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Other than Cassandra, what other females have been confirmed for male inquisitor romances? 

[Allan Schumacher]

I'm going to be usurping control of the thread here a bit because I have some questions....

 

 

How does having an opinion on what the design/romancing choices are make me entitled?

 

What do you think it means?

 

 

(note, I removed the last line of your post as it's unnecessary)

[Allan Schumacher]

Not sure what you're asking?  I means that I have an opinion? I'm not demanding Bioware change anything with the game, but it doesn't mean I can't express what characters appeal to me and what others don't.

 

I probably shouldn't have said that last statement, (the one you removed) but the poster in question got me a bit upset. Trying to spark gender-based arguments and making sweeping generalizations over harmless opinions.  

 

More the aspect that you feel you're being accused of being entitled.  Why do you think someone feels you're arguing from an entitled position?

 

Yes you're upset.  I see several upset people in the thread though, and as such things are starting to escalate a bit.

 

 

I'll share my thoughts more about what I've observed and why things are where they are in this thread, but I'd prefer to not influence your answer.

[Allan Schumacher]

I see a whole lot of "you"s and infinitives in that post if wasn't supposed to be directed specifically at us and "straight male gamers" in general, and the statement isn't relevant to what was otherwise being discussed at the time.

 

I'd say the post is a "royal you" because the interaction evolved in speaking with a variety of different people.  Further, as a straight male myself, I don't really take offense to the accusation.  That said, I find the women attractive, both physically and they seem interesting (though I have more context in this regard).1

 

 

The issue is the greater context, and it's important to realize where it all comes from.  There's also posters (whom I won't specifically call out) that retreated to this thread after causing trouble in other threads.  But as I notice the following:

 

Your original point was that "us" male gamers shouldn't "whine" because you think it makes "us" sound ungrateful for unspecified advantages, none of which has anything at all to do with the topic of the thread, much less is any of your business.

 

This is typically said to women (and gays and lesbians and so on).  Maybe not be you, but if that's the case then I think there's a reasonable argument that the criticism isn't directed towards you.

 

 

For Christ's sake, nobody is gutted and this was never supposed to be a pity-fest. We were discussing and exchanging our feelings about each potential LI for males

 

Unfortunately I am seeing fatalism and assumption (never mind a failure to recognize that the person you quoted was responding to someone that used the word gutted - but hey you're getting upset and you're lashing out... a lot of people are doing it this thread).  Like, I don't get the person that I think I know little about but I think is kind of hot and this makes me frustrated.  You resist the idea of someone like Cassandra because you don't think Cassandra is likeable or interesting?  I mean, "you want better if you want to care about romances in the game."  You certainly giving off the impression that you're frustrated because you've concluded none of the possible romance options will be interesting to you.

 

 

In general this happens in all the threads, by all sorts of people.  I get frustrated by it because I dislike the superficial judgement of people in general.  It also makes an assessment that the romance content is going to be innately unappealing based on this superficial assessment.  Psychologically, if you go into the game feeling this way... you'll be sabotaging your game experience. 

 

 

With respect to entitlement though, here's an unfortunate reality about romance content.  There's always going to be people that straight up don't like any of the romances that are available to them.  Because it's impossible to make romance content that appeals to every single person.  Hopefully it's not you, but it might be.  I think that your dismissal of the other women for potential love interests from earlier posts, however, is premature.

 

Especially in a thread that contains something like the following: "It's interesting that apparently both bi and gay companion characters are now mandatory from here on out. Seems a bit forced of forced pandering if you ask me."  (a statement that literally infuriates me)

 

Yes, I can understand that that statement is going to make people upset.  "You're making content for those people?  Jeez it's so forced pandering."  Complete with the implication (or lack of self-awareness) that straight men have been pandered to for so long.  If you were to ask me, the thread was a time bomb the moment that statement got made.  It was inevitable that people were going to come in and be upset about that.  And when people get upset, they're going to be cavalier with their use of the term "you."

 

 

Here's another line: "One gets the feeling that several people are gleefully happy that straight guys aren't happy with their romance options."

 

No, people occasionally have moments of schadenfreude, however, since they've been told several times in the past that they should be grateful for what they got since they aren't the primary demographic.  It's a failure to understand what motivates a comment like that.

 

 

Sera being female only romance wouldnt be a problem if there was a similar character for a m/f romance, but there isnt. It also doesnt help that Sera is the best looking female by far (perhaps not for all but for the appearent majority)

 

m/f options are atm downright bad or meh

 

Problematic.  And I disagree.  It's unfortunate if someone is upset that they can't romance Sera because Sera seems interesting.  But sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.  At this point the best I can suggest is hope that the romances you do get end up being appealing for you, and most importantly: be okay with the realization that they might not be.

 

 

The funny thing is that people seem to think that Sera is the "Betty" type character, but there's no guarantee that she's that.  She could very well be quite headstrong herself.

 

 

So yes, some of the royal you comments might not have been specifically targeted towards you as a person, but I can understand why they made people upset enough to write said posts.  And it's been escalating.

 

 

Haven't yet seen any explicit anger over the reveal of Sera's orientation

 

Well then I guess I did a good job of deleting most of it then....  It's out there, and there's lots and lots of it.  Which started to result in escalation because of schadenfreude, complete with people drawing a picture of Sera drinking from a mug of man tears.  Which tossed more gas on the fire, but I'm disinclined to say that the problem is the people drawing the pictures, but rather those that laid the foundation of being completely unsympathetic towards gay and lesbian gamers in the past.  Including myself (Baldur's Gate 2 times).

[Allan Schumacher]

As I continue reading this thread it's gone way too off topic about racist themes and a misunderstanding of a lot of points in general, and basic lack of perspective.  It's why I asked the question.

 

If people want to talk about why I disagree with me closing it, send me a PM.

 

 

Thread closed because I think people in general need a time out.