surprised the crew speaks up about it.

[KaiserShep]

Likely nothing would become of it, just like no one will mention humanity's whole Cerberus shenanigans. The only one who ever seemed to make an issue out of it is the mad prophet lol.

[Barquiel]

This thread is actually about Ashley

And nobody in the game suggests to punish the asari (mostly because it wouldn't have changed a thing. If anything revealing the beacon earlier would have been disastrous because Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it)...or the humans, or anyone else. Neither does the epilogue imply that the asari are somehow "punished" (quite the contrary). So the discussion is a bit pointless.

[themikefest]

This thread is actually about Ashley

And nobody in the game suggests to punish the asari (mostly because it wouldn't have changed a thing. If anything revealing the beacon earlier would have been disastrous because Shepard would never have been sent to retrieve it)...or the humans, or anyone else. Neither does the epilogue imply that the asari are somehow "punished" (quite the contrary). So the discussion is a bit pointless.

Why would it be disastrous? Why wouldn't Shepard of gone to Thessia?

[KaiserShep]

No way would revealing the beacon earlier be disastrous. IF Shepard was sent to Thessia before the Illusive Man put it together where the artifact was, Cerberus would've too late and the war would have ended sooner.

[Barquiel]

No way would revealing the beacon earlier be disastrous. IF Shepard was sent to Thessia before the Illusive Man put it together where the artifact was, Cerberus would've too late and the war would have ended sooner.

What I meant is that the asari councilor only sends Shepard because it's a urgent or dangerous mission. She doesn't send Shepard because she knows that Shepards cipher would activate some hidden VI. If someone else had retrieved the artifact (these asari scientists for example) then it's likely Vendetta would never have activated (I doubt Shepard studies all known prothean artifacts in the galaxy because the cipher could activate hidden VIs^^). And Vendetta was programmed to withold the relevant information, of course.

[KaiserShep]

Or she only sends Shepard because the asari are starting to feel the heat a little too much to stay uncooperative, which is the impression I got from the game. As for Vendetta, there's no reason that it wouldn't have activated if Shepard was there before the reapers invaded.

[Mordokai]

No way would revealing the beacon earlier be disastrous. IF Shepard was sent to Thessia before the Illusive Man put it together where the artifact was, Cerberus would've too late and the war would have ended sooner.

 

Surely I'm not the only to think that TIM operates at the speed of the plot? If we found about beacon on Thessia five minutes after Mars, so would he.

[KaiserShep]

Surely I'm not the only to think that TIM operates at the speed of the plot? If we found about beacon on Thessia five minutes after Mars, so would he.

Well, obviously yes. It wouldn't be much of a plot if Shepard simply won without a hitch, but within the game's universe, the reason for that hitch still stands.

[Mordokai]

Well, obviously yes. It wouldn't be much of a plot if Shepard simply won without a hitch, but within the game's universe, the reason for that hitch still stands.

 

If we start using logic, ME3 in it's entirety pretty much shoots itself in the foot right there.

[Barquiel]

Or she only sends Shepard because the asari are starting to feel the heat a little too much to stay uncooperative, which is the impression I got from the game. As for Vendetta, there's no reason that it wouldn't have activated if Shepard was there before the reapers invaded.

Vendetta would be there, but it wouldn't tell you that the citadel is the catalyst (and that's the only information we need). It tells you on Cronos that it was programmed to withhold the information for fear of the Reapers learning of the Catalyst's intended use before the Crucible was completed. And the crucible wasn't completed at this time.

So...Ashley

[themikefest]

Had the beacon being revealed earlier, there is a possibility that the crucible could've been finished earlier.

[DeinonSlayer]

Had the beacon being revealed earlier, there is a possibility that the crucible could've been finished earlier.

As I've said before, Cerberus would have had a far harder time getting to it when the Asari were bunkered down, on high alert in preparation for a coming invasion (provided they actually were, instead of having an "Please remain calm! All is well! We now return you to 'Cooking with Blasto'" level of readiness); rather than actively being torn apart by one and thus unable to muster a response.