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[TheKomandorShepard]

Mages are not one faction people. There are going to be many leaders at this thing because Rhys and Fiona would not work together at all as they would clash nonstop. It makes sense there are many mage factions and their leaders along with the Divine are there and they all die.

 

If Fiona survives the blast....

Well as i said fiona may not be there in place because as you said mages will probably split on groups and some mages will try on their own.To be honest sooner i can see there aequitarians and/or loyalists than libertarians with fiona who wanted rebellion in first place.

[Black Jimmy]

I'm fairly convinced that Fiona and The Divine are definitely going to be there.

Which is a shame considering I was looking forward to meeting both of these characters.

Other than that, killing off anyone seems wasteful to me. At least in a quick explosion.

[CapivaRasgor]

Strangely enough it is almost as if Anders' bomb was meant to have triggered the whole thing but then someone realised that killing Elthina wouldn't be enough to push everyone over the edge, nor even the annulment of the Kirkwall Circle.    It did seem very much a foreshadowing though.      The Grand Cleric died, the First enchanter died and the Knight Commander died - so the heads of all factions were suddenly removed as the result of a magical explosion.

 

Scroll on to the start of Inquisition.  There is an enormous magical explosion (hell it must be big for thousands to die in it).   The Chantry loses its leadership - so Justina is definitely gone.   I'm sure I heard (or read) that the other factions lost their leadership too at the same time.   Makes sense if this was a peace conference.    So by rights it should be Fiona and whoever replaced Lambert.      In Asunder, Adrian was practically joined at the hip to Fiona and always seems to want to get herself involved if anything big is going on, so there is a good chance she might have gone with Fiona.

 

However, I doubt Rhys and Evangeline would be there.   Fiona had said she would work to the majority decision.    If a peace conference has been called and Fiona is in attendance, it is because the heads of the Fraternities agreed to it.   But I very much doubt they would all go too in case it was a ploy to trap them.   They would stay back at Andoral's Reach or wherever they had moved on to, to await developments.     When news comes back it is going to be very fragmented and confused.   Both sides will probably end up blaming the other and thus it becomes a free for all.   

 

Note: May be Cole comes to the Inquisitor on behalf of Rhys to find out about the Inquisitor's intentions, or even without Rhys' knowledge but still with Rhys' interests at heart.  

 

 

I just had a look at the quote from Cole.   It sure looks as though something has happened to Rhys and Evangeline since he says he misses them and they were his friends (past tense).    However, it could just be that they have gone into hiding and he doesn't know where to find them.   He didn't go to Andoral's Reach and he might even assume that Rhys and Evangeline died at the peace summit, without actually knowing it for a fact.

 

Back at that age news didn't travel fast. It would be months or years before an accurate report of events made it through one country to another. Remember how Cassandra's knowledge of the Kirkwall crisis was way off until she interviewed Varric? And said interview happened 3 years after the event. 

 

And I agree with you, Cole's quote does allude to the possibility of Rhys and Evangeline being either dead/presumed dead/missing.

 

Mages are not one faction people. There are going to be many leaders at this thing because Rhys and Fiona would not work together at all as they would clash nonstop. It makes sense there are many mage factions and their leaders along with the Divine are there and they all die.

 

If Fiona survives the blast....

 

This. In fact I'm kinda hoping for Rhys and Evangeline not showing up at all, being either dead or MIA, especially after the disappointing portrayal of Kai Leng and Kaleeh Sanders in ME 3 but what you said makes sense, Though I'm under the impression that the most reasonable sides of each side will die at the summit and thar will provoke the extremists into war.

[Former_Fiend]

I'm just thinking that Adrian and Evangeline won't be there. They aren't...stabilizing elements. Adrian is essentially a weaker, less reasonable version of Fiona, and as such, Fiona has no need of her at the summit.

 

Evangeline, like I mentioned earlier, isn't part of the leadership and her presence could do more harm than good, through no fault of her own. 

 

It makes sense for them not to be there. Doesn't make sense for Rhys or Fiona not to be there. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, Rhys could always stay back because while high up the ranks, he isn't the top echelon of his fraternity.

 

And Fiona I can see be expecting something wrong to happen and send representatives instead. Plus she knows she can be somewhat...abrasive and that's not really good for peace talks. 

[AresKeith]

I'm just thinking that Adrian and Evangeline won't be there. They aren't...stabilizing elements. Adrian is essentially a weaker, less reasonable version of Fiona, and as such, Fiona has no need of her at the summit.

 

Evangeline, like I mentioned earlier, isn't part of the leadership and her presence could do more harm than good, through no fault of her own. 

 

It makes sense for them not to be there. Doesn't make sense for Rhys or Fiona not to be there. 

 

If Adrian doesn't show up at the Summit then my suspicion of the Mages in RedCliffe seems more plausible to me

[Arisato]

I'd prefer if they do appear they're offed at the start or just not in the game at all.  Not trying to sound like a dick i just don't like it when characters are plopped into the game and i'm expected to know them, except i don't because i've never read the books.  Blizzard was and probably still is terrible for doing that.  If we're given a proper introduction the character and it's explained who they are and why they're at the summit that's fine, just not hi it's me from the books remember!?.

[GVulture]

I'm just thinking that Adrian and Evangeline won't be there. They aren't...stabilizing elements. Adrian is essentially a weaker, less reasonable version of Fiona, and as such, Fiona has no need of her at the summit.

 

Evangeline, like I mentioned earlier, isn't part of the leadership and her presence could do more harm than good, through no fault of her own. 

