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#76
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That reminds me. The slave broker in Aethyta's bar. I was shocked to see Renegade Shepard simply issue an empty threat and then give up and watch her tow that girl away. **** would be defenestrated before my Shepard would let that happen.

 

I thought it was the Quarian's fault. She did it to herself and now she's reaping the benefit. I felt the broker was 100% in the right.

 

Then again, I guess I don't have the same issue with slave labor that others have. Or 'indentured servitude'. 



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I thought it was the Quarian's fault. She did it to herself and now she's reaping the benefit. I felt the broker was 100% in the right.

 

Then again, I guess I don't have the same issue with slave labor that others have. Or 'indentured servitude'. 

It ties into my canon Shepard's colonist backstory. Involves getting an obedience wire (that thing Talitha describes) jammed into his brain which had to be surgically removed, watching his sister get dragged away while unable to intervene due to said obedience wire, and finding out on Torfan exactly what becomes of female slaves.

 

My canon Shepard has issues, both with slavery and in general.

 

I like to RP characters who are flawed in one way or another (hence no pure paragons).



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Even my spacer Shepard has an all-slavers-must-die policy, like how no deal is ever made with the batarian underling on X57.


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It ties into my canon Shepard's colonist backstory. Involves getting an obedience wire (that thing Talitha describes) jammed into his brain which had to be surgically removed, watching his sister get dragged away while unable to intervene due to said obedience wire, and finding out on Torfan exactly what becomes of female slaves.

 

My canon Shepard has issues, both with slavery and in general.

 

I like to RP characters who are flawed in one way or another (hence no pure paragons).

 

I play a Shepard that would appear to have issues as well externally. Granted, I treat much more as a boon than a bane though. The one thing my Shepard has that might be construed as a flaw is his apathetic sociopathy for the little people. 

 

By little people, I mean people who don't matter. People who are unimportant are worthless. And as I said, I don't personally see that as a bad thing. I fully admit that my Shepard is as close to an author avatar as I can make him.



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Even my spacer Shepard has an all-slavers-must-die policy, like how no deal is ever made with the batarian underling on X57.

 

My Shepard is practical about slavery: He's only against it if it's uneconomical. 



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I have rather strong feelings on the subject. If my Shepard could murder them all, she probably would. The economy of the matter is of no importance.


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I play a Shepard that would appear to have issues as well externally. Granted, I treat much more as a boon than a bane though. The one thing my Shepard has that might be construed as a flaw is his apathetic sociopathy for the little people. 

 

By little people, I mean people who don't matter. People who are unimportant are worthless. And as I said, I don't personally see that as a bad thing. I fully admit that my Shepard is as close to an author avatar as I can make him.

I won't argue that some are worthless.

 

The problem I see with the "little people" broad brush is that it's a lazy and excessively destructive assumption, figuring people are categorically worthless because one hasn't bothered to calculate how the little cogs keep the big machine running. There are people who are unquestionably of greater accomplishment - greater minds, greater strength, greater worth; in an end-of-the-world scenario, it's a given you'd save the best and brightest, the highly skilled who can rebuild a society before anything else. Elsewhere, I figure as long as one produces more than they (and their dependents) consume, there's no problem.

 

I can tell this is inevitably going to run towards the whole "pre-emptively exterminate anyone who can't find a rifle or a welding torch" thing we've been over many times before...



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Charles Sarachino is so punch-able. He made the one time I kept Ashley alive awesome.

 

 

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Balak. This guy is scum, and dealing with him always feels great.


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I have rather strong feelings on the subject. If my Shepard could murder them all, she probably would. The economy of the matter is of no importance.

 

I have strong feelings on the matter as well. They just lead me to a separate conclusion.



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Charles Sarachino is so punch-able. He made the one time I kept Ashley alive awesome.

 

 

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Balak. This guy is scum, and dealing with him always feels great.

 

Saracino has some good ideas, but he lets overt isolationism get a hold too much. 

 

Balak... 

 

I actually respect the guy. He's a desperate man doing desperate actions. I don't agree with them, but he can see the score and does what he does. If anything, I'd say his biggest problem is how he views Batarians as inherently superior and can't comprehend that they've put themselves in their own mess.


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I won't argue that some are worthless.

 

The problem I see with the "little people" broad brush is that it's a lazy and excessively destructive assumption, figuring people are categorically worthless because one hasn't bothered to calculate how the little cogs keep the big machine running. There are people who are unquestionably of greater accomplishment - greater minds, greater strength, greater worth; in an end-of-the-world scenario, it's a given you'd save the best and brightest, the highly skilled who can rebuild a society before anything else. Elsewhere, I figure as long as one produces more than they (and their dependents) consume, there's no problem.

