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#176
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well back to topic

 

do you think there are there only going to be 2 romance options for guys or more?

 

straight:

likely Cassandra

 

bi:

likely Vivienne

 

 

Scribbles has often been mentioned as possible LI, but is there any basis for that? Also yes I still want Sera. So "Want to trade Vivienne for Sera" :P

 

Dorian is a confirmed heterosexual option for men. Beyond that, it's pure speculation I'm afraid, at least for now. I don't mind Sera joining the other team, and I wouldn't mind Vivienne doing so either. Or Cassandra, for that matter. About Scribbles... it'd sort of make sense dramatically for her to be Vivienne's antithesis, given that she's the "other" black, apparently Orlesian woman in the main cast. But no, there's no actual basis for anything about her.

 

 

 
First of all, that's not even remotely close to the example I gave. Second, that's also not even remotely close to what has happened in this thread. If you are that desperate to paint yourself as a victim then it's obvious nothing I will ever say to you will make you realize what my original point was anyway.

 

And to answer your question, no I wouldn't be offended.

 

You decided that you supposedly not being offended by colored people generalizing about white ones must mean that I don't have any right to be offended when you generalize about straight males and include me personally in it. I just applied that conclusion to, yes, exactly what happened in this thread. And if you don't think you'd be bothered by a treatment like that then you're either wrong or beyond the point of logic, because you'd have every right and reason to be.

 

I do consider myself that irritated to be treated like a bigot, thank you, and it's also not my job to make your points for you. If you so dearly want to make everything about whatever point it is you're trying to make then start a thread where it's directly relevant.



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Actually for a straight male its going to be Cassandra either bi or straight.

 

So the other choice is either Vivienne or Scribbles as the other option for a straight male, either being straight or bi.



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Cassandra and Vivienne! Or Cassandra and Scribble. OR Cassandra, Vivienne, and Scribbles!
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Actually for a straight male its going to be Cassandra either bi or straight.

 

So the other choice is either Vivienne or Scribbles as the other option for a straight male, either being straight or bi.

 

We don't know if there'll be more than 3 potential LIs for each gender, but yes, those seem to be the stakes so far.



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Going to rewrite my post as Maria's post is the options to be seen. :)



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Cassandra and Vivienne! Or Cassandra and Scribble. OR Cassandra, Vivienne, and Scribbles!

 

I'd like to see the last option.  Mostly because I hate the people that have been spewing 2/2/2 nonsense with no facts to back it up.  Though honestly as a straight male gamer, I don't see the appeal in any of the female companions so far.  I am just holding out hope that Varric is available to female Dwarves and that we get a good VA for the female Inquisitor.



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Actually 2 and 2 together.  DA2 had five, this one has more, meaning no less than 6. Also stated by a Dev somewhere there will be more than one option for each person. In effect causing the 2/2/2 to happen though not sure about the 2/4/2.

 

Cassandra is bi or straight option as she is confimed. The other one would be one of the other two then. Otherwise, its given if only one of each then Cassandra would be the straight romance if only doing one choice.

 

Brillant, so we're looking for a bisexual and two heterosexuals more from each gender. I'm already getting a headache.



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hmm if its a 2/2/2 split then Scribble might be the likelier LI over Vivienne, because she would mirror the Cullen NPC romance



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Yep, that is the cue. Sorry I probably should rewrite that back into my post now that I changed it too late. :)

 

Yeah the minimum romances is six, since DA2 had 5. 2/2/2 is fair for all, and yes Scribbles would be more possible since Cullen is confirmed. Less they do 2/4/2, then Viv and Scribbles will be a choice.

 

Kingthlayer, fact of interviews which I cant link here at this time had stated more than any previous title which that number is five, meaning its a fact we will see no less than six. Five isn't more than previous titles. Its where the 2/2/2 is generated from. Also stated by a dev somewhere I cant find (at work is why), that there is more than one option for each.



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I am still not happy with the possible choices

 

DA:O had 2 great LI's with Lelianna and Morrigan and DA2 was also good with Isabella and Merril. Its all subjective ofc but compared to them I just cant get excited about DAI LI's so far



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I am still not happy with the possible choices

 

DA:O had 2 great LI's with Lelianna and Morrigan and DA2 was also good with Isabella and Merril. Its all subjective ofc but compared to them I just cant get excited about DAI LI's so far

 

It's disappointing that Morrigan and Leliana are both in Inquisition but can't be ploughed by the Inquisitor even if they were left alone in Origins.  My first import is with a Queen of Ferelden Warden who flirted a bit with Leliana but finally decided she wanted the power of being queen instead of Leliana and went with Alistair.  Both Leliana and Morrigan should be available to the Inquisitor IMO.

 

It also doesn't help that Leliana's model is far, far, far, far(I can add a million more fars but I think my point is made) attractive than the other female characters.



