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[Barquiel]

But Ashley thinks they are racist

She says she despises the Terra Firma party for the bigotry and hateful views towards aliens. And she's no fan of aliens (still a pretty bad line imo), "but Cerberus has a history of being too extreme".

[KaiserShep]

I don't recall Ashley saying anything along the lines of despising the Terra Firma platform, but rather expressing her disapproval of the crowd being attracted. I like the "throw the appeasers out" line one of them started blurting out. As my Shepard technically falls under that heading, arguably one of the very worst for releasing the rachni, I would've loved to see someone try.

[Barquiel]

I meant the Terra Firma dialogue on the ship.

But I didn't remember her line correctly (just watched the scene again). She said that "the Terra Firma founders had ideals...but these days, they just play off xenophobia and bigotery."

[KaiserShep]

I don't remember it. Guess I'll have to look that dialogue up.

[DeinonSlayer]

If the word of characters is law you should pay attention to themLiara: I've studied Protheans my entire life. If I'd been shown the beacon on Thessia earlier...EDI: You would have needed Shepard's cipher to comprehend it.Ok Ashley... I think Chris L'Etoile's writing was pretty good in ME1, and I always found Ashley to be a very realistic and well crafted character. I simply don't agree with most of her views.

And this is the part where Shiala comes back into play, a perfectly-adequate substitute capable of giving the cipher to others so long as enough colonists are kept nearby to keep her from going all "tekeli-li!" on us.

Oh, no, wait, she's wasting her time plinking husks from the rooftops on Feros.

I don't remember it. Guess I'll have to look that dialogue up.

Pretty sure it's her response to the renegade dialogue in the exchange on the Normandy. Barquiel cited it correctly.

[Xilizhra]

And this is the part where Shiala comes back into play, a perfectly-adequate substitute capable of giving the cipher to others so long as enough colonists are kept nearby to keep her from going all "tekeli-li!" on us.

Oh, no, wait, she's wasting her time plinking husks from the rooftops on Feros.

Well, without knowing about the beacon, she'd have no reason to return to Thessia.

 

Pretty sure it's her response to the renegade dialogue in the exchange on the Normandy. Barquiel cited it correctly.

Neutral, actually; that's the one that lets her know that she sounds like Terra Firma party pamphlets.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well, without knowing about the beacon, she'd have no reason to return to Thessia.

 

That would certainly be one advantage to letting people know about the thing instead of keeping it secret for purely political motivations.

[Xilizhra]

That would certainly be one advantage to letting people know about the thing instead of keeping it secret for purely political motivations.

I will not deny that the asari were badly screwed over by the conspiracy.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I will not deny that the asari were badly screwed over by the conspiracy.

 

They did it to themselves (and to everybody else). They didn't want to be screwed by the Conspiracy of theirs? They shouldn't have been so high and mighty and holier-than-thou. Even for an egocentric megalomaniac, it's still important to know when to be humble and to not assume you're by default ascendant over everything else.

[KaiserShep]

I will not deny that the asari were badly screwed over by the conspiracy.

Everybody was badly screwed over by this conspiracy.

[Shahadem]

She isn't racist. She simply puts things into perspective. If she had to choose between saving her own species and saving another species, she'd choose to save her species. Her species is simply more important to her, it is the thing she wants to protect above all else.

 

And she wasn't so much as bigoted when you first met her, as she was unwordly. 

[Shahadem]

Over-opinionated chick vs. completely boring guy? hmm...

 

Goodbye Kaiden.

 

My Kaiden never survived Virmire either. Even when I romanced him, he still died. I think he lost the will to live.

[Livi14]

That would certainly be one advantage to letting people know about the thing instead of keeping it secret for purely political motivations.

I'd agree with you if Shepard or Shiala had checked out the known prothean beacons, archives and artifacts in the galaxy. But that didn't happen either. For some reason, people don't think that the cipher could be useful. What if, for example, Pashek Vran had stored Vendetta in a beacon on Khaje or Sur'kesh? We would have never found it.

[themikefest]

Or what if all the scientists and engineers working on the crucible figures out it attaches to the Citadel. I'm surprised they couldn't come up with that possibilty.

[KaiserShep]

It kinda begs the question as to how they could be so oblivious when they went through the process of constructing the Crucible's major moving components, like the arms that extend so that it can dock with the Presidium ring.

