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[Fialka]

Apparently some People fear that their rather ... howdoIsaythat ... headstrong Personalities will not be appealing to them.

 

*snip* Because LENGTH

 

Also, this Post ended up ridiculously longer than I planned.

 

Great post!  Definitely articulated a lot of what I've been thinking, but haven't had the patience to figure out how to write.  Puts things into perspective nicely.

I think most people that don't think Vivienne will be a LI are just going by exclusion. Most people were assuming it would be 2/2/2 and a lot still are. With Cullen confirmed, it was assumed Scribbles would even out the count, so only two companion females would make the cut. Two are already confirmed, so there's no way it could be Vivienne under that system. With the race gating, I think it's possible we're bumped up to 8 (maybe more, but I'm less convinced of that) and that could mean Vivienne is back in.  

Yeah, everyone likes to throw around the Romance Fraction of Doom.  Though everything I've read from the devs so far suggests it'll be all over the map, both because I believe someone said exactly that, and also because it sounds like some of the romances were added in for specific characters becasue it would make for a good love story.  All that's been confirmed is that there will be at least one option for every race/gender combo.  Makes me doubt things will be an even spread.

[Feybrad]

Oh, I'm soooooo sick of being told that the reason I don't like some women must be that I can't handle strong, individual personalities in general.

 

I'm not saying any Individual is, I am just exploring the potential Reasons for the "Concern" especially straight male, and to a lesser extent, straight female Fans have about the Situation of the Romance Options in the currently revealed State.

[Vegeta 77]

I can see cass straight no evidence thats she likes women. Viv scribe girl bi.

[fiveforchaos]

Apparently some People fear that their rather ... howdoIsaythat ... headstrong Personalities will not be appealing to them.

 

To explain it better: until now, Dragon Age always had a pretty clear cut between the two female Romance Options available to the male Player Character - akin to the Difference between Betty and Veronica: The "Betty" Character is often a more romantic Option, focused on her Attraction to the Hero, while the "Veronica" Character seems to be more sexual, focused on the hero's Attraction to her. "Betty" is more willing to accept the Hero's Opinion, while "Veronica" demands the hero to accept her Opinions. Note that "Betty's" Attraction to the hero is usually more romantic in Nature, while the Hero's Attracton to "Veronica" often has a more sexual Aspect...

Wow very well written and articulately put. Though as far as male characters go, what about Varric? I mean, that guy's pretty much the epitome of the "betty". Personally I think Cass might turn out to be quite the Betty, she's a hardass but she also strikes me as the type who might form crushes and not know how to deal with them. She'll probably be much more respectful of the Inquisitor's choices than some other companions at least, she just seems like the sort of person who's capable of being a little flexible with their world views when an authority figure demands it of them. 

[Fialka]

Apology accepted. Sorry for stating it so forcefully, then, my girlfriend always chews me out for that as well.

 

 

 

Oh, my bad. Thank you.

 

 

 

Oh, I'm soooooo sick of being told that the reason I don't like some women must be that I can't handle strong, individual personalities in general.

I don't think that's what it's about at all... Both Leliana and Merrill, while fitting the "Betty" role, based on that post, were strong individuals in their own right, they just approached romance in a different way.  And it wasn't really directed at you, i think, just male gamers in general.

 

And I can see where you're coming from, as far as not being interested in Cass or Vivienne in a romantic sense.  Hell, even I wonder how well my pro-mage, anti-circle Inquisitor will get along with them.  And I can see why Scribbles might be off-putting just by her appearance.  Because, puffy sleeves and a top-knot are, well... hm.

[Feybrad]

Wow very well written and articulately put. Though as far as male characters go, what about Varric? I mean, that guy's pretty much the epitome of the "betty". Personally I think Cass might turn out to be quite the Betty, she's a hardass but she also strikes me as the type who might form crushes and not know how to deal with them. She'll probably be much more respectful of the Inquisitor's choices than some other companions at least, she just seems like the sort of person who's capable of being a little flexible with their world views when an authority figure demands it of them. 

 

F**k. I KNEW I would forget SOMEONE. And the most important one at that! You are right, Varric would be a clear cut "Betty" in my Opinion. However, he is a Dwarf, meaning some People might not find him as attractive as they would've wished.

