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[wcholcombe]

This comes from another thread and I thought of it while replying to, but quite simply I have a lot more trust in Flemeth then I do in Morrigan.  While not nearly as talkative as Morrigan, I personally feel Flemeth has been far more honest in what she has said then Morrigan has ever come close to being.

 

In fact after recently replaying DAO and DA2 I have come to the decision that if-and this is only comes in response all the forum speculation-one of these two characters turns into a villain in the DA series, I am quite confident it will be Morrigan and not Flemeth.

 

I don't know why other then I have never felt Flemeth to be misleading or even truly manipulative.  Sure she sometimes has a price for her help, but she always pays her part of the bargain. Plus, in several instances including Stolen Throne she actually tried to warn characters about future dangers.

 

I don't know, I guess I see Flemeth as being more a force of Nature rather then someone who is actually going to be an enemy at some point.  She exists, she has her interests, but I don't see her ever taking an active hand in amassing power or control, it all just seems beneath her.

 

Morrigan on the other hand....I see as being extremely manipulative and dishonest all the way around.  I am not saying I think she will ever be a true villain perse' but if one of them had to be I would guess her.

 

I actually see them as more likely being two different players and entities that you encounter throughout the series.  Neither being a party member or even a primary player, but two people on the sidelines that you can choose to help one or the other in their goals. 

 

Anyway time for this rambling mess to end.  Have a nice day!

 

 

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I'd trust Morrigan more.  If only because she would be slightly easier to kill if I was wrong.

[KC_Prototype]

Morrigan since she was a companion and an LI. Flemeth is the ultimate wildcard and manipulator and you could actually fight her. 

[vortex216]

I trust Morrigan way more. After being a companion, I think I got to know her well. I'm not saying that she doesn't have an secret agenda, but if she does it can't be that bad... right?

[Pateu]

Morrigan, no doubt.

[wcholcombe]

I find this surprising.  Flemeth has never lied to or betrayed you. Morrigan has done both, but we find her more trustworthy?

[TheKomandorShepard]

I find this surprising.  Flemeth has never lied to or betrayed you. Morrigan has done both, but we find her more trustworthy?

Well to be honest as far we know morrigan never lied you as well...

 

Not mention that flemeth is one who created morrigan and send her with that mission so well is morrigan is evil flemeth as well because morrigan wasn't nothing more that flemeth created in dao...

[SwobyJ]

Morrigan. She's sneaky but will probably be the most well-meaning. Flemeth will probably be even more blunt and truth-telling, but have worse designs on the world. Or it is subjective. Whatever

[Pateu]

I find this surprising.  Flemeth has never lied to or betrayed you. Morrigan has done both, but we find her more trustworthy?

 

She sent Morrigan with the Warden full knowing that they will do the Dark Ritual.

 

She then planned to possess a pregnant Morrigan and take the kid for herself.

[LobselVith8]

I find this surprising.  Flemeth has never lied to or betrayed you. Morrigan has done both, but we find her more trustworthy?

 

It can be an issue of trust. Character-wise, my Surana Warden loved her, and ultimately trusted her, even though she held some things back. A comic by Gaider and Aimo also addresses that Morrigan cared about the protagonist (which is what leads to the 'Dark Ritual' in the case of The Warden either being her one true friend, or love interest), so it's not as though it was one-sided.

 

Hopefully, neither Morrigan nor Flemeth will wear a black hat; I would prefer them to be gray, with their own agendas, as opposed to being clear-cut villains.

[Feybrad]

Flemeth. By Virtue of her looking thrice as awesome as Morrigan (well, in DA2 at least) and because she, as you said, seems to be more honest. In Addition, I feel like she is much more open minded than Morrigan, especially in origins. While Morrigan has this annoying social Darwinist Thing going on and is dismissive of everyone and everything, Flemeth seems merely cynical and world weary. And in 2 she appears absolutely benevolent and not sinister at all. Quite frankly, I can even see Flemeth in the Role of a "Big Good" Thingy for the Dragon Age Franchise as whole. A very dark interpretation of a "big Good Thingy", but that would only fit Dragon Age. her most major Flaw so far is in my Eyes Education - for all intents and purpouses she raised a Kid in Morrigan that was absolutely and completely screwed up. Flemeth should not raise Kids.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Can't say I trust either. Both have some cryptic agendas that we know nothing about, I'd find it hard to put any faith in either of these people.

