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[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Once again, like many, you have misunderstood and are quick to assume the worst. The 6.5 second Recharge Speed is an exact time length if you were to use Cryo Blast individually with this particular character. Your perception is not reality. It is also important to note that I never said not to use Cryo Blast as most would like to think.

What on Earth are you talking about? You cloak, hit cryo blast, then shoot. This way, the cryo blast cooldown is irrelevant. Surely this is a simple enough concept to grasp?

[Kislitsin]

Now waiting for the TSol without marksman guide. Don't forget to mention how underrated he is.

[Born_Strategist]

Why put 6 ranks into cloak if you're not using a sniper? The damage boost is enough at 4 and this leaves room to max your other two powers. I just can't imagine passing up such an outstanding debuff in favour of a maxed out cloak that's giving no real benefit with the loadout I'm using.

Maybe you should go back and watch the video again.

[Sket]

Once again, like many, you have misunderstood and are quick to assume the worst. The 6.5 second Recharge Speed is an exact time length if you were to use Cryo Blast individually with this particular character. Your perception is not reality.

But you don't use it individually, you use it under cloak. You then have a three second cool down. I would never skip cryo blast, but then again, do what you want with your build.

I would have liked to see your video explain the mechanics of sticky grenades though, as they can be devastating when used correctly, decent otherwise.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Now waiting for the TSol without marksman guide. Don't forget to mention how underrated he is.

 

This is actually a viable build.

[Born_Strategist]

Now waiting for the TSol without marksman guide. Don't forget to mention how underrated he is.

You do understand that you are a minority? Right? The word "underrated" was a generalization. But that should be obvious as guides such as this are always intended for the less experienced.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

You're saying this to somebody that skips Cain Mines on the Talon Merc.

 

That's a choice you make though. It's not insane for someone to want to do more armor damage.

[Excella Gionne]

Once again, like many, you have misunderstood and are quick to assume the worst. The 6.5 second Recharge Speed is an exact time length if you were to use Cryo Blast individually with this particular character. Your perception is not reality. It is also important to note that I never said not to use Cryo Blast as most would like to think.

6.5 is not the base cooldown for Cryo Blast. Cryo Blast's base cooldown without any recharge speed bonus is 5 seconds, and that is setting the recharge speed bonus at 0%. You're saying 6.5 is the cooldown on this character, but that is false. If recharge speed is at 200% recharge speed bonus, it will only be 1.67 at Rank 1. If recharge speed bonus is 200%, and you spec into all Rank Bs for range and maximum debuff, the cooldown will be 1.54 seconds. Your 6.5 seconds comes from your weapons and their weight added onto your recharge speed bonus. I don't know what mods you put on your Suppressor besides the magazine extension mod, but both your Crusader and Suppressor along with your picked mods makes Cryo Blast have a 6.5 or longer cooldown. 

[didacuscarr]

I knew this thread is a fail before I opened it.. born strategist my ass.

@Klislitsin
You could TC, SG, shoot, CB(hide reload), shoot all in one TC cycle iirc. Only one shot would not get the CB debuff.

[Excella Gionne]

I knew this thread is a fail before I opened it.. born strategist my ass.

@Klislitsin
You could TC, SG, shoot, CB(hide reload), shoot all in one TC cycle iirc. Only one shot would not get the CB debuff.

You sir, deserve a like for being up front!

[LemurFromTheId]

Once again, like many, you have misunderstood and are quick to assume the worst. The 6.5 second Recharge Speed is an exact time length if you were to use Cryo Blast individually with this particular character. Your perception is not reality. It is also important to note that I never said not to use Cryo Blast as most would like to think.

 

What does it matter how long the cooldown time is? I could be 47 seconds for all I care, it'd still be worth every penny. You cast it when in cloak, and the cooldown's the same four seconds every time (cloak breaks 1 second after CB cast and TC cooldown takes 3 seconds)

[Born_Strategist]

I knew this thread is a fail before I opened it.. born strategist my ass.

@Klislitsin
You could TC, SG, shoot, CB(hide reload), shoot all in one TC cycle iirc. Only one shot would not get the CB debuff.

I believe this individual is attempting to communicate.

[didacuscarr]

Edit: Wait..what reason would you have to not fire cryo blast from cloak? :S

When your cooldown on CB is under 4s(3s TC base cooldown + 1s it takes to break TC). I'd only do that, if it's around 2s or less though.

[T41rdEye]

But that should be obvious as guides such as this are always intended for the less experienced.

The point is you shouldn't be giving lolstrategy advice. You lack basic knowledge about game mechanics that have been known for 2+ years to experienced players.

On top of that you're doing it in this forum...

[Excella Gionne]

When your cooldown on CB is under 4s(3s TC base cooldown + 1s it takes to break TC). I'd only do that, if it's around 2s or less though.

If you're playing almost very lightly like at 190% cooldown bonus or above, it would be odd to use Tact. Cloak to replace a 1-2 second cooldown with a 3 second cooldown, but because it is so routine, it happens rather often than not.

[Ribosome]

When your cooldown on CB is under 4s(3s TC base cooldown + 1s it takes to break TC). I'd only do that, if it's around 2s or less though.

Well yeah, that's a given, but I've not tried the talon on her yet so I havent been faced with those circumstances

I'm still not seeing the importance of ranks 5 and 6 of cloak if using the Crusader...

[Born_Strategist]

6.5 is not the base cooldown for Cryo Blast. Cryo Blast's base cooldown without any recharge speed bonus is 5 seconds, and that is setting the recharge speed bonus at 0%. You're saying 6.5 is the cooldown on this character, but that is false. If recharge speed is at 200% recharge speed bonus, it will only be 1.67 at Rank 1. If recharge speed bonus is 200%, and you spec into all Rank Bs for range and maximum debuff, the cooldown will be 1.54 seconds. Your 6.5 seconds comes from your weapons and their weight added onto your recharge speed bonus. I don't know what mods you put on your Suppressor besides the magazine extension mod, but both your Crusader and Suppressor along with your picked mods makes Cryo Blast have a 6.5 or longer cooldown. 

