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[LemurFromTheId]

Wut? No warp rounds?

Aedolon pls

 

Warp rounds aren't really worth it without a proper area primer... but still a good choice.

[Deerber]

Warp rounds aren't really worth it without a proper area primer... but still a good choice.

 

I'd go warp ammo + HVB and just warp and murder the sheet out of any boss I find XD

[capn233]

You can get away with AR Piercing if you want a little boost on CD.

[me0120]

I agree with most of your points but I disagree with your last sentence. The Juggy has lot more than that: it has sync kill immunity, portable RHA, portable shield restore, geth weapon bonus, height advantage. All of them favours a weapons platform playstyle.

 

Sync kill immunity, portable RHA, and portable shield restore are all things that help you sustain damage. I didn't mention the Geth weapons bonus, so you are right on that account. IMO height advantage has never been something I've considered an advantage, It doesn't make things easier to kill considering most characters and enemies have the same head height.

 

You have not played with shadow, have you? BTW, as far as I know he has no recording software atm, at least he did not record anything in the past few hundred games we played together. So, probably this old record is all what he has atm. 

 

 

It is there to show his time and involvement in the game, that is all.

 

Nope. I've never ever played the Shadow before. Not a single time in my life. 

I can understand him not having recording software but putting a Geth Trooper video up does nothing for his cause but sidetrack it.

 

I will rephrase that last part then. No one cares in the least bit about when he maxed his manifest, especially when you consider one of the best players here (NightSlasher) didn't start playing until after support ended.

[LawShadow]

Sync kill immunity, portable RHA, and portable shield restore are all things that help you sustain damage. I didn't mention the Geth weapons bonus, so you are right on that account. IMO height advantage has never been something I've considered an advantage, It doesn't make things easier to kill considering most characters and enemies have the same head height.

 

 

Nope. I've never ever played the Shadow before. Not a single time in my life. 

I can understand him not having recording software but putting a Geth Trooper video up does nothing for his cause but sidetrack it.

 

I will rephrase that last part then. No one cares in the least bit about when he maxed his manifest, especially when you consider one of the best players here (NightSlasher) didn't start playing until after support ended.

 

The video i posted was for the OP i also clearly stated that the playstyle showed in my video is almost the same as i would do with the Juggy the choice of weapon is the Spitfire a weapon that suites the juggy well notice i have no need to engage in close combat i pretty much was stationary in a particular spot unless i was needed for objectives. Another reason is to give Juggy players who want to improve their offensive playstyle with a juggy and Spitfire. Yes the GT does more damage with the Spitfire due to his HM but...this can be compansated with Siege pulse and an offensive turret together with either incidiary ammo or AP rounds slap in a Power amplyfier 3 or 4 to gain 30 to 50% extra damage for both siege pulse and turret.

 

You mention my manifest this was by no means to show off it was mentioned because i put time and effort in that game to actually know the game mechanics and besides from the very start the Juggy was released ive been playing him making me definatley a person who knows what he is talking about. Thats why i mentioned my manifest in that video of mine.

 

What did you do? Do you actualy  play a juggy as shown in that excellent video of another poster scoring 190k he pretty much destroyed everything on his path with the Juggy a score generaly reserved for infiltrators....imo if he used an offensive turret he probably would score 220k or more...

 

People have no idea how utterly insane the Juggy can be in the RIGHT hands people just complain after 2 or 3 tries and say nah he is lacking in the offensive...

Just as people complain about the Spitfire the spitfire is a weapon that pretty much mows down enemies.

 

Or as RTK rightfully said a Crusader another weapon that has had negative reviews lol....on the juggy its well fantastic.

 

Maybe i will make a video with the juggy ie ofensive turret + Spitfire and Lancer thing is the amount of work rendering and uploading to youtube is to much work at he current state.

 

Funny that there is hardly any feedback from N7_SP3CTR3 video except from one or 2 people....clearly it shows that the Juggy owns in the right hands.

[LawShadow]

Then you'll have to show me sometime  Add me to friends if you're up to it. Same name as in the forum.

 

Good il show you in regards of your statement which is utterly wrong:

 

---I'm not saying to use only the Harrier neither, if it's for the sake of diversity. I've seen people kick ass with the Saber, Valkyrie, Typhoon, ADAS, Lancel, Particle Rifle, Phaeston...even the Argus. But not the Spitfire.---

 

Spitfire and GPR regardless of the class i pick hope your on the PC.....if you want to accept my inv that is...and show me your Juggy if you can actually play him right? Just a friendly competition

[Kurt M.]

