If we ever faced a quarian in this kind of situation, my reaction would be the same.You might as well say that we wouldn't be having this discussion if the merc in question was a quarian. Great argument, really...
Wow. No idea how this went from 'Elnora sucks' to heatedly accusing someone of favoritism between alien species but okay. Right, sounds like you guys got history.
Anyways, I thought she was innocent. When the gun thing happened, that felt like how the salarian workers in Nassana's building drew a gun on me. I like to play paragon Shep and didn't want to gun down those I thought were scared innocent people. After finding that recording that showed shes not only a criminal, but also an arrogant psychopath who enjoys killing and now probably finds herself so cheeky for fooling someone of her innocence, I hate her and I would like to kill her. Atleast there's the comfort of giving the evidence to Anaya.
It's much different, considering that you have fore-knowledge that Nassana Dantius is killing workers in her building, and that many might try to hide or take refuge. The guy was just trying to protect himself and his co-workers. Meanwhile, Elnora is a member of the very organization who's warehouse you're tearing up, and prior to you entering the facility, was in no danger from any of her co-workers.
*sigh* Paragon...
Might I recommend "Dexter," season 1, episode 2: "Crocodile." Can't let yourself be taken in by someone who can stick out their bottom lip and squeak out a few tears on cue. I think it was Zaeed who said despots are cowards.
Liked for Dexter reference.
If you have time to think about killing someone, you have time to die. You don't give her that chance. Kill her.
Yes....Yes, Lord Vader. Now...Kill Him!
If we ever faced a quarian in this kind of situation, my reaction would be the same.
And before you bring up Gerrel, I see no difference between what he did and what Hackett did, blowing up Sovereign right on top of us.
Hackett had little to no knowledge of Shepard's location or if he was still alive, and even then, had Shepard's blessing to go ahead and destroy the Reaper.
I'd honestly call that selective blindness on your part to not see a difference between Hackett and Gerrel in that situation.
And where's the double standard, exactly? I can't even think of a similar situation in the series. My Shepards are more or less pure paragons (80/20 maybe). Many paragon decisions seemed to work on the concept of second chances. Elnora isn't any different.
She's an Asari, so you feel the need to find an excuse for her actions. You have stated in the past that you wouldn't be so forgiving to a non-Asari.
And you're letting a person who's pulling a gun on you to try and get off scot-free a second chance.
Your Shepard is weak.
And I told Gerrel to press the attack. As I've argued before, retreat via relay (Shepard's alternate suggestion) was not feasible.Hackett had little to no knowledge of Shepard's location or if he was still alive, and even then, had Shepard's blessing to go ahead and destroy the Reaper.
I'd honestly call that selective blindness on your part to not see a difference between Hackett and Gerrel in that situation.
If we ever faced a quarian in this kind of situation, my reaction would be the same.
And before you bring up Gerrel, I see no difference between what he did and what Hackett did, blowing up Sovereign right on top of us.
She was all tough bragging about how she killed the Volus and at that moment may of felt invinvcible facing Shepard not realizing it would be a bad idea. Yes she was whimpering, but that disappeared in a hurry
It did seem more like a dumb mistake she made because she was under pressure but okay you raise fair enough points. I'll concede and make an effort to get back on topic for once.
I personally just love to hate Morinth.
It's not so much the gun thing as she's a known murder and there's no option to detain her. Ergo, execution.
She's not a known murderer at that point IIRC. Should there realistically have been an option to detain her (i.e. if you're ignoring gameplay / implementation considerations)? Some people are rather too eager to step over the boundary between killer and murderer, citing pragmatism mostly for self-justification.
"Each Eclipse sister commits a murder to earn her uniform." Execution is justified.
Is that said before then? I don't remember. Even so most civilised societies don't go around condoning the summary execution of even known murderers. The only justification depends upon whether she was a threat to Shepard or not.
It's not so much the gun thing as she's a known murder and there's no option to detain her. Ergo, execution.
It's the gun thing for me. I don't care that she's a known murderer. We don't find that out later. She's a threat, pulling a gun on me.
