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[WardenWade]

This is just speculation based on some comments I've seen here in the forum and elsewhere

 

In this interview, Cameron Lee mentions that following (spoiler tag just in case)

Spoiler

the explosion at the Temple of Sacred Ashes that kicks off DAI, decimating peace talks between Chantry and mage leadership, the Chantry is in chaos and some advocate returning to Val Royeaux to elect a new leader.  It remains to be seen, but this may mean electing a new Divine.

 

Do you think it could be Leliana?  Do you think it might be a decision we may be able to weigh in on in some way, if so?  And, additionally, do you see the Warden's relationship with her--whether romantic, friendly or otherwise--being significant to this in any way as, per E3 info , who the Warden romanced will be a major import decision?

 

Thanks for any thoughts on this!

[caradoc2000]

Do you think it could be Leliana?

I doubt this, she is not a cleric, not ordained in any way. She was just, as Sten puts it, a houseguest at the Chantry.

[WardenWade]

I doubt this, she is not a cleric, not ordained in any way. She was just, as Sten puts it, a houseguest at the Chantry.

I was wondering about this, too.  She is not a cleric, but she is a Hand of the Divine and a close friend to Justinia.  I wonder if it would make a difference, as Dorothea was made Divine more or less on Beatrix's say-so alone (IIRC) despite a lot of controversy over her past..?

[caradoc2000]

As the head of a church, the Divine is supposed to lead the theological debate in Thedas, so relevant education is likely required. The hands of the Divine seem to be more agents/messengers/enforcers.

[Pateu]

Considering Leliana goes around telling people the Maker Himself spoke to her, no.

 

That alone would make her seem arrogant/crazy enough to not be chosen, not to mention she has no qualifications whatsoever for such a position.

[WardenWade]

Considering Leliana goes around telling people the Maker Himself spoke to her, no.

 

That alone would make her seem arrogant/crazy enough to not be chosen, not to mention she has no qualifications whatsoever for such a position.

 

 

As the head of a church, the Divine is supposed to lead the theological debate in Thedas, so relevant education is likely required. The hands of the Divine seem to be more agents/messengers/enforcers.

That makes sense   I'd been considering it as a possibility given that qualified Chantry personnel of any kind might be in short supply and, as the Inquisition itself appears to really get underway under extraordinary circumstances and the Inquisitor may in some ways be the least likely candidate themselves, unlikely leaders might emerge in troubled times.  Justinia seems a bit unorthodox to me, as well.  

 

However it comes together, it will be interesting to see how the Chantry fares.  Thanks for your input on this

[caradoc2000]

Justinia seems a bit unorthodox to me, as well.

Perhaps, but she was still a bona fide cleric.

[Basement Cat]

I don't see it happening. On top of the reasons already brought up, Leliana doesn't strike me as someone who would do well in a leadership position. She has trouble figuring out her own identity (the hardening choice in DAO), so imagine if she had to make decisions that would affect millions of people.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Assassin as divine the equivalent of the Pope?Sorry but divine is rather head of chantry (well just to look pretty) they won't take shady assassin and bard as their religious leader... She might be left hand of divine but it hardly matters her job is shady as well not official and it is job that divine woudn't admit to others.

 

It would be like breivik becoming pope...

[KC_Prototype]

Naw, she doesn't want to be the new Divine when the world is in chaos. She sees joining the Inquisition as the better option at least right now.

[WardenWade]

Perhaps, but she was still a bona fide cleric.

Very true   It's a definite sticking point.

[wcholcombe]

The fact that he says "may " leads me to hope that Justinia is not in fact dead.......

[Eveangaline]

That would be even sillier than the promotion that got her the current job she has.

[WardenWade]

The fact that he says "may " leads me to hope that Justinia is not in fact dead.......

That's a good point.  I like Justinia quite a bit, personally, and maybe it's more a case of her leadership being questioned, like a threatened impeachment, rather than disaster?

[WardenWade]

Thanks all for your input on this, as well.  It's a speculation I'd been toying with and I appreciate the discussion

[Gervaise]

When he says it may be necessary to elect a new Divine, I don't think that implies that Justina is not dead but that it just may not be seen as important.   How the Chantry come through the events is largely going to be up to the Inquisitor.   However, if you recall Sebastian's horrified reaction that the Maker would allow that to happen to Elthina, imagine the impact it is going to have on the faithful that the Maker would allow that to happen to the Divine.   Couple that with the fact that the Circles have fallen and mages and Templars are running out of control, plus it is literally raining demons from the skies, and you could have a real crisis of faith.   Remember what happened to the faith in the old gods following the First Blight and then the rise of Andraste.    Granted you could encourage people to renew their faith in the Maker by putting their trust in the Inquisition - since green hand indicates Maker's blessing - but you could just as easily deny any divine intervention and consign the Chantry to the sidelines - no longer a political or spiritual force across the width of Thedas.   If it is reduced to simply a locally important religion where people still follow it, then there is no need for a Divine.

[BloodyTalon]

Hopefully not, she is the left hand of the divine which isn't a full good thing and not a priestess or anything.

[Queen of Evil]

I doubt she's going to becomethe new devine. But perhaps,and I'm still skeptical of such a thing occurring, her voice might carry some weight in the decision for a new devine. Seeing as she is one of the best people around to understand the devine's wishes for the chantry. Perhaps. The inquisition influences her decision making but again, I'm doubtful.

[Feybrad]

End the Chantry. End Orlais. Everything for the Qun.

 

And when Leliana mucks up, it's the Murder Knife for her (although I'd love to see my Warden coming back and kicking my Inquisitor's Ass for doing that...)

[Beliar86]

Considering Leliana goes around telling people the Maker Himself spoke to her, no.

 

That alone would make her seem arrogant/crazy enough to not be chosen, not to mention she has no qualifications whatsoever for such a position.

 

Not only does she hear voices in her head "from the maker", but those voices specifically ostracized her for having views that goes directly against chantry teachings.  It's heavily implied to be the result of torture, but that's not really shown in Leliana's song.

 

In fact her craziness hasn't been touched in DLC, DA2 or an DA:I promotional stuff yet, combined with getting a high spot in the chantry, I'm thinking it has been retconned and this point may be moot though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not only does she hear voices in her head "from the maker", but those voices specifically ostracized her for having views that goes directly against chantry teachings.  It's heavily implied to be the result of torture, but that's not really shown in Leliana's song.

 

In fact her craziness hasn't been touched in DLC, DA2 or an DA:I promotional stuff yet, combined with getting a high spot in the chantry, I'm thinking it has been retconned and this point may be moot though.

Or she simply isn't crazy.

[Wulfram]

Leliana in DA:O has got too many doubts to be crazy.  She simply had a weird dream, and interpreted it through the prism of religious belief and her own desires.  Nothing crazy about that.

 

I doubt she mentions the "vision" very much now, even unhardened.  She's generally kind of embarrassed about it, and it's no longer especially relevant.  And she doesn't need a new one to get her fighting the new threat, because she's already playing an active part in the world.

[Eveangaline]

I wonder if I can get promoted to pope if I run around doing non-religious jobs for the Catholic Church....

[Ascendra]

I wonder if I can get promoted to pope if I run around doing non-religious jobs for the Catholic Church....

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Besides i think it will be too much like Liara becoming Shadow Broker. And we already have one super special snowflake which is Alistair (I love both of them btw)