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[Lexxbomb]

Just for a laugh, did anyone force Alister to mate with Morrigan to produce the Old God Baby and then have him be King... wouldn't that make the OGB the Royal Heir...

[Lebanese Dude]

Yes. Don't know if it means anything though. It would be interesting if we had to place a young boy on the throne if the current monarch dies/abdicates. 

 

We'll see. 

[Oohforf]

That wouldn't make the OGB the heir. He's illegitimate (a bastard), thus excluded from the line of succession.

 

Unless Alistair (or Anora) were to legitimize him, nothing will happen. If Alistair was to even see the child for some reason I doubt he would acknowledge it as his anyway.

[Indoctrination]

I'd be really surprised if the OGB wasn't a mage. (Kind of pointless to be the reincarnation of the old god if you can't do supernatural old god stuff, right? Right.) Mages can't inherit titles of nobility in Ferelden, as far as I know. Someone get the commissioner to turn on the Gaider signal. His city needs him to clarify inheritance rules.

[Indoctrination]

That wouldn't make the OGB the heir. He's illegitimate (a bastard), thus excluded from the line of succession.

 

Unless Alistair (or Anora) were to legitimize them, nothing will happen. If Alistair was to even see the child for some reason I doubt he would acknowledge it as his anyway.

Alistair is an elven blooded bastard and he still made a legal claim to the throne. I don't think parantage matters as much in Ferelden as it does in Game of Thrones.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Alistair is an elven blooded bastard and he still made a legal claim to the throne.

 

We don't know that for a fact. (I mean, he's probably elf-blooded, but we can't be sure without confirmation. He's definitely a bastard.)

 

Also, Alistair has the advantage of not being a mage. A someone already said, I think that's going to sink the OGB's claim to the throne even if there's no legitimate heir.

[Lexxbomb]

Alistair is an elven blooded bastard and he still made a legal claim to the throne. I don't think parantage matters as much in Ferelden as it does in Game of Thrones.

Plus the dominant feature of the Ferelden Royal blood is the inherited dragon blood that runs through it... now the OGB could be seen potentially as the pinnacle of this. Dragon Blood with a Dragon Soul...Heck would even be simple to weave this into the Lore for the future... They could write that Morrigan always performed the ritual without yours or Alisters permission, after all wasn't that her mission the entire time...Could be an interesting issue for BW to tackle.

[Oohforf]

Alistair is an elven blooded bastard and he still made a legal claim to the throne. I don't think parantage matters as much in Ferelden as it does in Game of Thrones.

 

Is it common knowledge that he's an elven blooded bastard? Is that even confirmed? Look at all the trouble Ferelden went through to put him on the throne (if the player went that route). 

 

Laws of succession go beyond ASOIAF too. So far, things seem pretty similar in Ferelden to parts of the real world in history.

[Eudaemonium]

Alistair basically makes Morrigan swear that the kid won't make a claim to the throne when he agrees to it. That isn't to say that the child itself might not make one if he discovered his parentage, but it wasn't really part of the original plan (whatever that was).

[Indoctrination]

Is it common knowledge that he's an elven blooded bastard? Is that even confirmed?. Looked at all the trouble Ferelden went through to put him on the throne (if the player went that route). 

 

Laws of succession go beyond ASOIAF too. So far things seem pretty similar in Ferelden in parts of the real world in history.

It's at least common knowledge that he's not the child of Queen Rowan. The reason why Alistair was raised as Arl Eamon's ward in the first place was to protect Rowan's honour. As for history (especially European history), it's filled with bastard lords. William the Conquerer, king of England, was better known as William "the bastard" during his life time.

[Lexxbomb]

Alistair basically makes Morrigan swear that the kid won't make a claim to the throne when he agrees to it. That isn't to say that the child itself might not make one if he discovered his parentage, but it wasn't really part of the original plan (whatever that was).

yes, but if Alistair doesn't actually produce a child then this kid is by default the heir apparant

[azarhal]

Alistair is an elven blooded bastard and he still made a legal claim to the throne. I don't think parantage matters as much in Ferelden as it does in Game of Thrones.

 

It wasn't a legal claim.  Using Alistair's claim as an argument in the landsmeet is perilous, if your coercion skill isn't high enough. In fact, you can lose by default the Landsmeet by using Alistair's claim followed by Ostagar betrayal as your first two arguments.