Good il show you in regards of your statement which is utterly wrong:

 

---I'm not saying to use only the Harrier neither, if it's for the sake of diversity. I've seen people kick ass with the Saber, Valkyrie, Typhoon, ADAS, Lancel, Particle Rifle, Phaeston...even the Argus. But not the Spitfire.---

 

Spitfire and GPR hope your on the PC.....

 

I wasn't referring to you, but...you're welcome anyway Yes, I'm on PC.

[me0120]

The video i posted was for the OP i also clearly stated that the playstyle showed in my video is almost the same as i would do with the Juggy the choice of weapon is the Spitfire a weapon that suites the juggy well notice i have no need to engage in close combat i pretty much was stationary in a particular spot unless i was needed for objectives. Another reason is to give Juggy players who want to improve their offensive playstyle with a juggy and Spitfire. Yes the GT does more damage with the Spitfire due to his HM but...this can be compansated with Siege pulse and an offensive turret together with either incidiary ammo or AP rounds slap in a Power amplyfier 3 or 4 to gain 30 to 50% extra damage for both siege pulse and turret.

 

You mention my manifest this was by no means to show off it was mentioned because i put time and effort in that game to actually know the game mechanics and besides from the very start the Juggy was released ive been playing him making me definatley a person who knows what he is talking about. Thats why i mentioned my manifest in that video of mine.

 

Yeah I usually show people how good the Drell Adept is by giving them a Drell Vanguard video and saying, "it's like that, minus the different playstyle and weapon damage output."

 

Manifests are completely unrelated to how good someone is with a particular character. This is a laughable argument.

 

 

What did you do? Do you actualy  play a juggy as shown in that excellent video of another poster scoring 190k he pretty much destroyed everything on his path with the Juggy a score generaly reserved for infiltrators....imo if he used an offensive turret he probably would score 220k or more...

 

People have no idea how utterly insane the Juggy can be in the RIGHT hands people just complain after 2 or 3 tries and say nah he is lacking in the offensive...

Just as people complain about the Spitfire the spitfire is a weapon that pretty much mows down enemies.

 

Or as RTK rightfully said a Crusader another weapon that has had negative reviews lol....on the juggy its well fantastic.

 

Maybe i will make a video with the juggy ie ofensive turret + Spitfire and Lancer thing is the amount of work rendering and uploading to youtube is to much work at he current state.

 

I've done a couple plat solos with the Juggy just for the hell of it. I can score around 190k with just about anything I use, Juggy included.

 

Also, the Crusader is well regarded now after all the buffs it received.

[megabeast37215]

Me0: The height advantage is an advantage if you use it as such. There are several spots throughout the game that only the Juggy can see over. He can headglitch these spots the same way others use RHA. For instance, on Ghost right as you exit the LZ.. there is that path looking down into the pit with that building spawn dead ahead. To the right of that path is a box only Juggy can peer over.. looking right into the spawn. There's spots like that everywhere..

..and when people say tankiness is an advantage they're referring to it from a sustained DPS perspective. He who does not have to retreat can continue to do damage. Juggy is all about sustained DPS.. this is why the Spitfire was tailor made for him.. because it is incredible at sustaining its ramped DPS.

[q5tyhj]

I don't see the problem in posting a video where you use a weapon with one kit, and then go on to say "ok, do the same thing only with this other kit". Then again, I'm not sure how necessary it is to post a video demonstrating Spitfire gameplay in the first place, since as the poster himself has more or less admitted, it pretty much consists in standing in one place and spraying everything with your gun. 

[me0120]

Me0: The height advantage is an advantage if you use it as such. There are several spots throughout the game that only the Juggy can see over. He can headglitch these spots the same way others use RHA. For instance, on Ghost right as you exit the LZ.. there is that path looking down into the pit with that building spawn dead ahead. To the right of that path is a box only Juggy can peer over.. looking right into the spawn. There's spots like that everywhere..

..and when people say tankiness is an advantage they're referring to it from a sustained DPS perspective. He who does not have to retreat can continue to do damage. Juggy is all about sustained DPS.. this is why the Spitfire was tailor made for him.. because it is incredible at sustaining its ramped DPS.