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scribbles: too little is known but similar looks to vivienne so meh also not a companion so you cant take along with you


How can you say she has similar looks to Vivienne when we haven't even seen a close up of her face yet. The only thing that looks similar between them is their skin color.

This sentence reeks of side eye worthy implications.
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How can you say she has similar looks to Vivienne when we haven't even seen a close up of her face yet. The only thing that looks similar between them is their skin color.

This sentence reeks of side eye worthy implications.

 

seriously are you seeking out things to be offended?

 

http://img4.wikia.no...ion_members.png

 

profile of both of them looks similar to me, yes no close up available so I judge from what we have, also both have silly orlesian outfits. try to stick to the discussion instead of some imaginary witchhunt



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How can you say she has similar looks to Vivienne when we haven't even seen a close up of her face yet. The only thing that looks similar between them is their skin color.

This sentence reeks of side eye worthy implications.

 

Well, the skin color and the very impractical-looking clothes, although the styles look completely different, so Scribbles might be from somewhere else than Orlais but just as foreign. Given that those are also Vivienne's two most obvious characteristics and none of the other characters have either, though, it's a fair observation without any inherent bigotry.



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seriously are you seeking out things to be offended?

http://img4.wikia.no...ion_members.png

profile of both of them looks similar to me, yes no close up available so I judge from what we have, also both have silly orlesian outfits. try to stick to the discussion instead of some imaginary witchhunt

Fair enough. I assumed it was based on skin color alone, and since I already am jumpy enough as it is about subjects like these due to personal experiences, that was my bad. Thanks for clearing that up.

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misunderstandings seem pretty rife on BSN ^^

 

I mentioned it earlier but no that explicitly. A main reason why I am not excited about Scribbles is because she is not a companion. I always take my LI as often as possible with me in the party, which is not possible with an NPC and therefore she and Cullen are of little interest to me. Its just not the same if you cant adventure together.



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It's disappointing that Morrigan and Leliana are both in Inquisition but can't be ploughed by the Inquisitor even if they were left alone in Origins.  My first import is with a Queen of Ferelden Warden who flirted a bit with Leliana but finally decided she wanted the power of being queen instead of Leliana and went with Alistair.  Both Leliana and Morrigan should be available to the Inquisitor IMO.

 

It also doesn't help that Leliana's model is far, far, far, far(I can add a million more fars but I think my point is made) attractive than the other female characters.

Really? I find the other ladies much more attractive than Leliana, especially Vivienne :D


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I ran out of likes and want to like yours SweetShowguness. 

 

I don't see them similar myself. I find Scribbles to be attractive. Though I prefer not going by appearances. :)



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Though honestly as a straight male gamer, I don't see the appeal in any of the female companions so far.


Not to worry! I'll take them all off your hand and find a nice home for them.
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Would be nice if bioware could give us at least one confirmed straight romance for us cass or viv.



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Honestly I vote for making Dorian female. he is good looking, has sarcastic charm and is one of the few good guys in a "evil" empire. He is a homerun no matter how you look at it. I also dont think he'd mind the sex change.

 

Not to mention he has a better fashion sense than Vivienne.

 

 

Ofc I wouldnt want to deprive anyone of a m/m romance, so I'll generously trade a genderswaped Vivienne (same dress tho)



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I think there's an excellent chance that Cassandra is not ladies only.

We know she's a love interest, she was planned on being one from the start, and I'm not seeing them making two of the female companions gay.

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I am sorry to see that people are being dismissive of Vivienne, Cassandra, and Scribbles on what seem to be pretty frivolous reasons. Really? Their outfit? I thought it was silly that Fenris didn't wear shoes but that still didn't stop me from romancing him 4 out of 4 Hawkes.

 

That said, I am happy to see that there aren't any High School School Girl Romances this time. I am as tired of that trope as I am the Dead Loved One trope. I am sorry for the people that prefer that, but I have never been able to get behind any of those (sorry Liara... apologies Tali... Best Wishes Merrill... I just... can't)

 

Of course, I could be wrong and Scribbles could be the sweet. Or even Cassandra. Maybe she gets all blushy and shy about crushes. WHO KNOWS? 

 

That said, I know the pain of having no one to choose from. I remember back in the day, there were NO LGBTA romances and ONE OR NONE for heterosexual ladies. Baldur's Gate 2 had three...count em THREE romances for the men. The ladies... had Anomen. Ugh. And half of a abandoned romance for Haer'Dalis.

 

They didn't even bother editting out the beginning of the cut romance that is how bad women had it. Here is this interesting bard, who is saying sweet things to you, flirting with you and then suddenly...

 

[cue silence]

 

That was a romance plot for a female Child of Bhaal.

