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[Argent Xero]

Your obviously referring to Bonus Power which is Rank 6 of Tactical Cloak. If this build were to place 6 points into Bonus Power then you would be unable to put anything into Cryo Blast.

He isn't.

Like I said, canceling cloak early with a power (Cryo Blast) will only result in a 3 sec cooldown, and you will still get Cloak's damage bonus a couple of seconds after you use your power.

so yea, pretty much a free power cast.


Try this on the Drell Assassin, Cloak then launch Recon Mine. It should have a long Cooldown, but using Cloak first and canceling it early will result in only a 3 sec cooldown.

Tactical Cloak's cooldown overrides the cooldown of other powers.

[Alfonsedode]

Don t be too harsh, it s easy to forget things defending a position .

[Excella Gionne]

If you're not host and the host you're on is bad and your cooldown is in the higher negatives, prepare for LOL cloak, 'cause you're gonna have to deal with like a 13 second cloak cooldown.

[Deerber]

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[Born_Strategist]

@ Born

Tactical Cloak, has a base CD of 3 seconds. If you cloak, then use Cryo Blast your CD will only be 3 seconds no matter what weapon(s) you may be using.

(This will only work properly on host of course.)

Sticky Grenades & Fitness can be split 4/4 for a full Cryo Blast.

It would be much more efficient vs bosses, since sticky grenades are for groups of infantry & Phantoms and the last 2 ranks in fitness don't matter all that much because Cloaking shifts the enemy aggro off of you.

Plus Cryo Blast can make a Phantom bubble so you can line up headshots much easier, as well as any other infantry unit.

Just Cloak, Cryo Blast for stagger then shoot. You will still get the damage from Cloak as well as a 3 sec cooldown and the debuff from cryo blast.

All in all, you will benefit immensely from Cryo Blast more than you would with full ranks in fitness and sticky grenades.

If you were to split Sticky Grenades and Fitness to 4 ranks a peace then you would be unable to benefit from the Armor-Piercing and Damage Bonus of the Sticky Grenade while, at the same time, reducing your already minimal defenses. Which begs the question, are you truly gaining anything by making these changes? The answer is no. Your trading one power set for another. There's always going to be a sacrifice.

 

If you choose to play that way then that is your personal preference. You feel as if you need Cryo Blast but not everyone does. Its heavily depended on the individual.

[Deerber]

Born_Strategist... Here's a thought.

 

... Maybe next time before writing an omni-comprehensive guide on *how to play a class in the only right way*... Learn to play the game first, uh?

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

If you were to split Sticky Grenades and Fitness to 4 ranks a peace then you would be unable to benefit from the Armor-Piercing and Damage Bonus of the Sticky Grenade while, at the same time, reducing your already minimal defenses. Which begs the question, are you truly gaining anything by making these changes? The answer is no. Your trading one power set for another. There's always going to be a sacrifice.

 

If you choose to play that way then that is your personal preference. You feel as if you need Cryo Blast but not everyone does. Its heavily depended on the individual.

 

You clearly don't understand cloak mechanics. The "optimal" way to spec a non-sniping HI is 4/6/6/6/4. If you feel you need more HP, slap on a cyclonic.

[Excella Gionne]

If you were to split Sticky Grenades and Fitness to 4 ranks a peace then you would be unable to benefit from the Armor-Piercing and Damage Bonus of the Sticky Grenade while, at the same time, reducing your already minimal defenses. Which begs the question, are you truly gaining anything by making these changes? The answer is no. Your trading one power set for another. There's always going to be a sacrifice.

 

If you choose to play that way then that is your personal preference. You feel as if you need Cryo Blast but not everyone does. Its heavily depended on the individual.

I LOLOLOLOL'd my a** off at this! Sticky 'nades doesn't have armor-piercing until Rank 5b. You sir, need a guide for your guide.

[Argent Xero]

If you were to split Sticky Grenades and Fitness to 4 ranks a peace then you would be unable to benefit from the Armor-Piercing and Damage Bonus of the Sticky Grenade while, at the same time, reducing your already minimal defenses. Which begs the question, are you truly gaining anything by making these changes? The answer is no. Your trading one power set for another. There's always going to be a sacrifice.
 
If you choose to play that way then that is your personal preference. You feel as if you need Cryo Blast but not everyone does. Its heavily depended on the individual.

Why would you need Armor Piercing Sticky Grenades when you have Tactical Cloak & a weapon meant to take on Armor?

4 ranks in fitness work just as well as 6 ranks in fitness. Shield gate is Shield gate, no matter how much extra shields you have.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Why would you need Armor Piercing Sticky Grenades when you have Tactical Cloak & a weapon meant to take on Armor?

 

Why wouldn't you? Stickies do ridiculous armor damage. Too good to ignore.

[Born_Strategist]

I LOLOLOLOL'd my a** off at this! Sticky 'nades doesn't have armor-piercing until Rank 5b. You sir, need a guide for your guide.

I'm afraid your comment makes little sense. Maybe you should read it again.

[q5tyhj]

 

If you were to split Sticky Grenades and Fitness to 4 ranks a peace then you would be unable to benefit from the Armor-Piercing and Damage Bonus of the Sticky Grenade while, at the same time, reducing your already minimal defenses. Which begs the question, are you truly gaining anything by making these changes? The answer is no. Your trading one power set for another. There's always going to be a sacrifice.

 

If you choose to play that way then that is your personal preference. You feel as if you need Cryo Blast but not everyone does. Its heavily depended on the individual.