 

But these spots are just like RHA which every other character also has. He gains as many height advantage spots as he loses RHA spots because enemies can shoot over obstacles that are short enough to show him but not other characters (one of my favorites being the crate on Glacier). This argument is a wash. I have no clue who you are talking to in your second part.

[Turian Master Race]

I've done a couple plat solos with the Juggy just for the hell of it. I can score around 190k with just about anything I use, Juggy included.

 

 

 

Then why don't you help the OP with builds, loadouts and advice?

 

Also, I am very well aware of the plat solo HoF, and I do respect your skill but you are not being very helpful here.

[me0120]

Then why don't you help the OP with builds, loadouts and advice?

 

Also, I am very well aware of the plat solo HoF, and I do respect your skill but you are not being very helpful here.

 

I appreciate that, thank you.

 

As for this thread...

I was the second person to post in the thread and I told the OP that the Juggernaut would be best utilized if he incorporated Siege Pulse into the build. From then on people started posting different builds and the OP has been given plenty of information and a lot of different things to try. I didn't feel like he would need me reiterating the same things that other people have said. My comments after my first post were 1) Why post a Geth Trooper video to say how the Juggernaut will be used while saying the Juggernaut would be used differently, and 2) I don't think the definition of a weapon platform is having high shields and being a soldier. I never argued against LawShadow's builds and I never questioned his skill.

 

Let me just say this again, I haven't given the OP any more advice because he has already been given great advice, and I never argued against the builds that have been suggested.

[LawShadow]

I wasn't referring to you, but...you're welcome anyway Yes, I'm on PC.

 

Well those where some ggs on plat hopefully your more convinced of the Juggy + Spitfire...as stated in my previous posts about the offensive juggy playstyle.

[Kurt M.]

Well those where some ggs on plat hopefully your more convinced of the Juggy + Spitfire...as stated in my previous posts about the offensive juggy playstyle.

 

As I said over the chat....I'm still unconvinced.

 

The Spitfire is a decent sustained-fire kind of gun. But that's all it has. I can think of at least 3 assault rifles which would beat the time it took you to beat, let's say, an Atlas armor bar: The Harrier, the Saber and the Typhoon.

 

If those three weapons didn't existed (especially the Typhoon), then I'd agree the Spitfire is pretty OP. But having them....sorry, but anyone used to them would beat any Spitfire veteran any time. I mean, I DID killed Atlases faster than you, and I "discovered" the Saber about a week ago...

[LawShadow]

As I said over the chat....I'm still unconvinced.

 

The Spitfire is a decent sustained-fire kind of gun. But that's all it has. I can think of at least 3 assault rifles which would beat the time it took you to beat, let's say, an Atlas armor bar: The Harrier, the Saber and the Typhoon.

 

If those three weapons didn't existed (especially the Typhoon), then I'd agree the Spitfire is pretty OP. But having them....sorry, but anyone used to them would beat any Spitfire veteran any time. I mean, I DID killed Atlases faster than you, and I "discovered" the Saber about a week ago...

 

Hang on you didnt killed atlases faster then me

 

"I DID killed Atlases faster than you, and I "discovered" the Saber about a week ago..."... if that was true how come you finished 4th?

 

 

as stated if you saw the kill feed you would see allot of spitfire kills im not goint to share your scores here but this would have without a doubt say something about the effectiveness of the spitfire. At our second plat run i had to compete with a GI infiltrator + Javelin and he didnt came close to my GT + Spitfire as you requested to see the spitfire only in action (no powers) which i did. Both my Juggy and GT scored the same approx 162k on plat. Going back to the Juggy plus turret ive made my case. Lots of fire explosions and kills it could have been even better with a Lancer on a Juggy since that would mean Siege pulse spam to no end.

 

The sustained fire comes very much in handy while using a high shielded class which the \juggy and GT are besides i have been using the Harrier many times on both classes and it doesnt come near a Spitfire in regards of sustained dps without the need of reloading another plus is using AP ammo 4 not only can you kill the frontal enemy but also all that is behind it....The Thypoon only drawaback in comparison with the Spitfire is its ammo clip and its ramp up time which the spitfire suffers also from but the bigger clip makes up for it. And again ive used the Thypoon many times on the GT after long play im convinced the Spitfire on a flamerless GT is the best option (for me) in regards of assault rifles. It trully deserves its ultra rare status its one of the finest assault riffles on classes who can handle it obviously a Spitfire has no business on an adapt or many other classes it wont shine...