 

So, I feel bad if you feel like you don't have any good choices, but...

 

At least you have some.



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haha I remember Anomen, oh yes that was bad .

 

I would put Merril more in world-naive-scholary column and not the highschool kind. and she was adorable. The banter with Varric/Isabella/Merril in a group was great



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I see a whole lot of "you"s and infinitives in that post if wasn't supposed to be directed specifically at us and "straight male gamers" in general, and the statement isn't relevant to what was otherwise being discussed at the time.

 

I'd say the post is a "royal you" because the interaction evolved in speaking with a variety of different people.  Further, as a straight male myself, I don't really take offense to the accusation.  That said, I find the women attractive, both physically and they seem interesting (though I have more context in this regard).1

 

 

The issue is the greater context, and it's important to realize where it all comes from.  There's also posters (whom I won't specifically call out) that retreated to this thread after causing trouble in other threads.  But as I notice the following:

 

Your original point was that "us" male gamers shouldn't "whine" because you think it makes "us" sound ungrateful for unspecified advantages, none of which has anything at all to do with the topic of the thread, much less is any of your business.

 

This is typically said to women (and gays and lesbians and so on).  Maybe not be you, but if that's the case then I think there's a reasonable argument that the criticism isn't directed towards you.

 

 

For Christ's sake, nobody is gutted and this was never supposed to be a pity-fest. We were discussing and exchanging our feelings about each potential LI for males

 

Unfortunately I am seeing fatalism and assumption (never mind a failure to recognize that the person you quoted was responding to someone that used the word gutted - but hey you're getting upset and you're lashing out... a lot of people are doing it this thread).  Like, I don't get the person that I think I know little about but I think is kind of hot and this makes me frustrated.  You resist the idea of someone like Cassandra because you don't think Cassandra is likeable or interesting?  I mean, "you want better if you want to care about romances in the game."  You certainly giving off the impression that you're frustrated because you've concluded none of the possible romance options will be interesting to you.

 

 

In general this happens in all the threads, by all sorts of people.  I get frustrated by it because I dislike the superficial judgement of people in general.  It also makes an assessment that the romance content is going to be innately unappealing based on this superficial assessment.  Psychologically, if you go into the game feeling this way... you'll be sabotaging your game experience. 

 

 

With respect to entitlement though, here's an unfortunate reality about romance content.  There's always going to be people that straight up don't like any of the romances that are available to them.  Because it's impossible to make romance content that appeals to every single person.  Hopefully it's not you, but it might be.  I think that your dismissal of the other women for potential love interests from earlier posts, however, is premature.

 

Especially in a thread that contains something like the following: "It's interesting that apparently both bi and gay companion characters are now mandatory from here on out. Seems a bit forced of forced pandering if you ask me."  (a statement that literally infuriates me)

 

Yes, I can understand that that statement is going to make people upset.  "You're making content for those people?  Jeez it's so forced pandering."  Complete with the implication (or lack of self-awareness) that straight men have been pandered to for so long.  If you were to ask me, the thread was a time bomb the moment that statement got made.  It was inevitable that people were going to come in and be upset about that.  And when people get upset, they're going to be cavalier with their use of the term "you."

 

 

Here's another line: "One gets the feeling that several people are gleefully happy that straight guys aren't happy with their romance options."

 

No, people occasionally have moments of schadenfreude, however, since they've been told several times in the past that they should be grateful for what they got since they aren't the primary demographic.  It's a failure to understand what motivates a comment like that.

 

 

Sera being female only romance wouldnt be a problem if there was a similar character for a m/f romance, but there isnt. It also doesnt help that Sera is the best looking female by far (perhaps not for all but for the appearent majority)

 

m/f options are atm downright bad or meh

 

Problematic.  And I disagree.  It's unfortunate if someone is upset that they can't romance Sera because Sera seems interesting.  But sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.  At this point the best I can suggest is hope that the romances you do get end up being appealing for you, and most importantly: be okay with the realization that they might not be.

 

 

The funny thing is that people seem to think that Sera is the "Betty" type character, but there's no guarantee that she's that.  She could very well be quite headstrong herself.

 

 

So yes, some of the royal you comments might not have been specifically targeted towards you as a person, but I can understand why they made people upset enough to write said posts.  And it's been escalating.

 

 

Haven't yet seen any explicit anger over the reveal of Sera's orientation

 

Well then I guess I did a good job of deleting most of it then....  It's out there, and there's lots and lots of it.  Which started to result in escalation because of schadenfreude, complete with people drawing a picture of Sera drinking from a mug of man tears.  Which tossed more gas on the fire, but I'm disinclined to say that the problem is the people drawing the pictures, but rather those that laid the foundation of being completely unsympathetic towards gay and lesbian gamers in the past.  Including myself (Baldur's Gate 2 times).


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