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[DragonSailor]

I've never done it, since not flirting with either Fenris or Anders throughout the entire game is a task that is simply too hard for me, but I'm curious. Who has and what's he like in a romance? I do like Sebastian (most of the time--his inability to stick to his guns annoys the crap out of me. Of course you should take the throne. Didn't I just play an entire game where I was forced to get involved and become a leader of the city for "the good of the people" or some such nonsense? What makes him immune? But I digress.), but I'm not sure he's a better choice than Fenris or Anders.

[HK-90210]

It depends on what you want out of a romance. If you expect a sex scene, don't bother. Sebastian is chaste, regardless of whether you go friend or rival. You have to not flirt with ANYONE. EVER. Other than Sebastian. Doesn't matter if it's with that elf in the blooming rose, any of your party members, Zevran, just don't do it. You do, Sebastian knows, and he calls you out on it.

 

If you follow through on that, his romance is actually one of the most pleasant ones in a Bioware game. No it's doesn't have a lot of scenes dedicated to it(none,in fact). But if you flirt with a Rival Sebastian, he says that the marriage of the Vicountess of Kirkwall and the Prince of Starkhaven would be the greatest alliance the Free Marches ever saw. And that he will give Hawke "no less than a prince". No, he doesn't kiss you right before the finale, or visit you after Leandra is murdered.

 

But his romance is FULL of places of headcannon. And blissfully free of mage/templar angst that both Anders and Fenris have. Half the reason I have three Hawkes who romance him is that he is very angst-free. You're right, he has his issues with sticking to his guns, but Anders kind of forces him to go to Starkhaven. With no Chantry, where else does he have to go?

 

Plus, my screenshot of Sebastian standing next to my Vicountess Hawke after she puts Meredith down is still one of my favorite moments in gaming.

[Stuff]

Btw, you must kill Anders. And since apparently you like him, this can be hard for you. Oh, and you have to be female. Strictly heterosexual relation.

[congokong]

It's not even a real romance. I've watched it on YouTube; never done it myself. Nothing changes from a platonic relationship except in Act 3 where flirting (after meeting all ridiculous prerequisites) results in him acknowledging some future relationship based on friendship/rivalry.

[renfrees]

I think Carver's comment describes Sebastian's romance the best - "A "chaste marriage." Some invention of yours, no doubt."

[TheMadHarridan]

The strange thing I've discovered about Sebastian is that he doesn't seem to consider female-female relationships legitimate or a threat. I had a FemHawke who romanced Merrill and asked her to move in, as well as a FemHawke who romanced Isabela, and in Act 3 with both relationships he still made the "Princess of Starkhaven" proposal.

 

It seems like he's only threatened by FemHawkes who romanced the boys (as he refused to get involved with my FemHawkes who romanced Fenris and Anders).

[Sir DeLoria]

Yeah, did it once and actually liked it.

I generally don't get the hate many have against him anyway, he was probably one of my favourite companions in DA2.

[Dean_the_Young]

I intend to do it with my next playthrough. It will be a a bit of a cliche as selfish/amoral/greedy Hawke gradually grows a sense of right and wrong because of Sebastian, who she was only rivalmancing in a selfish pursuit of ambition until she actually starts meaning it.

 

It will be quite an experiment in roleplaying. I don't think I've ever seen a RPG character as a would-be gold digger or similarly nakedly materialistic ambition before.

[Ellyria]

I dunno where the "don't flirt, ever" thing comes from because I flirted with Fenris and Anders in Act 1 and Sebastian still proposed in Act 3 since Hawke wasn't in a relationship. *shrugs*

 

Despite his romance being extremely limited and practically nonexistent, I have a healthy, active imagination that can come up with all kinds of delicious headcanon.     

[congokong]

Wow, I didn't know people could get away with flirting or even lesbian relationships and still romance him.

 

@TheMadHarridan

 

Did the flirt option in act 3 not show up for Fenris/Anders romancers? Because I saw that option when my femHawke romanced Isabela and now wonder if there was an option to propose becoming princess of Starkhaven since he was a rival.

 

 

I don't get the hate for him. A lot of people wish they could kill him when he demands Anders' death. I could certainly understand his reaction considering Anders just blew up everything he cared about. Sebastian's quite likable. He's polite and not judgmental. I feared he would be by his description before purchasing his DLC.

 

Nevertheless, I can't see myself romancing him. My Hawke needs to get laid and even if she can pursue him after romancing Merrill/Isabela that would seem wrong. And doesn't it also require siding with the Templars in The Last Straw or is that false?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I think Carver's comment describes Sebastian's romance the best - "A "chaste marriage." Some invention of yours, no doubt."

 

Thank you chaste god.

[berelinde]

I dunno where the "don't flirt, ever" thing comes from because I flirted with Fenris and Anders in Act 1 and Sebastian still proposed in Act 3 since Hawke wasn't in a relationship. *shrugs*

 

Despite his romance being extremely limited and practically nonexistent, I have a healthy, active imagination that can come up with all kinds of delicious headcanon.     