 

The saber is a fine assault/sniper weapon no doubt about it but imo there are better alternatives. But this is personal preference. I no longer touch the Saber anymore except for giggles.

 

Your qoute

 

"but anyone used to them would beat any Spitfire veteran any time."

 

Lets put that up for a test shall we? You may inv a potent player who is good with said weapons or since your the one who mentions it why dont you show it? Since you have these weapons at X...right?.

[LemurFromTheId]

The Spitfire is a decent sustained-fire kind of gun. But that's all it has. I can think of at least 3 assault rifles which would beat the time it took you to beat, let's say, an Atlas armor bar: The Harrier, the Saber and the Typhoon.

 

"Decent"? Spitfire is an excellent sustained-fire weapon. And with good ammo it beats Saber against armor (and against shields and barriers it isn't even a contest). Saber's still the better weapon in general, though.

 

The weapon you forgot to mention is PPR.

[Deerber]

Me0: The height advantage is an advantage if you use it as such. There are several spots throughout the game that only the Juggy can see over. He can headglitch these spots the same way others use RHA. For instance, on Ghost right as you exit the LZ.. there is that path looking down into the pit with that building spawn dead ahead. To the right of that path is a box only Juggy can peer over.. looking right into the spawn. There's spots like that everywhere..
 

 

While I understand that that can be used to your advantage, it's not really like a RHA though, is it? I mean, enemies can still shoot your head... Can't they?

 

"Decent"? Spitfire is an excellent sustained-fire weapon. And with good ammo it beats Saber against armor (and against shields and barriers it isn't even a contest). Saber's still the better weapon in general, though.

 

The weapon you forgot to mention is PPR.

 

He also forgot to mention the High Lord

[megabeast37215]

While I understand that that can be used to your advantage, it's not really like a RHA though, is it? I mean, enemies can still shoot your head... Can't they?
 

Nope. Even if they could.. lol10billion shields.

[LemurFromTheId]

He also forgot to mention the High Lord

 

Well, we were talking about assault rifles... but you make a compelling point, the High Lord definitely makes a better assault rifle than most assault rifles.

[TheNightSlasher]

Well, we were talking about assault rifles... but you make a compelling point, the High Lord definitely makes a better assault rifle than most assault rifles.

Not the saber.

 

Muh saber   

[Kurt M.]

"I DID killed Atlases faster than you, and I "discovered" the Saber about a week ago..."... if that was true how come you finished 4th?

 

Because I still relatively suck with the TGI-Saber? (remember: only one week or so with it). Cos it was my 1st Plat game ever? Cos it was the 1st time against all bosses from the four factions in one place? Cos I had lag in addition to all that? I think I already stated so. And that battle wasn't only against Atlases, you know.

 

In fact, I'm amazed I didn't ended with a ridiculous score compared to the 3rd one...

 

"Decent"? Spitfire is an excellent sustained-fire weapon. And with good ammo it beats Saber against armor (and against shields and barriers it isn't even a contest). Saber's still the better weapon in general, though.

 

The weapon you forgot to mention is PPR.

 

I just hope you include that "good ammo" to the Saber, too. With incendiary/piercing rounds IV I can also finish an Atlas with half a magazine...¬¬

[Deerber]

Well, we were talking about assault rifles... but you make a compelling point, the High Lord definitely makes a better assault rifle than most assault rifles.

 

Glad we understand each other

 

Nope. Even if they could.. lol10billion shields.

 

Uh... That's weird. You sure they can't hit you in the head? Lol Bioware... But yeah, it wouldn't make much difference of course.

[megabeast37215]

Well, we were talking about assault rifles... but you make a compelling point, the High Lord definitely makes a better assault rifle than most assault rifles.

You guys make a much cuter couple than Deerber and Kislitsin.. or Sinful Force and myself.

[Deerber]

 

I just hope you include that "good ammo" to the Saber, too. With incendiary/piercing rounds IV I can also finish an Atlas with half a magazine...¬¬

 

Uh? Maybe on a GI...