She could be a child, and if she pulled the gun on me, I would shoot to kill and feel no hesitation, remorse, or guilt. It's me or her. I'm choosing me.
This thread took a fast turn from being fun to utterly humorless. I regret bringing up Elnora 
Back on topic - Warden Kuril (Purgatory Prison) deserves a special Annoyance and Stupidity award in ME2:
Yes, that awkward stare down he has with Shepard over bringing in weapons couldn't have been more obvious foreboding of Purgatory lol. Aside from the torture, the idea of Purgatory is not so bad. And he had to go screw it all up.
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Is that said before then? I don't remember. Even so most civilised societies don't go around condoning the summary execution of even known murderers. The only justification depends upon whether she was a threat to Shepard or not.
It is, by the Volus, Pitne For.
Just before. And again, given that we can't attempt arrest, I'll happily kill her. Same with Balak (who I do arrest incidentally) or anyone else.Is that said before then? I don't remember. Even so most civilised societies don't go around condoning the summary execution of even known murderers. The only justification depends upon whether she was a threat to Shepard or not.
"Each Eclipse sister commits a murder to earn her uniform." Execution is justified.
Reading up on it, all it says it that it is rumored (on Illium at least) that a prospective member must commit a murder. There's no actual verification of whether it's true or not.
It's not so much the gun thing as she's a known murder and there's no option to detain her. Ergo, execution.
Guess who else is a known murderer at this point: Jack, Samara, Garrus, Thane and probably Shepard.
Also this is actually a minor complaint that I have about the ME games. Why does dealing with criminals more often than not boil down to the choice of either letting them go freely or shooting them in the face rightaway? Are they trying to tell me that in a futuristic setting it is absoutely impossible to carry some sort of handcuffs on you and you can't call any police either, even though we see police forces in the games?
It's the gun thing for me. I don't care that she's a known murderer. We don't find that out later. She's a threat, pulling a gun on me.
She could be a child, and if she pulled the gun on me, I would shoot to kill and feel no hesitation, remorse, or guilt. It's me or her. I'm choosing me.
And I told Gerrel to press the attack. As I've argued before, retreat via relay (Shepard's alternate suggestion) was not feasible.
Believe me, I'm not happy about him cutting off comms and I say as such. I'm pretty sure Hackett knows we're alive and where we are, given that Shepard radios in and gives the order to either save the Council or target Sovereign minutes earlier after opening the ward arms. Hackett doesn't try to re-establish contact, he simply orders the attack. I don't hold that against him either. Neither had any idea how long it would be before their respective targets came back online.
As the game suggests, you're incorrect on that count. You're arguing off of non-canon.
This thread took a fast turn from being fun to utterly humorless. I regret bringing up Elnora
Yes, that awkward stare down he has with Shepard over bringing in weapons couldn't have been more obvious foreboding of Purgatory lol. Aside from the torture, the idea of Purgatory is not so bad. And he had to go screw it all up.
I didn't mind Kuril's initial behavior. I looked at it like he's the ruler of his own little empire, and is used to people doing what he tells them. That he gave in so quickly is what got my spidey-sense tingling.
Yes, that awkward stare down he has with Shepard over bringing in weapons couldn't have been more obvious foreboding of Purgatory lol. Aside from the torture, the idea of Purgatory is not so bad. And he had to go screw it all up.
Eh, Purgatory's alright.
At least they're doing torture correctly.
You don't torture somebody for information. It never works as well as you hope, and like a Jedi-Mind trick, it only works on the weak-willed.
You torture somebody for pleasure, to establish dominance over them, to let them know that they are nothing and enlighten them to the worthlessness of their existence. You do it for fun.
This thread took a fast turn from being fun to utterly humorless. I regret bringing up Elnora
Yes, that awkward stare down he has with Shepard over bringing in weapons couldn't have been more obvious foreboding of Purgatory lol. Aside from the torture, the idea of Purgatory is not so bad. And he had to go screw it all up.
Sorry 
This guy was irritating 
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