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[Saikyo_McRyu]

Stirling in ME1:

Oh yes indeedy. I have spent many rounds shooting at the air around her face after you first meet her on Noveria. The first time I had to fight her in ME1, I actually died a couple of times before retreating back to Lorik Qui'in's office and trying out a shotgun with shredder ammo for the first time. Seeing her body bouncing limply off the wall was hugely satisfying.

That was before I learned to just bring Liara and have her drop a Singularity on Stirling and her goons as soon as they confront you; the resulting baddie and furniture cyclone is priceless.

[DeinonSlayer]

Oh yes indeedy. I have spent many rounds shooting at the air around her face after you first meet her on Noveria. The first time I had to fight her in ME1, I actually died a couple of times before retreating back to Lorik Qui'in's office and trying out a shotgun with shredder ammo for the first time. Seeing her body bouncing limply off the wall was hugely satisfying.
That was before I learned to just bring Liara and have her drop a Singularity on Stirling and her goons as soon as they confront you; the resulting baddie and furniture cyclone is priceless.

When I think of Singularity, I think specifically of all those office chairs swept into the fray. It's so much better than the biotics in ME2/3. I'd trade in biotic explosions in exchange for being able to toss inanimate objects around again.

My favorite "combo" in ME1 was Lift followed by Throw. Batarian gets hoisted up, tossed away and lands on one of the proximity charges a quarter of a mile away. Husk gets hoisted up, then thrown two valleys (a good mile) away. Then you have to hunt it down again because you'll stay in combat stance, unable to return to the Normandy until all hostiles are eliminated...

[ImaginaryMatter]

He would do a better job than Hackett would. Didn't the whole Alliance Parliment get wiped out? I doubt they would be saying much being dead.

 

I don't know, Hackett is pretty good at coordination. He somehow managed to keep the Crucible's location a secret from ME3 Cerberus who other wise knew everyone else's plans. I cannot stress how much aptitude it must have taken to keep a secret from these guys in ME3.

[KaiserShep]

Not only keep it secret, but avoid indoctrinated agents that could ruin the entire plan, though the latter could have simply been pure luck.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Considering the Collectors were planning on eventually targeting Earth, I completely doubt that the Collectors would just be unprepared and weak. They did kind of completely slaughter a Turian patrol flotilla that came across them, and given that their ability to rely on jamming equipment and target neutralization, they'd be able to slip in and out of a colony before anyone knows what has happened. Even if it's within the alliance's claimed territory, more often than not (as ME1 suggests) the alliance isn't there to help you out if trouble shows up at your door. In fact, the Council is reprimanding the alliance for the risks that they've taken after Eden Prime attacked. 

 

It's an indication for much less than stellar competence, considering that it's an existential threat and that they have to have some form of preparation (which they didn't have until much later). Your list of military operations wouldn't change the political and organizational faulting of the alliance that comes into play here. It's an unrelated and irrelevant claim of data. My point stands. The alliance is inept.

 

The problem here seems to be the plot of ME2, which relies on everyone being terrible at their jobs when the story calls for it, including TIM and the Collectors. It seems a waste of energy to argue who is the most incompetent when the real culprit is the plot because it is a jumbled mess.

[KaiserShep]

The Alliance and Council had to be incompetent or uncooperative, or else it significantly weakens Shepard's reasons for aligning with Cerberus. If Anderson said "OK Shepard, say the word and we'll provide you with whatever you need" the Illusive Man would instantly lose on his substantial investment for a lot of players, and all that drama about ties to Cerberus would evaporate instantly.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The Alliance and Council had to be incompetent or uncooperative, or else it significantly weakens Shepard's reasons for aligning with Cerberus. If Anderson said "OK Shepard, say the word and we'll provide you with whatever you need" the Illusive Man would instantly lose on his substantial investment for a lot of players, and all that drama about ties to Cerberus would evaporate instantly.

 

It really is pretty bad. I love ME2 but I have to shut my brain off when playing the main story sections.

 

Honestly, it should have been a continuation of the end of ME1 where everyone begins to come together and lay out plans for what is clearly an actual threat. Instead of resetting the story. I also think TIM is a pretty nifty character but he does seem to have all the depth of a fan-fic character. I still don't understand the reasoning for putting him in the game and elevating Cerberus.

[Fixers0]

The Alliance and Council had to be incompetent or uncooperative, or else it significantly weakens Shepard's reasons for aligning with Cerberus. If Anderson said "OK Shepard, say the word and we'll provide you with whatever you need" the Illusive Man would instantly lose on his substantial investment for a lot of players, and all that drama about ties to Cerberus would evaporate instantly.

 

All the more evidence that Shepard signing on with Cerberus was such a bad idea.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Alliance and Council had to be incompetent or uncooperative, or else it significantly weakens Shepard's reasons for aligning with Cerberus. If Anderson said "OK Shepard, say the word and we'll provide you with whatever you need" the Illusive Man would instantly lose on his substantial investment for a lot of players, and all that drama about ties to Cerberus would evaporate instantly.

 

That is definitely the case, though I'd stay with Cerberus unless I had complete control of the alliance personally (in which case I'd turn them into a large scale version of Cerberus and integrate Cerberus into the highest echelons of alliance leadership), but yes, in ME2, it did require incompetence and uselessness on the part of the alliance. That's one thing I'm saying about the alliance. They're useless because they were written to be useless. This is a power fantasy after all, and they can't be capable of doing anything without one person (the player character) to hold their hand throughout the entire series. That's what the game universe has built. The only person who was in the alliance that could ever get anything done was Shepard.

[KaiserShep]

And that's something I always felt weakened the narrative. The saving grace of these games is the fun of the adventures, combat and characters. Blatant incompetence can sort of break the illusion of the power fantasy. It's like Joe Bauers in Idiocracy. Is he smart, or is everyone dumber than a sack of oranges?

[ImaginaryMatter]

That is definitely the case, though I'd stay with Cerberus unless I had complete control of the alliance personally (in which case I'd turn them into a large scale version of Cerberus and integrate Cerberus into the highest echelons of alliance leadership), but yes, in ME2, it did require incompetence and uselessness on the part of the alliance. That's one thing I'm saying about the alliance. They're useless because they were written to be useless. This is a power fantasy after all, and they can't be capable of doing anything without one person (the player character) to hold their hand throughout the entire series. That's what the game universe has built. The only person who was in the alliance that could ever get anything done was Shepard.

 

A lot of it though I feel it unintended. This is certainly the case for the Collectors, Cerberus, and the Reapers. Either way it really breaks immersion to have Shepard succeed not because he is smarter or more brilliant than everyone else, but because he is slightly less stupid than everyone else.