 

I can tell this is inevitably going to run towards the whole "pre-emptively exterminate anyone who can't find a rifle or a welding torch" thing we've been over many times before...

 

I agree, but the issue is that the majority of people don't produce more than they consume. 

 

I already believe that the people that produce more aren't categorically 'little people'. Then again, I also hold a 'Waters of Mars' era Tenth Doctor view of people. 



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I agree, but the issue is that the majority of people don't produce more than they consume. 
 
I already believe that the people that produce more aren't categorically 'little people'. Then again, I also hold a 'Waters of Mars' era Tenth Doctor view of people.

True. This whole "borrow-money-to-pay-people-NOT-to-work" thing has GOT to stop.

But, yeah, politics. Getting off topic.

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Kai Leng, I think, comes the closest. Generally I either gloss over annoying people, or hate them outright and want them removed from the universe (see Javik). Kai Leng, however, has that mixture of competence, smugness and defeatability that makes dealing with him a somewhat painful thrill instead of just grindingly frustrating like Javik.

 

TIM almost counts, but being frustrated by our inability to work together sort of takes away from that.



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I really felt like the Human First and other folks were focused too much on their racism and not enough on their arguments. Leaders can convince you of the merits of their argument, even if you don't agree with them. Of course, the fact that other races pull of that crap and get away with it without so much as a lecture (looking at you, krogan and asari) makes it worse.

 

Anyway, NPC's that really annoyed me...

 

 

Al-Jilani - Punching her gave her what she wanted. 

 

Aria T'loak - Even before Omega, I didn't like her

 

Han'Gerrel - He didn't strike me as reasonable even during ME2

 

Joram Talid - He doesn't learn his lesson if you spare him, and killing him gives you Renegade points. See again about the racism aspect.

 

YMIR mechs - Stupid bitches

 

Dalatrass Linron - For ignoring the validity of her arguments and acting like a racist, just so the krogan can look good. 

 

Councilor Irissa (new asari concilior) - Complete ******



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Joram Talid - He doesn't learn his lesson if you spare him, and killing him gives you Renegade points. See again about the racism aspect.

He pretty much disappeared from the radar for me after I saved him. Is there some reference to something he does elsewhere in the game should he survive the encounter?



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Saracino has some good ideas, but he lets overt isolationism get a hold too much. 
 
Balak... 
 
I actually respect the guy. He's a desperate man doing desperate actions. I don't agree with them, but he can see the score and does what he does. If anything, I'd say his biggest problem is how he views Batarians as inherently superior and can't comprehend that they've put themselves in their own mess.

Trying to understand this... Balak you find respectable, but Ashley (and, say, Gerrel) is an execrable racist to be put down?

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Trying to understand this... Balak you find respectable, but Ashley (and, say, Gerrel) is an execrable racist to be put down?

 

Yep. Balak's views, though misguided, are partially understandable in that the issues that have arisen due to his race's conflict with humanity could have been experienced first-hand, and definitely within his lifetime. I can see where his anger comes from, and, as I said, I do feel that he needs to take a more objective look at the source of the problems that have gone on. That said, his anger is understandable.



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I really should have made the condition "non-companion" in the OP.

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Can anyone explain to me how the *bleep* Shepard gets away with punching Al-Jilani? Twice? 

 

Thrice?



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Can anyone explain to me how the *bleep* Shepard gets away with punching Al-Jilani? Twice? 

 

Thrice?

 

Spectre, and refuge in audacity. 



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Oh yeah, I forgot politicians in ME are retards by default.



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People here attack Han'Gerrel from showing some actual determination, whereas it is Koris that is the useless polical damp rag and that's being doing nothing but obstruction the real solution for the geth problem.

 

Well, the geth are one of my favorite races in the MEU. When I found out that you could recruit Legion in ME2, I was thrilled. The Quarians on the other hand are my least favorite ME race. I think that explains why Han'Gerrel made my love to hate list :D



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Well, the geth are one of my favorite races in the MEU. When I found out that you could recruit Legion in ME2, I was thrilled. The Quarians on the other hand are my least favorite ME race. I think that explains why Han'Gerrel made my love to hate list :D

 

But hating a man for doing his duty stucks me as rather unreasonable.


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But hating a man for doing his duty stucks me as rather unreasonable.

 

What's the man's duty? Protecting and safeguarding the Quarian race? He did a really great job with that when he charged them into a war with the Geth and refuses to back-down to let cooler heads defuse the situation so that his race might survive. Hackett outright states the man is a war-monger.



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Can anyone explain to me how the *bleep* Shepard gets away with punching Al-Jilani? Twice? 

 

Thrice?

Mass Effect: Shepard is a Spectre

 

Mass Effect 2: As the Shadow Broker vids reveal, everyone does it.

 

Mass Effect 3: Spectre again.