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[MassivelyEffective0730]

"seem" is not a very powerful legal argument.

 

Eh, they aren't going to stop them since said Spectre would likely get them out.

[Xilizhra]

true, but the legal defense would probably be very shaky if charges were brought

Any investigation would turn up the crapload of things Hock stole, and I seriously doubt anyone on his estate would stick their neck out for him after his death. It's possible Kasumi would get in trouble, but that might not even extend beyond Bekenstein.

[DeinonSlayer]

I recall a similar debate at one point. Dug this up, found it interesting.

Crutchcricket wrote...

Deinonslayer wrote...
At the risk of setting the thread on fire, should the Spaniards not have judged the Aztec practice of human sacrifice as an appalling monstrosity (not that I'm defending what they did - we're talking pre-conquest here)? Should the British not have judged the Indian practice of burning women alive with their dead husbands (there was a great quote there - "You say it is your custom to burn widows. Very well, we also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; next to it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom, and then we will follow ours.")? This isn't to say we shouldn't reexamine our own moral principles from time to time - we absolutely should - but what standards should we be expected to apply to any given situation but our own?

It is very much an on-going argument in both the fictional and real-life examples. In terms of the latter, sure most people today condemn human sacrifice, slavery and so on. But the question remains: why are our moral principles superior to theirs? Simply because we're the majority? Because we have the bigger guns, or the economic power to enforce them? Yeah, probably. Morality is subjective and more often than not it's simply majority decision. I have not found any convincing arguments for an objective morality or indeed that the concept even need extend past humanity.

In today's day and age, because equality is itself a concept that's part of the majority's view on morality, we try to allow for other beliefs as long as they don't contradict ours too much. But if they do, watch those other beliefs go poof!

[Xilizhra]

Regarding responsibility, the issue with the geth for me isn't different standards so much as the question "Would they have been capable of understanding that it was wrong when they did what they did, if it was somehow explained?"

[DeinonSlayer]

I used to see it that way, their actions and capacity for understanding similar to the Noverian rachni. Now I see them as understanding and simply not giving a damn, judging by the VI's behavior and commentary. Legion brought back further understanding, enough to make the Geth willing to accept peace.

[Fixers0]

Eh, they aren't going to stop them since said Spectre would likely get them out.

 

Not when the enforcers start arriving.

[Xilizhra]

I used to see it that way, their actions and capacity for understanding similar to the Noverian rachni. Now I see them as understanding and simply not giving a damn, judging by the VI's behavior and commentary. Legion brought back further understanding, enough to make the Geth willing to accept peace.

They may be that way now, but were they at the beginning?

[DeinonSlayer]

They may be that way now, but were they at the beginning?

I believe so, based on the consensus mission. I suspect you'd disagree. Ten pages of headbutting from now, we'll likely continue to disagree. The writers deliberately left things vague to foster debate - that was the only thing they said the one time they addressed the subject on the forum. You tried to steer our PM conversation in this direction yesterday, but I am again not inclined to delve into a lengthy discussion on the topic, knowing from experience the inevitable outcome.

[KaiserShep]

Hah. Nuts to Hock. He's just some lousy crime boss anyway. It's like breaking into scarface's house and offing him. It's as tragic as fumigating for bed bugs.

[Steelcan]

Hah. Nuts to Hock. He's just some lousy crime boss anyway. It's like breaking into scarface's house and offing him. It's as tragic as fumigating for bed bugs.

Bed Bugs are Satan incarnate and should be purged with flame

[KaiserShep]

Get some diatomaceous earth. It kills bedbugs like cheap whiskey kills braincells.

[Excella Gionne]

Oleg Petrovsky...

 

I sure hate his guts... but I don't know how I feel about him...

[themikefest]

I like Petrovsky. Good guy.

[Xilizhra]

I like Petrovsky. Good guy.

I don't kill prisoners. However, since all his offenses were committed against Omega, when the war's over and if I'm in a position to say anything about it, I'll have him extradited to Omega.

[themikefest]

I don't kill prisoners. However, since all his offenses were committed against Omega, when the war's over and if I'm in a position to say anything about it, I'll have him extradited to Omega.

So. I have him replace Hackett.

[Xilizhra]

So. I have him replace Hackett.

Unless you're going to use your Reaper God status to force the issue, I seriously doubt that'd happen.

[themikefest]

Unless you're going to use your Reaper God status to force the issue, I seriously doubt that'd happen.

Whether it happens or not, that is what I would do. You can keep your reaper god staus since I always pick destroy.

[KaiserShep]

So. I have him replace Hackett.

Shepard: I'd like to petition that Admiral Steven Hackett be relieved of his command, and Oleg Petrovsky take his place.

 

Alliance Defense Council:

[Excella Gionne]

Somehow, Petrovsky is kind of sexy... but his defense plans suck! Shepard could have gone one on one with his army and prevail! I stopped a coup on the Citadel. What makes you think you have a chance?

[themikefest]

Shepard: I'd like to petition that Admiral Steven Hackett be relieved of his command, and Oleg Petrovsky take his place.

 

Alliance Defense Council:

He would do a better job than Hackett would. Didn't the whole Alliance Parliment get wiped out? I doubt they would be saying much being dead.

[KaiserShep]

The ones in the prologue would be dead, but like the baking soda in my fridge, they can easily be replaced.

 

I'm not sure I get how he would be any better than Hackett at leading a military organization. Granted, I didn't read the outside source material, so perhaps I missed all the glorious Generalness that poured off his brow and the lightning that shot off his fingertips, but other than playing chess with himself and turning people into adjutants, I wasn't impressed.

[Barquiel]

I wasn't impressed either. The guy's Henry Lawson 2.0. Just with a bit more personal honor. But their plans were the same.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Udina.

 

Otherwise, the characters that I hate I simply just hate (or the writers that wrote them, looking at you Kai Leng).

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Shepard: I'd like to petition that Admiral Steven Hackett be relieved of his command, and Oleg Petrovsky take his place.

 

Alliance Defense Council:

 

 

5 minutes later, this would be the defense council of the alliance:

 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Somehow, Petrovsky is kind of sexy... but his defense plans suck! Shepard could have gone one on one with his army and prevail! I stopped a coup on the Citadel. What makes you think you have a chance?

 

My Shepard would have gone one on one with anything and won, so that's not saying much. 

 

I have a chance because I want Petrovsky on my side, leading the war effort.