The 6.5 seconds is correct. The M11 Suppressor is not apart of my recommendation, it just appears in the video on occasion. Maybe you should watch the video again. 

[didacuscarr]

I believe this individual is attempting to communicate.

Nah, I'm just adding my mustard to the discussion.

[Born_Strategist]

Well yeah, that's a given, but I've not tried the talon on her yet so I havent been faced with those circumstances

I'm still not seeing the importance of ranks 5 and 6 of cloak if using the Crusader...

Rank 5 was recommended to reduce Tactical Cloaks already long recharge time in the event that you would overextend it in battle. Rank 6, as stated in the video, is optional for sniper builds. 

[Excella Gionne]

The 6.5 seconds is correct. The M11 Suppressor is not apart of my recommendation, it just appears in the video on occasion. Maybe you should watch the video again. 

It is not. You only see 6.5 seconds because of your current recharge speed. You're not even specifying the conditions on why it is 6.5 seconds. If you aren't utilizing the N7 Hurricane as recommended by your video then why aren't you using it? To be a good strategist, you need to SHOW what you are recommending to your audience. Show your build, show your weapons and the mods you're using to give better examples. Simply listing isn't informative as showing. 

[Kislitsin]

You do understand that you are a minority? Right? The word "underrated" was a generalization. But that should be obvious as guides such as this are always intended for the less experienced.

Do you understand, that BSN community isn't exactly the place where "less experienced" players habitate?

Ok. Lets talk your guide, and why you shouldn't "teach" yet.

1. You constantly talk about one hitting and packing as much punch as you can, while using crusader. You either not very familiar with shieldgate concept, or don't have an access to damage calculators. Either is a sign that you have a lot to learn yourself.
Any kit with good passives (OG Turians, Destroyer) and any winfiltrator can kill (w crusader) any unshielded gold+ mook with one headshot and any shielded mook with two. If you use phasic ammo you can one-headshot-kill gold nemesis with some of those kits. Sexbot, due to the facts that her cloak (last rank) modifies base damage (so phasics will do more damage to the shields) and snapfreeze has a debuff with "damage from all sources taken" property (i.e. even more damage from phasics), can break through the shields of centurion. That is as far as you can go with onehitting w crusader.

2. Cryoblast is simply stoopid to skip. You probably don't understand the multiplicative nature of debuffs. You loose not 25% of base damage, you loose 25% of all damage (CB debuff applies even to ammo damage if memory serves).
Assuming crusader does 800 base damage per shot (it does slightly less) with HI you loose approximately 500 points of damage with each crusader shot (2000 from clip). And if you think doublehits (where crusader excells) you loose aproximately 4000 to 6000 thousand damage with each clip. It's a big deal for bosses.

For example - if you choose duration cloak but spec into CB fully, you will loose less boss damage (where it really matters) in comparison with damage cloak without cryo blast.

3. You talk about piercing mods in terms of armor damage, that's the sign that you barely understand the concept of armor damage reduction, which barely matters for crusader at all. Though you untintentionally modded your crusader in the best possible way, while armor piercing isn't such a big deal, penetration is. And while it's unwise to stack piercing mods on any other shotguns, crusader is a whole another story. I doubt you though (or knew) about double-hits on banshee. You rather demonstrated "armorphobia" so typical for poorly informed players.

While you did a good job recording and editing the vids, your guide is malignant for newer players, as it relies on your understanding of the game rather than on meta mechanics (the thing where newbies really need the guide).

Nothing personal.

[Born_Strategist]

Many are quick to assume that traditional methods are the only way to go. But it should be fairly obvious that the Sticky Grenades are a more viable option if you wish to minimize the time required to secure a kill. Cryo Blast has its uses, but it is far from a mandatory selection. As ArgentN7 stated earlier "Sticky Grenades & Fitness can be split 4/4 for a full Cryo Blast." If you were to take this individuals advice then you would sacrifice a great deal of damage on the Sticky Grenade (Rank 5 Armor-Piercing and Rank 6 Damage).

[Kislitsin]

@Klislitsin
You could TC, SG, shoot, CB(hide reload), shoot all in one TC cycle iirc. Only one shot would not get the CB debuff.

Sticky will not get the CB debuff as well. Though I understand that 46664 is more optimal, I am a bit obsessed with squeezing max damage (even if it's an overkill).

[Excella Gionne]

Armor piercing mods do not add damage to your gun, it simply makes the damage reduction done on armor much less. Crusader doesn't need armor piercing mods unless you want more cover piercing. It doesn't add more armor damage to your gun. 

[Sket]

Many are quick to assume that traditional methods are the only way to go. But it should be fairly obvious that the Sticky Grenades are a more viable option if you wish to minimize the time required to secure a kill. Cryo Blast has its uses, but it is far from a mandatory selection. As ArgentN7 stated earlier "Sticky Grenades & Fitness can be split 4/4 for a full Cryo Blast." If you were to take this individuals advice then you would sacrifice a great deal of damage on the Sticky Grenade (Rank 5 Armor-Piercing and Rank 6 Damage).

No, you drop the last two ranks of cloak and put them into cryo blast. The recharge speed is negligible and sniper rifle damage when not sniping is useless. You're on the official forum for this game, you can either learn, like we all did, or continue pretending you know better. kislitsin's post is a good place to start.

And your guide didn't mention how stickies work, which is mandatory IMO, because beginners will not understand the penalties that go with them, and they probably won't have a Crusader to bypass the issues.