[Ellyria]

Plus the dominant feature of the Ferelden Royal blood is the inherited dragon blood that runs through it... now the OGB could be seen potentially as the pinnacle of this. Dragon Blood with a Dragon Soul...Heck would even be simple to weave this into the Lore for the future... They could write that Morrigan always performed the ritual without yours or Alisters permission, after all wasn't that her mission the entire time...Could be an interesting issue for BW to tackle.

 

Except if you didn't have the DR happen then Warden/Alistair/Loghain dies and one of the side effects of the DR is that nobody's soul is destroyed to kill the Archdemon. Besides, Gaider already said if you didn't do the ritual then there's no OGB.

[Oohforf]

It's at least common knowledge that he's not the child of Queen Rowan. The reason why Alistair was raised as Arl Eamon's ward in the first place was to protect Rowan's honour. As for history (especially European history), it's filled with bastard lords. William the Conquerer, king of England, was better known as William "the bastard" during his life time.

 

William pressed his claim though, and won England through conquest. Edward the Confessor promised it to him, since a king can do anything, and partly used that as justification. But he died, and there were others. He wouldn't have been King of England if he stayed in Normandy.

 

It would be kinda...O.O...to see Morrigan leading armies to press her son's claim to the throne. And kinda funny, thinking of what would come after.

[Lexxbomb]

William pressed his claim though, and won England through conquest. Edward the Confessor had to promise it to him, since a king can do anything, and used that as justification. But he died, and there were others.

 

It would be kinda...O.O...to see Morrigan leading armies to press her son's claim to the throne. And kinda funny, thinking of what would come after.

Which is why I thought of it, and as I said, Bioware could easily change the background to include it... its not like they haven't changed the background drastically before to create a truly established Lore - Look at Revan in SWTOR MMO

[Andraste_Reborn]

You think they'd chance the background (after bothering to build the Keep, mind you) so that Alistair always has sex with Morrigan the night before the battle? Including an Alistair who's in a romance with the Warden, or an Alistair who has left the party, or an Alistair who's dead?

 

Yeah, I don't see that happening.

[King Cousland]

Morrigan specifically tells Alistair that she has no desire for her child to take the throne. Even if the OGB did press a claim, they'd have to be approved by the Landsmeet. Given the division over whether Alistair as a bastard should become king (there was even some grumbling over Cailan's accession - many thought Bryce Cousland was a more suitable candidate) I doubt it'd happen. 

 

After Alistair/Anora's death (provided they both die childless) I think we'll end up with a Cousland or a Guerrin on the throne. 

[Wulfram]

William won England through conquest, but he inherited Normandy through blood right.  Attitudes to bastard's succession rights varied, but they could usually attract some support in the right circumstances. 

 

A legitimate child of Alistair would trump him in most circumstances, as perhaps would a child of Anora.  But in the absence of either of those things, and the apparent absence of other people of Theirin blood, his claim looks pretty credible should it be pressed.

 

(But I'd vote for Fergus)

[Schreckstoff]

That wouldn't make the OGB the heir. He's illegitimate (a bastard), thus excluded from the line of succession.

 

Unless Alistair (or Anora) were to legitimize him, nothing will happen. If Alistair was to even see the child for some reason I doubt he would acknowledge it as his anyway.

Alistair was never legitimized...

[Heimdall]

It's at least common knowledge that he's not the child of Queen Rowan. The reason why Alistair was raised as Arl Eamon's ward in the first place was to protect Rowan's honour. As for history (especially European history), it's filled with bastard lords. William the Conquerer, king of England, was better known as William "the bastard" during his life time.

Why do you think he invaded England?  He wanted a better nickname.

[Jupiter79]

I think Morrigan has bigger plans for the OGB than Ferelden, something to counter Flemeth. 

[mikeymoonshine]

We have discussed this before. There are too many obstacles, for one thing almost nobody even knows about the OGB so if Alistair doesn't recognise him as his son then he's not even going to have a claim in the eyes of the nobility. We have to remember that Alistair had Eamon to back him and very specific circumstances. 

[JEMEDAOME2]

That wouldn't make the OGB the heir. He's illegitimate (a bastard), thus excluded from the line of succession.

 

Unless Alistair (or Anora) were to legitimize him, nothing will happen. If Alistair was to even see the child for some reason I doubt he would acknowledge it as his anyway.

 

Alistair is also a bastard don't forget and bastards became kings all the time (William The Conquer springs to mind) plus I reckon the OGB would be about 10 now only 6 years needed till he would be considered a man in place like ferelden if Morrigan needs to or wants do she could place the OGB on the throne