Not sure about Merrill, since I seem to recall her showing up at the mansion even if you only flirt with her once in Act 1, but I know that for the boys, Act 1 flirts don't initiate the romance. In other words, you can flirt with either of them in Act 1 and still romance Sebastian.

[wiccame]

Wow, I didn't know people could get away with flirting or even lesbian relationships and still romance him.

 

@TheMadHarridan

 

Did the flirt option in act 3 not show up for Fenris/Anders romancers? Because I saw that option when my femHawke romanced Isabela and now wonder if there was an option to propose becoming princess of Starkhaven since he was a rival.

 

 

I don't get the hate for him. A lot of people wish they could kill him when he demands Anders' death. I could certainly understand his reaction considering Anders just blew up everything he cared about. Sebastian's quite likable. He's polite and not judgmental. I feared he would be by his description before purchasing his DLC.

 

Nevertheless, I can't see myself romancing him. My Hawke needs to get laid and even if she can pursue him after romancing Merrill/Isabela that would seem wrong. And doesn't it also require siding with the Templars in The Last Straw or is that false?

iirc you can flirt with Sebastian even when you lock in a romance with anyone else, he'll just shut you down by commenting on something like dont you already have some one or something like that.

And you can romance him and still side with the mages. 

 

But his final talk just before battle is a little messed up....no matter if you agree to a chaste marriage or plan to be viscount and marry him as prince, he always says your a good friend, if only we lived in a different time, there could be something between us (or words to that effect) no confirmation of anything other than friendship.

[Ellyria]

Not sure about Merrill, since I seem to recall her showing up at the mansion even if you only flirt with her once in Act 1, but I know that for the boys, Act 1 flirts don't initiate the romance. In other words, you can flirt with either of them in Act 1 and still romance Sebastian.

 

I had Merrill turn up at the manor and told her she was like my sister, which made her bucketsful of happy and it still allowed me to bag the Prince. I'm guessing him turning you down is tied to being locked into a relationship, not casual flirting.

 

...Sheesh, maybe I should stop getting mad when he flirts with my sister.... HAHA, just kidding. Knock it off, Sebastian, she's not trying as hard as I am! 

[TheMadHarridan]

@congokong

 

The flirt option did show up in Act 3 for my Anders and Fenris romances, but when I clicked on it, Sebastian said, "Don't offer what you've already given elsewhere" (or something like that). For my Merrill and Isabela romances, clicking on the flirt option with Seb launched right into the Princess of Starkhaven proposal.

 

As for siding with the mages/Templars, you can do either and still romance Choir Boy. However, you MUST kill Anders. But like Wiccame said, the final talk with him is basically "friend zone," no matter if you got the chaste marriage or the Princess of Starkhaven proposal.

 

My Hawkes can't exclusively romance him either. They'll flirt with him, but they have needs that he just refuses to satisfy.

[Doominike]

EWW, no. For DA:I I hope he either

 

1) not appear in any way

 

2) appears and is killable by the Inquisitor (this would be meta-gaming if not for the fact that both my currently planned Inquisitor would hate him)

 

3) is mentioned as having tried to kill Anders but got turned into a greasy smear and then set on fire by Hawke as a result 

[congokong]

@TheMadHarridan

 

Thanks for the info. After watching the "romance" on YouTube I wouldn't really consider it a real romance. Legacy and MotA may have added a few lines, but isn't the only change between a platonic and romantic relationship that one flirt option in Act 3? As you said, even the final talk is friend-zoned.

[TheMadHarridan]

I believe so. Except for the few extra lines in Legacy and MotA that you mentioned, I believe the flirt line in Act 3 is the only real "romantic" change in the relationship. If you can call becoming a "married" nun or potentially a princess with no guarantee romance.  

 

I don't consider it a real romance either. He's fun to flirt with because he has a tendency to blush and get all flustered like Alistair did in DAO, but that's about all I can stand when it comes to "romancing" him. If anything, he seems much more suited to be with Bethany than Hawke. I think she could handle the "chaste marriage" thing, while the thought of it gives my Hawke the creeps. 

[congokong]

Bethany is dead in most of my playthroughs so that can't happen. lol If alive she would be more suitable since she, like Leliana, never shuts up about the Maker.

[Dutchess]

I tried to romance him once but it failed. I was playing an archer myself so I didn't bring him along often enough to max his friendship, haha. Not much of a loss, though. There's simply not enough content there to make it worth it, and I really wish it would be otherwise because I love Sebastian's intro scene. He looked so badass! The flirt lines are also really, really horrible. I don't know if the last ones are better, but I have used a lot of them and they all made Hawke sound like a perv at best and desperate at worst. She even offered herself as a one-night stand when Sebastian said he had vowed to take no bride or something along those lines. Look, playing a character that is fine with casual sex like Isabela is perfectly fine if I actually want to play that, but I really do not appreciate that my Hawke gets forced into that. That these horny flirts eventually cultivate in a chaste marriage makes the whole matter even worse.