 

It makes sense for them not to be there. Doesn't make sense for Rhys or Fiona not to be there. 

Agreed. She won't be speaking on behalf of the Templars, because she isn't one by the end of Asunder.

 

I highly doubt Templars will be there at all

Spoiler

with Cole stabbing their leader a few months prior

 

So, it makes more sense that this is a Chantry/Mage summit and has The Divine trying to bring the mages "back into the fold" so that the whole reason for the Templar/Chantry split will be moot and THEY will stand down as well. What is left of the Templars, anyways...

 

 

If Adrian doesn't show up at the Summit then my suspicion of the Mages in RedCliffe seems more plausible to me

Like Adrian not being at the Summit and everyone dying will make her go full Heel Turn and start burninating things out of revenge?

[Former_Fiend]

Well, Rhys could always stay back because while high up the ranks, he isn't the top echelon of his fraternity.

 

And Fiona I can see be expecting something wrong to happen and send representatives instead. Plus she knows she can be somewhat...abrasive and that's not really good for peace talks. 

 

At the same time, Fiona deciding not to show up looks very suspicious on her part. Properly paranoid, no doubt, but it does cast suspicion on her, even before things go wrong.

 

I'd expect her to show up partly as an act of good faith(We're sending our leader so you send yours) and partly because I can't imagine her trusting anyone else to negotiate agreeable terms.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

At the same time, Fiona deciding not to show up looks very suspicious on her part. Properly paranoid, no doubt, but it does cast suspicion on her, even before things go wrong.

 

I'd expect her to show up partly as an act of good faith(We're sending our leader so you send yours) and partly because I can't imagine her trusting anyone else to negotiate agreeable terms.

True, but Fiona has always been more about practicality than caring what others think. I see her as being someone who thinks "I'd rather appear paranoid and live than appear trusting and die". 

[GVulture]

At the same time, Fiona deciding not to show up looks very suspicious on her part. Properly paranoid, no doubt, but it does cast suspicion on her, even before things go wrong.

 

I'd expect her to show up partly as an act of good faith(We're sending our leader so you send yours) and partly because I can't imagine her trusting anyone else to negotiate agreeable terms.

If she did decide she wasn't the best representative... she would send Rhys. Didn't she do precisely that in Asunder?

 

"People sometimes think I am a bit of a grinch. You go and talk to that fraternity for me." (Paraphrased, of course)

 

Or was that Adrian?

 

((ETA: Apparently you can't write a three letter word for boob. Weird. That means we can't quote Sera's daft-******~ line...))

[AresKeith]

Like Adrian not being at the Summit and everyone dying will make her go full Heel Turn and start burninating things out of revenge?

 

That or the mages we saw that seems like they teamed up with the Venatori could have been her Fraternity

[Former_Fiend]

True, but Fiona has always been more about practicality than caring what others think. I see her as being someone who thinks "I'd rather appear paranoid and live than appear trusting and die". 

 

But she's also someone who's more about being headstrong than practical. "I'm the woman for this job; I'm the leader, I need to lead."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But she's also someone who's more about being headstrong than practical. "I'm the woman for this job; I'm the leader, I need to lead."

And that is exactly why I think she wouldn't go. She sees herself as the person needed to lead the mages through their war of revolution. She would not risk herself at a peace conference but instead send someone to act as a proxy. 

[GVulture]

And that is exactly why I think she wouldn't go. She sees herself as the person needed to lead the mages through their war of revolution. She would not risk herself at a peace conference but instead send someone to act as a proxy. 

That depends on how sincere the summit was portrayed, if the Divine was there... I don't think even Fiona would snub the Divine. Especially not in light of the Divine trying to support them even before the Templar Schism

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Did Asunder itself imply that the Mage Rebellion was about to begin to fractionize?

[GVulture]

I got the impression that even mages that didn't want freedom were now dragged into it.

[Former_Fiend]

At the end of Asunder, the six hundred or so mages that had gathered together voted based on fraternity whether to fight or surrender, with the agreement that all would abide by the decision. The Loyalists, Lucrosians, and Isolationists all voted to surrender, while the Aequitarians and Libertarians voted to fight; together, they slightly outnumbered the other three fraternities.

 

So there is a clear divide among the mages over what they want to do, but the impression from the end of Asunder is that despite that, they're sticking together, for now. 

[AresKeith]

I got the impression that even mages that didn't want freedom were now dragged into it.

 

I thought it was said that some mages stayed loyal like some of the Templars and Seekers

[Master Shiori]

All the fraternities were gathered at Andoral's Reach to vote on the issue of separation from the Chantry. The question is how many of those mages will remain with Fiona's rebellion? Especially, since not all of them wanted to split from the Chantry and may be unprepared for life outside the Circle.

 

The rebel mages no longer have access to resources that were once readily available to them. They need to find a way to take care of basic needs (food, water, lyrium and anything else they need to just survive, let alone fight against the templars) of hundreds of people. Unless Fiona can quickly set up the needed logistics, I can see mages slowly but surely leaving her side and going back to the Chantry, until the rebellion completely falls apart.

[Altima Darkspells]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if the leaders themselves were present. Sending your leaders to a summit is a good way to get them betrayed and murder.

[HiroVoid]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if the leaders themselves were present. Sending your leaders to a summit is a good way to get them betrayed and murder.

We already know the Divine was there.

[BlueMagitek]

More importantly, I'd like to see the divergence from my playthrough where Shale and Wynne did not make it.