 

And I agree, I expect Cassandra to turn out as quite the "Betty", however, there just seems little evidence except the "she is a secret romantic" bit. Which concerns people, even those who can overlook her more masculine Style.

[Maria Caliban]

Both Leliana and Merrill, while fitting the "Betty" role, based on that post, were strong individuals in their own right...

DA:O was Leliana was not a strong individual. Her hardening/not hardening is her asking the Warden who she ought to be and then just molding herself to your desire.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think it's really fair to say Cullen and Cassandra are equivalents. Cassandra is more like Justice was in personality. She's extremely high on the demanding side and it's very difficult to get her to see another point of view. Almost all representation we've seen of her, from Dawn of the Seeker, to DA2, to her feature in the trailer, is of her threatening someone, being highly distrustful and pushing the boundaries of acceptable force when the target is being totally compliant, generally being what I'd consider over the top in hostility and aggression. On the other hand, Cullen is largely soft spoken and is mostly pliable when pushed. The most he puts up a fight is in telling you not to spare the mages in DA:O, and even then he folds pretty easily. He never comes close to threatening the warden. In DA2, he repeatedly folds to Hawke's wishes without much of a fight, up until the end when he supports Hawke against Meredith regardless of your choices. He's almost never angry, he hardly yells. He's more often being sappy about how hard a choice the templars have to make than he is being aggressive towards anyone in particular. He's basically a beta male that's shown to be incredibly awkward around women. 

 

Cullen and Cassandra may be from the same faction and have similar belief sets, but I don't think they present themselves in a particularly similar way.  

[Fialka]

DA:O was Leliana was not a strong individual. Her hardening/not hardening is her asking the Warden who she ought to be and then just molding herself to your desire.

True, i was thinking more of her religious view and morals and such, where she's willing to leave the comfort of the Chantry to follow a complete stranger based on her hope that she can make a difference.  And she will attack you based on certain actions, friend or no... Though I believe that's only if you don't harden her.  

[fiveforchaos]

I don't think that's what it's about at all... Both Leliana and Merrill, while fitting the "Betty" role, based on that post, were strong individuals in their own right, they just approached romance in a different way.  And it wasn't really directed at you, i think, just male gamers in general.

 

It's not even male gamers in general, female gamers have their own Betty vs. Veronica preferences as well. Take a look at fem!Shep's romance options in Mass Effect for some prime examples, Garrus and Thane in particular come to mind. And... to go outside of gaming, I hate to use Twilight as an example, but Team Edward vs. Team Jacob was pretty much built on this dichotomy.

[Panda]

I don't get why m/f options seems to be so highly discussed and worried topic. It's not like BW has declared that they are going to have more f/f, m/m or f/m options than m/f one's in the games so I'd think that so far everyone is in same boat, just wondering who their quizzy will have to romance (expect for Sera). Everyone worries options who they will be given, it's not like all f/m, m/m or f/f LI's are going to please everyone (I doubt they will do every character LI's so someone's favorite will be left out).

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Just a curious question, Why do people assume that Cassandra will only like guys and mentions DA2?

 

IMO, I think she will be the Straight option Just want to know why DA:2 factors in.

[Vegeta 77]

Just a curious question, Why do people assume that Cassandra will only like guys and mentions DA2?

 

IMO, I think she will be the Straight option Just want to know why DA:2 factors in.

And why do you think she will like women there is no proof she likes them.

[Feybrad]

Just a curious question, Why do people assume that Cassandra will only like guys and mentions DA2?

 

IMO, I think she will be the Straight option Just want to know why DA:2 factors in.

 

Varric assumes after Act 2's Conclusion that Cassandra has a Crush on male Hawke.

 

And why do you think she will like women there is no proof she likes them.

 

Cassandra herself admits to admiring female Hawke as a Woman who has made something of herself, at the same Opportunity.

 

 

And that gets People on these Forums thinking and assuming.

[Larask]

Just a curious question, Why do people assume that Cassandra will only like guys and mentions DA2?

 

IMO, I think she will be the Straight option Just want to know why DA:2 factors in.

One of the main reason is because Varric says that she may have crush on male Hawke after she comments that the battle against the Arishok was "romantic". The thing is that she says that for male and female Hawkes. So for me that's not much evidence of anything.

[Vegeta 77]

Varric assumes after Act 2's Conclusion that Cassandra has a Crush on male Hawke.