 

Engineer: "Hey, Jeff, check this out. So the plans here seem to indicate that the device uses large, extending arms, but when fully spread, the diameter matches the Citadel's Presidium. Didn't the reports on Shepard's mission mention the Citadel being a mass relay? This is a massive dark energy device, so what if...

 

Engineer 2: "Oh my god give it a rest, Michael. Can't you see I'm decoding here?"

[shodiswe]

It kinda begs the question as to how they could be so oblivious when they went through the process of constructing the Crucible's major moving components, like the arms that extend so that it can dock with the Presidium ring.
 
Engineer: "Hey, Jeff, check this out. So the plans here seem to indicate that the device uses large, extending arms, but when fully spread, the diameter matches the Citadel's Presidium. Didn't the reports on Shepard's mission mention the Citadel being a mass relay? This is a massive dark energy device, so what if...
 
Engineer 2: "Oh my god give it a rest, Michael. Can't you see I'm decoding here?"

For people who spend months on the thing... definitely, or maybe they are just too busy or shocked to notice.

[KaiserShep]

Thing is, we're talking about dozens, perhaps hundreds of people who are all neck deep in the design and construction of this thing. There's little chance that such an obvious detail could elude so many presumably smart people, who should have the wherewithal to put two and two together.

[Xilizhra]

Thing is, we're talking about dozens, perhaps hundreds of people who are all neck deep in the design and construction of this thing. There's little chance that such an obvious detail could elude so many presumably smart people, who should have the wherewithal to put two and two together.

Maybe the Crucible indoctrinates them.

[Steelcan]

Maybe the Crucible indoctrinates them.

 

yes that makes perfect sense, the device to destroy the Reapers is indoctrinating people

[Xilizhra]

yes that makes perfect sense, the device to destroy the Reapers is indoctrinating people

"That is a joke."

[Steelcan]

"That is a joke."

sorry used to being on the IT forum where that idea is fairly prominent

[ImaginaryMatter]

I'd agree with you if Shepard or Shiala had checked out the known prothean beacons, archives and artifacts in the galaxy. But that didn't happen either. For some reason, people don't think that the cipher could be useful. What if, for example, Pashek Vran had stored Vendetta in a beacon on Khaje or Sur'kesh? We would have never found it.

 

Except Shepard was doing that. Mars is the most predominant example but a portion of those fetch quests were all dealing with an assortment of Prothean objects and Shepard was going off of words and rumors in those cases.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Thing is, we're talking about dozens, perhaps hundreds of people who are all neck deep in the design and construction of this thing. There's little chance that such an obvious detail could elude so many presumably smart people, who should have the wherewithal to put two and two together.

 

There's a lot of little things like that. Surely, they would wonder why they were building an engine or a giant, detachable set of armor plating; or even what race included those in the first place.

[SwobyJ]

I don't recall Ashley saying anything along the lines of despising the Terra Firma platform, but rather expressing her disapproval of the crowd being attracted. I like the "throw the appeasers out" line one of them started blurting out. As my Shepard technically falls under that heading, arguably one of the very worst for releasing the rachni, I would've loved to see someone try.

 

Paragon, almost by definition, is an appeaser. He faces an enemy and will shoot it if he has to, but he'll side with them (to some extent) if it gets him what he also wants. He'll focus on more (metaphorical) armor, or rather 'shield' durability so that he doesn't lose everything of who he is/was, in the process. He'll work for Cerberus, but not lose his respect for humanity. He'll become a Reaper, but not lose his respect for Shepard.

 

"To pacify or attempt to pacify (an enemy) by granting concessions, often at the expense of principle."

 

At the very least, Shepard is an appeaser if he expresses one negative thing about the enemy, but then appeases them about it the next ("The Reapers need to die!" -- "Okay, I learned something else and now I think they should live and I should control/guide them and the galaxy for our own good."). A pure Paragon at least more likely sticks to their values, I guess, because they rarely view the enemy as an enemy/villain, but more of an opposition or antagonist, or anti-thesis, etc.

 

A Shepard that more frequently claims to protect the Alliance/humanity from dangerous aliens through force of arms, and then releases the Rachni, is technically an appeaser. This isn't automatically a bad thing, depending on what happens with the Rachni later on, but there it is. He learned something new, and he acted on that, instead of prior loyalties (or at least general sense of loyalty/duty).

[KaiserShep]

Pure Paragon gives me diabetes. As for sticking to their values, that's debatable. Wouldn't a more renegade character who embraces the idea that a certain enemy needs to die and nothing else, and follows through in killing the enemy, technically be sticking to his/her values?