[wcholcombe]

It can be an issue of trust. Character-wise, my Surana Warden loved her, and ultimately trusted her, even though she held some things back. A comic by Gaider and Aimo also addresses that Morrigan cared about the protagonist (which is what leads to the 'Dark Ritual' in the case of The Warden either being her one true friend, or love interest), so it's not as though it was one-sided.

 

Hopefully, neither Morrigan nor Flemeth will wear a black hat; I would prefer them to be gray, with their own agendas, as opposed to being clear-cut villains.

Agreed, thats why I said I actually think they will both be sideline characters the rest of the series much as Flemeth has been so far.  They may have competing agendas with each other, but neither will be the antagonist.

 

She sent Morrigan with the Warden full knowing that they will do the Dark Ritual.

 

She then planned to possess a pregnant Morrigan and take the kid for herself.

As far as we know the possessing Morrigan thing was largely a myth or something Morrigan herself didn't even understand.  There was nothing in anything to confirm Morrigan's fears, and for all we know could have been a manipulative power play by morrigan to try to remove and obstacle.  Also, to my knowledge has it been confirmed that Flemeth was involved in the whole DR plot?  I thought that was something Morrigan found in Flemeth's Grimoire?  Been working too many hours, need sleep.

[LobselVith8]

As far as we know the possessing Morrigan thing was largely a myth or something Morrigan herself didn't even understand.  There was nothing in anything to confirm Morrigan's fears, and for all we know could have been a manipulative power play by morrigan to try to remove and obstacle. 

 

Her sister, Yavana, tells King Alistair (when he brings up Flemeth possessing her daughters) that it's a "gift".

 

Also, to my knowledge has it been confirmed that Flemeth was involved in the whole DR plot?  I thought that was something Morrigan found in Flemeth's Grimoire?  Been working too many hours, need sleep.

 

Morrigan said it was the reason Flemeth wanted Morrigan to accompany the Wardens (the night before the march to Denerim).

[BlazinAces30]

I would believe that Schrödinger's cat can talk before I would trust either Flemeth or Morrigan

[Former_Fiend]

I don't trust either of them.

 

I'd probably side with Morrigan, though, because Claudia Black's voice can convince me of damn near anything.

[Naktis]

If you are warden then its clear who.

 

But if you are inquisitor , and so much time passed...NONE. We dont know whats going on with Morighan after child birth.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'm going to be treating this game as a "fresh start," in other words with as little meta-gaming as possible.  My lady Cadash isn't going to trust either of them as far as she could throw them at first.  Morrigan has been shown to be in the game quite a bit, so my Quizzy could grow to trust her over time.  Even my Warden, as close as she was to Morrigan, never entirely trusted her.  Flemeth is going to ring even more alarm bells, and I doubt we'll see her very much.  

[goofyomnivore]

I trust Morrigan more because I got to know her through the Warden. However as a neutral character I might trust Flemeth more, because she has been around for a long long long time, and if she wanted to end the world or take it over I would assume she would of done it by now.

[Morroian]

Definitely the Morrigan I romanced and went through the eluvien with.

[Schreckstoff]

Well personally I have no opinion on that but my Warden... let's just say he could kiss her even if she were the Mother Confessor, if you know what I mean.

Hawke doesn't know Morrigan but he is smart enough to be wary of Flemeth.

I guess Morrigan will play nice at the start but as my Inquisitor is going to be very cynical not much.

[Blueforge88]

You can't really trust either, because both have secret agendas. However, I think Flemeth has events figured out even before they happen. 

Flemeth clearly has history with the world and has powers that, even some darkspawn cannot rival. I believe she planned for certain events to happen and plays the lesser evil as her plot plays out. She also raised and trained Morrigan which goes to show that, even Morrigan cannot underestimate her plans.

 

Morrigan however, seems to think she knows about Flemeth's "master plan", or relates it to the warden in a way that seems menacing. The two seem to be playing a "game" with each other but, I think both want the same thing in the end. Flemeth however, is older and wiser than Morrigan which, is why she seems less surprised when the warden comes to kill her and even has a backup plan should she lose the fight. I think Morrigan is a bit ahead of herself and tries to make up for it by directly manipulating events. I forsee Flemeth lying low until, the time to strike as has come and Morrigan's plans blowing up in her face.

[Wolfen09]

morrigan, flemeth has way too much experience over the years of manipulating people in power to do things she needs done...  maybe not evil actions, but morrigan has a shorter track record and therefore is a little easier to predict and trust in my opinion