 

 

Cassandra herself admits to admiring female Hawke as a Woman who has made something of herself, at the same Opportunity.

 

 

And that gets People on these Forums thinking and assuming.

Still there is a diffrence between a crush and hero worship. Why does bioware have varric say to diffrent things cause maybe she only likes men.

[Vegeta 77]

One of the main reason is because Varric says that she may have crush on male Hawke after she comments that the battle against the Arishok was "romantic". The thing is that she says that for male and female Hawkes. So for me that's not much evidence of anything.

Varric says hero worship if its fem hawke.

[ThomasBlaine]

I don't think that's what it's about at all... Both Leliana and Merrill, while fitting the "Betty" role, based on that post, were strong individuals in their own right, they just approached romance in a different way.  And it wasn't really directed at you, i think, just male gamers in general.

 

And I can see where you're coming from, as far as not being interested in Cass or Vivienne in a romantic sense.  Hell, even I wonder how well my pro-mage, anti-circle Inquisitor will get along with them.  And I can see why Scribbles might be off-putting just by her appearance.  Because, puffy sleeves and a top-knot are, well... hm.

 

Well, it's not exactly a flattering assumption of male gamers in general, either. If you ask me, "Betties", as in non-extreme characters, are just naturally easier to get along with if you're not an extremist yourself, and being an outsider looking in, that's hard for gamers. "Veronica"s tend to need some stronger and more engaging attraction to make getting used to them and accommodating them worth it, and if they don't have that then they're, by definition, not very attractive in any realistic sense. It makes perfect sense for gamers to want there to be an option that isn't by necessity an acquired taste.

[Feybrad]

Still there is a diffrence between a crush and hero worship. Why does bioware have varric say to diffrent things cause maybe she only likes men.

 

I dIdn't say I think that. I am assuming she is straight, actually, but "unfortunately" these Comments seem enough for some people to list them as "Evidence" for what cassandra might prefer or not prefer.

[Panda]

Still there is a diffrence between a crush and hero worship. Why does bioware have varric say to diffrent things cause maybe she only likes men.

 

It might be only Varric's own assumption though as well ^^; Anders didn't sound intrested of men in DA:A but was in DA2 so I think there is still as good possibility for Cass to be bi as there is her to be straight.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

To those who answered my question, Thank you. I understand. I could never get around to playing male in DA:2 due to my love of F.Hawke and Isabela so I didn't know. ^^

 

Thank you helpful BSNers.

[Feybrad]

Well, it's not exactly a flattering assumption of male gamers in general, either. If you ask me, "Betties", as in non-extreme characters, are just naturally easier to get along with if you're not an extremist yourself, and being an outsider looking in, that's hard for gamers. "Veronica"s tend to need some stronger and more engaging attraction to make getting used to them and accommodating them worth it, and if they don't have that then they're, by definition, not very attractive in any realistic sense. It makes perfect sense for gamers to want there to be an option that isn't by necessity an acquired taste.

 

I do not think anyone actually is decrying that some People wish for a "Betty"-Option. I myself usually prefer them. It doesn't have to do anything with "flattering" or "unflattering". No one is judging People who are not content with the current Perspective on Romance Options and people who do judge are usually mostly looking for Fights.

[azarhal]

Still there is a diffrence between a crush and hero worship. Why does bioware have varric say to diffrent things cause maybe she only likes men.

 

Going by how the characters have personalities and beliefs, Varric says something because Varric believes something. In this case, it would be that he expect women to "fall in love" over his male characters and hero worship his female ones (Varric knows nothing about Cassandra beside her name and that she worked for the Chantry). In other word, it suggest that Varric share the point-of-views of a straight man more than anything else...

[Vegeta 77]

I dIdn't say I think that. I am assuming she is straight, actually, but "unfortunately" these Comments seem enough for some people to list them as "Evidence" for what cassandra might prefer or not prefer.

True but there is is still no evidence she likes women. And there is only two female squad options left so its a good chance she or viv is straight .

[Vegeta 77]

Going by how the characters have personalities and beliefs, Varric says something because Varric believes something. In this case, it would be that he expect women to "fall in love" over his male characters and hero worship his female ones (Varric knows nothing about Cassandra beside her name and that she worked for the Chantry). In other word, it suggest that Varric share the point-of-views of a straight man more than anything else...

True but there have been hints she likes men but none about women.