If you're running a non-sniper build you don't have to sacrifice sticky grenades for cryo blast at all, since the last two ranks of TC are unnecessary (as you're not going to use a sniper rifle), and the last two ranks of Fitness are extremely pointless on a HI, as they still don't put you over the magic 980 threshold for not getting shield-gated by banshee balls, primes, phantoms, marauders, and so on, and you have TC to dump aggro anyways. I can't really think of any reason why you'd do anything other than 46664 on a non-sniper HI, unless you were doing a wacky melee build or something.

[Kislitsin]

1. Human infiltrator is underrated among people like OP, i.e. among PUGs. He is not underrated here for sure (as well as any winfiltrator).

2. PUGs don't read BSN

3. You write "comprehensive guide" for people who now much more than you. Many of us have 1000 and more hours invested. Many have done a lot of gold and plat solos with various kits. Look at the solos with HI at the solo hall of fame and you will understand, that you are misguided.

Do we have new Lucky Engin33r, or even new XXProLuckyEngin33rXX?

[LemurFromTheId]

Sorry Born_Strategist, but it's clear you're not too familiar with the mechanics of TC. Skipping one of the best debuffs in the game - that you cast freely every cloak cycle and that has a lot of other utility, as well - for extra Fitness simply doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

Making a good HI build isn't rocket science. If you're using non-sniper rifle weapons, 46664 is the way to go in the vast majority of cases. Sacrificing 25% multiplicative damage boost for 125 extra health and shields is just plain stupid.

 

(Personally I use 66660 with TC bonus power evo on my Claymore infiltrator. It means I can CB, grenade and shoot twice with Claymore with full combined CB debuff and TC damage bonus.)

[Kislitsin]

(Personally I use 66660 with TC bonus power evo on my Claymore infiltrator. It means I can CB, grenade and shoot twice with Claymore with full combined CB debuff and TC damage bonus.)

I knew I wasn't the only one!

I also use 66660, w bonus power. CB, afaik has an onset delay ~ 1,5 sec and you have no chance to take advantage for both stickies and claymore from CB with conventional 46664.

[Loufi]

I appreciate the effort you did in creating this vid and your gameplay isn't bad OP but unfortunately the misunderstanding of the Tactical Cloak mechanisms showed in your answers discredit greatly your guide.

 

Also... creating a guide for a vanilla human while this game has been released for more than 2 years... it can only be old news, at least on this forum (where the HI isn't underrated, by the way).

 

There's still space to create vids about ME3 MP but your time would be better allocated at showing something more original or harder IMO. I say that without aggresiveness, because you seem to be a good player and the time you have spent to create and edit this vid desserves some encouragement.

[Born_Strategist]

1. Human infiltrator is underrated among people like OP, i.e. among PUGs. He is not underrated here for sure (as well as any winfiltrator).

2. PUGs don't read BSN

3. You write "comprehensive guide" for people who now much more than you. Many of us have 1000 and more hours invested. Many have done a lot of gold and plat solos with various kits. Look at the solos with HI at the solo hall of fame and you will understand, that you are misguided.

Do we have new Lucky Engin33r, or even new XXProLuckyEngin33rXX?

"Underrated" was a generalization. You are a minority in the Mass Effect community. This obviously does not apply to you.

[Born_Strategist]

I appreciate the effort you did in creating this vid and your gameplay isn't bad OP but unfortunately the misunderstanding of the Tactical Cloak mechanisms showed in your answers discredit greatly your guide.

 

Also... creating a guide for a vanilla human while this game has been released for more than 2 years... it can only be old news, at least on this forum (where the Hi isn't underrated, by the way).

 

There's still space to create vids about ME3 MP but your time would be better allocated at showing something more original or harder IMO. I say that without aggresiveness, because you seem to be a good player and the time you have spent to create and edit this vid desserves some encouragement.

How exactly have I misunderstood the "Tactical Cloak mechanism"?

[Olivia Wilde]

My experience with the FQE have taught me never skip Cryo Blast

 

even just three levels makes this a better character

[Loufi]

Didn't you read the ArgentN7's posts ? As she explained, the Cryo Blast cooldown can be hidden by the Tactical Cloak "base" 3 seconds cooldown, what apparently you didn't know based on your answer about the 6,5 seconds cooldown for Cryo Blast.

[T41rdEye]

You should listen to these people. You may think their advice is just their opinion... but it's backed up by knowledge of game mechanics. This community knows their stuff... we've had over two years to accumulate knowledge.

With all due respect, if you're not understanding the TC cool down overriding other powers you need to start reading guides before making them. This along with skipping CB is a sign that you have much to learn. Check out the resource library stickied at the top of the forum.

[Excella Gionne]

My experience with the FQE have taught me never skip Cryo Blast

 

even just three levels makes this a better character

Cryo debuff is too good to pass off, and because it has a low cooldown as well.

[Born_Strategist]

Didn't you read the ArgentN7's posts ? As she explained, the Cryo Blast cooldown can be hidden by the Tactical Cloak "base" 3 seconds cooldown, what apparently you didn't know based on your answer about the 6,5 seconds cooldown for Cryo Blast.

Once again, like many, you have misunderstood and are quick to assume the worst. The 6.5 second Recharge Speed is an exact time length if you were to use Cryo Blast individually with this particular character. Your perception is not reality. It is also important to note that I never said not to use Cryo Blast as most would like to think.

[Ribosome]

Why put 6 ranks into cloak if you're not using a sniper? The damage boost is enough at 4 and this leaves room to max your other two powers. I just can't imagine passing up such an outstanding debuff in favour of a maxed out cloak that's giving no real benefit with the loadout I'm using.

Edit: Wait..what reason would you have to not fire cryo blast from cloak? :S

[Argent Xero]

Why wouldn't you? Stickies do ridiculous armor damage. Too good to ignore .

You're saying this to somebody that skips Cain Mines on the Talon Merc.