It's a shame there is so little to his romance and either ends in a chaste marriage or a political one, where he acts like he hates you. I think there was a lot of potential for conflict here, between his vows to the Chantry and his love and desire for Hawke. Maybe that with rivalry it would end up in him choosing to be a prince and get physical with you, and with friendship Hawke understands the value of his vows and agrees to be chaste or something.

[sylvanaerie]

I tried to romance him once but it failed. I was playing an archer myself so I didn't bring him along often enough to max his friendship, haha. Not much of a loss, though. There's simply not enough content there to make it worth it, and I really wish it would be otherwise because I love Sebastian's intro scene. He looked so badass! The flirt lines are also really, really horrible. I don't know if the last ones are better, but I have used a lot of them and they all made Hawke sound like a perv at best and desperate at worst. She even offered herself as a one-night stand when Sebastian said he had vowed to take no bride or something along those lines. Look, playing a character that is fine with casual sex like Isabela is perfectly fine if I actually want to play that, but I really do not appreciate that my Hawke gets forced into that. That these horny flirts eventually cultivate in a chaste marriage makes the whole matter even worse.

It's a shame there is so little to his romance and either ends in a chaste marriage or a political one, where he acts like he hates you. I think there was a lot of potential for conflict here, between his vows to the Chantry and his love and desire for Hawke. Maybe that with rivalry it would end up in him choosing to be a prince and get physical with you, and with friendship Hawke understands the value of his vows and agrees to be chaste or something.

 

I wish it had been like this.  His intro was pretty badass and includes my favorite music from Origins (Cousland Castle).  And altering the two viewpoints would have been an interesting take on it.  As it is, it feels incomplete and unfulfilled, and you get no different reaction from him at the end conversation regardless of what you did.  As long as he's just one of your companions, he feels fully integrated and a 'friend', but trying to go any further than that just muddled the issue too much.  Having the sibling along in the DLC's with a romanced Sebastian added way too little far too late to the story, though Bethany has some cute lines.

 

A shame, I love his voice, he was pretty easy on the eyes, and I felt there was a lot of potential there that just ...well, Bioware dropped the ball on this one, sadly.  A pity since our only other hetero options as a female were two damaged individuals who never shut up about mages.

 

Frankly, if Varric had been an option, i'd have opted for the suave dwarf and told the psychos to take a hike.

[Lorien19]

Sebastian had a very interesting potential as a character,despite being a dlc...To be honest I'd like to see him again in Inquisition and find out what happened to him and Starkhaven(a destination I wanted to visit badly btw).

[DragonSailor]

 

A shame, I love his voice, he was pretty easy on the eyes, and I felt there was a lot of potential there that just ...well, Bioware dropped the ball on this one, sadly.  A pity since our only other hetero options as a female were two damaged individuals who never shut up about mages.

 

Which is exactly why I wanted to know what romancing him was like. I think he could have offered a nice contrast and added a different element to the game. I don't know that going through most of the game for one or two different lines is really worth it when you compare the complexities and depths of Fenris' and Anders' romances though. I definitely don't want to end the game with the feeling that two characters that I just put hours into getting together don't really seem to care all that much about being together/each other. 

 

Sebastian had a very interesting potential as a character,despite being a dlc...To be honest I'd like to see him again in Inquisition and find out what happened to him and Starkhaven(a destination I wanted to visit badly btw).

Me too. I was always a bit disappointed that we didn't get to go to Starkhaven or meet more people from there. I was sure that somebody else over there wanted to see the original line restored. Sebastian's quests always seemed a little shallow to me in that regard and I suppose that's part of the reason why I get upset with him for changing his mind--it's a cop out that prevents anyone from getting out of stupid kirkwall.

[Melbella]

If you follow through on that, his romance is actually one of the most pleasant ones in a Bioware game. No it's doesn't have a lot of scenes dedicated to it(none,in fact). But if you flirt with a Rival Sebastian, he says that the marriage of the Vicountess of Kirkwall and the Prince of Starkhaven would be the greatest alliance the Free Marches ever saw. And that he will give Hawke "no less than a prince". No, he doesn't kiss you right before the finale, or visit you after Leandra is murdered.

That's really it?    Well, I guess I didn't screw it up then when I picked the heart option when I gave Fenris the Book of Shartan. I thought maybe that nullified the Seb romance, but I guess not since I got all those dialogues in Act 3.

[CDTheBookMan]

I was going to say you can't "Romance" Sebastian: He's celibate and won't lay it down even for Hawke.  Bethany flirts with him during the DLC quests if you bring her with you, but it can't go further than simply flirting.